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On May 10 2011 17:50 arbitrageur wrote:
FOR ALL those people saying the model makes sense, WHY does it make sense? It makes no sense. You're not weighting for a SUPER-GOOD Code S player vs an extremely marginal Code S player. You're not accounting for one of the best players in the world who had an off day and got into Code A vs some not good player who scraped into Code A via relatively lucky brackets who is in actual fact a marginal Code B player.
Further, this specification purports to estimate who the best teams are. IM's previous performance in GSTL1 and 2 make me extremely doubtful with respect to external validity of this model.
Hopefully the korean fans make a big enough fuss about this situation, GOM doesnt listen to us
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to be honest I think IM is a bit overrated, although they did well in both GSTL, their players are not as good as they seem. In general I feel SC2 matches require quite a lot of luck and mind games as opposed to SC1, that is why all these champions of past seasons are so inconsistent dropping to up & down and also losing in NASL or TSLs etc etc. Everything is so centered on builds, it is like 1 build hard counters another (same as units), and once you go the wrong tech route or prepared the unfortunate one, it is hard to win. In SC1, it is more like "any tech path if played well can still prevail", more so than SC2 at least.
With that said, it is not surprising at all that IM did not qualify.
*This is not to say I do not like watching or anything, I happen to watch all vods of GSL/GSTL with the premium ticket (so I know what I am talking about) And it is quite exciting with the luck involved, but also heartbreaking when people I like lose to some underdogs.
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shame no IM. two time finalist and have provided great games. gom might give to many points for code A or something or too little for code S. maybe expand the league, or wait until up and downs are over to calculate points.
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to be honest I think IM is a bit overrated
I'm afraid all the evidence sorely disagrees with you. I wonder what the p-value is that their incredible performance in both GSTLs is a fluke. Probably unimaginably low.
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On May 10 2011 17:55 kvn4444 wrote:
shame no IM. two time finalist and have provided great games.
pretty much everyone has stated my only thoughts on this. only posting myself to repeat this sentiment because i know GOM communicates through TL.net a lot and they can see just how many "foreign" fans love seeing IM members play and are disappointed by them not qualifying for this.
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Looking forward to this. GSTL is by far the best tournament.
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I don't understand the hate on GOM nor the rules... sure no ruling is perfect but you gots to have something right?
Also, I don't want to believe that the IM stars want the rules to be tweaked to "get" them in.
p.s : I like the underdog story much like in season 2. XD
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Ignoring IM is fine, they have to have rules for how you qualify for a team league and no matter what rules they decide on, someone will be left out and people will complain.
And the greatest thing about team leagues is that you get to see previously unknown non-GSL players kick ass, and MVP have never shown off any of their unknowns before so I'm looking forward to seeing them there. 
Oh, and new map looks pretty cool, looks like a siege-tank map but that's fine and maybe it's bigger than it looks.
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Sure it´s sad that IM isn´t there but honestly the rules are pretty good imo. IM should work on getting some more players in code S and A.
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IM had a lot of people going up to Code A this season, but they got a bit unlucky with the brackets unlike these MVP players who had quite an easy run into Code A. People like Seed and Yonghwa got eliminated by Min and Ryung. So really tough luck for IM this season :/
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Startale will win this one.
Why? Cause OGs always looses the first round. And those who win against them go on and win the whole tournament. Im sorry oGs. And sure its sad that IM wont be participating 
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Gogo slayers!! Hope they kick ass, though I can not see them lose with their awesome coach lol!
Rofl at IM not being there, but the yeh its the system that's used since beginning so fair enough. Guess they need to have some more kick ass players (next season they should be there again though)
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Everyone seems to be discussing about the IM situation...
Look at that awesome map, 2 free expos :D
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IM didn't have enough players qualify, so they're out -- seems perfectly reasonable to me. They'd be totally fucked if this wasn't WL format, anyway.
Ideally though, they'd add another day to the league and let 7, 8, 9, and 10 play eachother in the first round, giving byes to the first 6 teams, in order to include IM and NSH. If Liquid and WEM had more than 3 guys on their teams then they could play too. :p
This new map looks beautiful, can't wait to see games on it.
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I think the method is fine except finalists should be seeded back in, in future =]
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noring IM is fine, they have to have rules for how you qualify for a team league and no matter what rules they decide on, someone will be left out.
You totally miss the point of everything.
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Who knows maybe oGs will finally decide to show up and not lose in their 1st round this time.
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On May 10 2011 17:54 thesums wrote:
to be honest I think IM is a bit overrated
So Tasteless And Artosis say IM are the best SC2 team and you say they are overrated? 3 players in their team are probly in the top 5 players in the GSL....
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That new map looks so cool ! Time for hollydays!
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On May 10 2011 18:18 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 17:54 thesums wrote:
to be honest I think IM is a bit overrated So Tasteless And Artosis say IM are the best SC2 team and you say they are overrated? 3 players in their team are probly in the top 5 players in the GSL....
Not agreeing with thesums because I also believe IM is the best team in the world.. but I can kind of see what he means. They have 2 world class players + 1 impressive up and comer but beyond that no one else has really made any noise.
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