EPTMC: "[Flash] would definitely do well in SC2" - Page 27
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Mente
United States288 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 24 2011 20:28 Longshank wrote: Such a stupid and hypothetical discussion. Flash would probably do well in SC2 but if anything we've seen that skills in one game doesn't magically transfer over to the next. Tyler was apparently the shit in foreign BW but in Sc2 he's struggling to produce any results, Grubby and Moon would beat Naniwa and Kas with one hand in Wc3 but in Sc2 it's a different story. Until Flash actually switches all you guys are just coming with a various degree of uneducated guesses. Ignorance is bliss. If you weren't aware there are many other variables in play as to why NonY/Tyler has been under performing. There is a correlation between certain aspects of games whether you like it or not. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:13 Mente wrote: starcraft 2 is more about who has the better counter to the build than who has better micro, macro and strategy, apm and game sense that you see in bw. Flash and JD would have to have quite a few games under their belts before they understood that concept for the early/mid game. But late game no matter what version of sc they played I'm sure they'd do exceedingly well just because they have everything they need from bw. Actually that's why SC2 would be perfect for Flash. -_- He has perfect expansion timing, perfect attack timing, perfect defense, perfect unit composition. His builds when he 3:0'd Jaedong were all two base timing attacks, where Jaedong seemed to just have no units and Flash would have the exact unit composition to counter whatever Jaedong had. It was like a hard counter composition on top of a hard counter strategy. Flash would just send a big ball of units and lose almost nothing, but Jaedong would lose all his units and bases in one attack, it happened 3 times in a row. It seriously looked like Flash had god-mode & insta-gib hacks on. Sounds a lot like SC2 right? | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:34 sluggaslamoo wrote: Actually that's why SC2 would be perfect for Flash. -_- His specialty is perfect expansion timing, perfect attack timing, perfect defense, perfect unit composition. More like... perfect everything. | ||
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Zeiryuu
Philippines231 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:41 Zeiryuu wrote: Flash would do well in SC2. BW and SC2 really aren't that much different. BUT, we need to see Flash actually play to say whether or not he will DOMINATE SC2. Flash in his peak only slept 3 hours a night, the skin on his wrists were worn off as you could see in his photos, his team mates would force him to stop playing because his fingers would bleed from overuse, and even claimed he had achieved "enlightenment". Compared to Nestea, he is on a completely different level. | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:44 sluggaslamoo wrote: Flash in his peak only slept 3 hours a night, the skin on his wrists were worn off as you could see in his photos, his team mates would force him to stop playing because his fingers would bleed from overuse, and even claimed he had achieved "enlightenment". Compared to Nestea, he is on a completely different level. Please tell me you're exaggerating. That sounds disgusting. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Niklai
289 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:47 Ezze wrote: Please tell me you're exaggerating. That sounds disgusting. disgusting? it sounds like perfect passion  | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:50 FeyFey wrote: since we have to wait atleast a few years on this I don't think there is need for a discussion, just my opinion. Well you could all put together and pay him a nice salary so he would switch xD. If i would be mean i would probably say something like he would dominate if he would play toss ;P. No one knows if he'll switch or not, because at the moment playing SC1 is more lucrative. There's no doubt in my mind the likes of Flash/Jaedong/Bisu will rise to the top very fast if they make the switch. And I really hope they do because they will raise substantially raise the level of SC2 in the long run, because in order to compete with them you'll need to practice as much as they do. For those guys who want some evidence, refer to the numbers posted in the recent article that showed players stats in the proleague: Flash: 402-155 (72.17%) Jaedong: 435-205 (67.97%) Bisu: 340-180 (65.38%) MC: 1-9 (10.00%) MVP: 30-46 (39.47%) Nestea: 11-21 (34.38%) Flash, JD and Bisu were just that much better at SC1 than the current top players in the SC2 scene. They aren't the best only because of their outstanding mechanics, but because of game sense and timing, as well. | ||
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Mente
