On May 03 2011 17:20 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
So you can scout the entire map by simply going to the middle and doing the line trick to each of the mains?

no, you should have straight line to check: from ramp to minerals. Sometimes this line is pretty long for expansions on some maps (i.e. Xel'naga Fortress).

GhostFall

United States830 Posts

May 03 2011 08:57 GMT

#145

knowing whether or not an expansion is up is huge.

FoFo

Netherlands207 Posts

May 03 2011 10:57 GMT

#146

incredible find! i think wether or not bliz patches this out (and there's no doubt they can) is up to the koreans lol, we'll see soon enough weather or not this is a problem.

Vorenius

Denmark1979 Posts

May 03 2011 11:22 GMT

#147

Why on earth does people want this to be fixed?
A) It's the same for everyone.
B) It's a very little issue that woud probably require quite a bit of work to be 'fixed'. I'd rather have them doing something else with their time.

The most useful useage of this imo is checking for expansions. On Xel'Naga Caverns, Delta Quadrant, Metalopolis and Shattered Temple you can get a straigth path to the natural from the center of the map. In addition, on Shattered Temple you can see when the rocks to the third base for your opponent goes down.

On all 4player maps you can now scout their starting location without letting them see your probe. I guess that helps with canon rushing and proxy gate/rax, but maybe that will teach people to scout their base.

Bswhunter

Australia954 Posts

May 03 2011 11:25 GMT

#148

Tbh if u need a straight line without any obsticales for the trick to work, this could be patched out simply by mapmaking.

niteReloaded

Croatia5282 Posts

May 03 2011 11:52 GMT

#149

Incredible find, but the voice was gross and creepy.

Gridline

United States41 Posts

May 03 2011 11:57 GMT

#150

sooo.. I understand it has to be a straight line to work but.. could someone not choose a spot in the center to always start their units waypoint, make the rallys and memorize the lines when the bases are empty and when they're not, there would always be some kind of deviation from the norm.

With a little memorization could it not be used to insta scout?

Gridline

United States41 Posts

May 03 2011 12:04 GMT

#151

Just checked, no it doesn't work that way.

I'm dumb, please carry on.

me_viet

Australia1350 Posts

May 03 2011 12:09 GMT

#152

lol this can easily be fixed, if not made much harder by removing the shift-queue line and just put markers there.

Also, it's not that big of a deal for zerg imo, ppls have always been scouting zerg creep and then retreating to plant proxies already. You scout it like any other proxy; their base, or with oves/worker around base.

TLDR: Cool trick, shouldn't be patched out completely, not as big of a deal as people think at first.

Qntc.YuMe

United States792 Posts

May 03 2011 13:34 GMT

#153

really amazed how people can find exploits so easily

zende

Sweden234 Posts

May 03 2011 13:37 GMT

#154

Cool man, needs to be fixed though. Cannon rushes....... =((

Phinix

United States116 Posts

May 03 2011 14:07 GMT

#155

Whoaa... sneaky!

Uhnno

Netherlands288 Posts

May 03 2011 14:10 GMT

#156

I just checked out of curiosity whether the rock trick worked with normal units too. And to no surprise it did. So it's a very nice little trick to use in specific situations. Like you can check whether the rocks are down very easily and with little effort at all.

ABXG

Canada16 Posts

May 03 2011 14:11 GMT

#157

The easy "fix" to this would be to base pathing only on visible structures. Update pathing when new structures are visible.

Deleted User 101379

4849 Posts

May 03 2011 14:21 GMT

#158

On May 02 2011 23:18 Talho wrote:
Program wise this might be very hard to fix without bugging other pathfinding stuff :/

I don't think it would be hard. There is already a "map state" on the client side. The pathfinding just needs to use that, instead of the map itself.

I don't think it will be fixed very soon however, as i don't think that it will effectively change much. You can't scout the opponents position without being very close to it anyways. We will definatly not see it used in any pro games.