United States288 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:34 sluggaslamoo wrote: Actually that's why SC2 would be perfect for Flash. -_- He has perfect expansion timing, perfect attack timing, perfect defense, perfect unit composition. His builds when he 3:0'd Jaedong were all two base timing attacks, where Jaedong seemed to just have no units and Flash would have the exact unit composition to counter whatever Jaedong had. It was like a hard counter composition on top of a hard counter strategy. Flash would just send a big ball of units and lose almost nothing, but Jaedong would lose all his units and bases in one attack, it happened 3 times in a row. It seriously looked like Flash had god-mode & insta-gib hacks on. Sounds a lot like SC2 right? Yes I do agree: having units is a hard counter to not having units but that's applicable to all games, not just starcraft.... What series are you even talking about anyway? | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 27 2011 11:15 Mente wrote: Yes I do agree: having units is a hard counter to not having units but that's applicable to all games, not just starcraft.... What series are you even talking about anyway? Hana Daetoo MSL Grand Final where Flash went 14CC every game and won the first 3 games of a Bo5. Every single game the game was decided in a single 2 base push, which is what happens in the majority of SC2 games, and which is why so many people don't like Flash  . This is obviously much more powerful in SC2, but the irony is that he can do this at the top level in BW.This one Flash did a marine + medic + valkyrie against muta ling. Valkyrie is a hard counter to muta, and critical mass of bio would just melt the lings and Flash would simply not lose any units (except maybe 2 valkyrie to scourge). | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:13 Mente wrote: starcraft 2 is more about who has the better counter to the build than who has better micro, macro and strategy, apm and game sense that you see in bw. Flash and JD would have to have quite a few games under their belts before they understood that concept for the early/mid game. But late game no matter what version of sc they played I'm sure they'd do exceedingly well just because they have everything they need from bw. I don't think you realize how good JD/Flash actually are. Just for reference...MC/Nestea were shit/unheard of in BW, July/Boxer/Nada were way past their expiration dates before SC2 was even released, and most of these top level SC2 players who came from BW were B-teamers (i.e. probably barely made any money) from BW. There are a couple of War3 players in the Korean scene I believe but the majority of players are from BW. A couple of people mentioned Nony or other players like Grubby/Moon who aren't doing well. For reference, considering Nony is now married and all that, I know for SURE he isn't playing as much as he did in his BW days. Grubby started SC2 what....4-5 months ago? 7 max? I know he started a bit late. Moon I have no idea about tbh. Back to the point, Flash/JD literally would stomp these players on a regular basis in BW...considering how MC/Nestea's skills have transferred I would say Flash/JD's skills would transfer even better. Their sense of RTS is so high it's honestly incomprehensible... | ||
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MH_Gunner
200 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:44 sluggaslamoo wrote: Flash in his peak only slept 3 hours a night, the skin on his wrists were worn off as you could see in his photos, his team mates would force him to stop playing because his fingers would bleed from overuse, and even claimed he had achieved "enlightenment". Compared to Nestea, he is on a completely different level. Also you should add that he is only 18 y.o kid . | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On May 28 2011 15:49 sluggaslamoo wrote: Hana Daetoo MSL Grand Final where Flash went 14CC every game and won the first 3 games of a Bo5. Every single game the game was decided in a single 2 base push, which is what happens in the majority of SC2 games, and which is why so many people don't like Flash . This is obviously much more powerful in SC2, but the irony is that he can do this at the top level in BW.This one Flash did a marine + medic + valkyrie against muta ling. Valkyrie is a hard counter to muta, and critical mass of bio would just melt the lings and Flash would simply not lose any units (except maybe 2 valkyrie to scourge). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDuQ6yD1e9Y To add to this, Flash's sick timings in the latest MSL where he easily 3-0'd Zero. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
In the west, it would sound like an extreme addiction and possibly a mental disorder | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:44 sluggaslamoo wrote: Flash in his peak only slept 3 hours a night, the skin on his wrists were worn off as you could see in his photos, his team mates would force him to stop playing because his fingers would bleed from overuse, and even claimed he had achieved "enlightenment". Compared to Nestea, he is on a completely different level. Where do you have this from? It contradicts everything I've heard. I'm not sure about his wrist/skin problems, but they've certainly not necessarily come from playing. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On June 19 2011 23:38 XsebT wrote: Where do you have this from? It contradicts everything I've heard. I'm not sure about his wrist/skin problems, but they've certainly not necessarily come from playing. It's chronic of course, my own mother has the very same thing. It's fine, but very latent if you don't use your wrist, but instead of building up it's strength and durability from use, you're just accelerating it's deterioation. edit: no idea why I capitalized 'chronic' | ||
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starmeat_
105 Posts
I was curious whether you'd seen a Korea player by the name of NesTea play Starcraft 2. If not I highly recommend it lol | ||
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