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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 19 2011 23:50 starmeat_ wrote: [/url]I was curious whether you'd seen a Korea player by the name of NesTea play Starcraft 2. If not I highly recommend it lol Not suprised a zerg prefering NesTea but looking at GSL wins AND total tournament wins i'm guessing MC has a way better record. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On June 19 2011 23:47 Demand2k wrote: Doubt Flash will ever switch to SC2. He makes 200k-300k usd a year playing BW, and at the same time he is considered one of the all time greats within RTS. He also has an uncurable problem with his wrist. I think he'll most likely ending up on the school bench. If he switched to SC2, he could stay teamless and make 600k usd+ off GSL alone. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On June 19 2011 23:55 two.watup wrote: If he switched to SC2, he could stay teamless and make 600k usd+ off GSL alone. Or he won't be as good as everyone thinks and be on the level of say Nada eventually? Yes he's a good player but god they're two different games and he's a year behind. If he does switch he won't be "amazing" in a week as some of you assume. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On May 28 2011 16:15 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: I don't think you realize how good JD/Flash actually are. Just for reference...MC/Nestea were shit/unheard of in BW, July/Boxer/Nada were way past their expiration dates before SC2 was even released, and most of these top level SC2 players who came from BW were B-teamers (i.e. probably barely made any money) from BW. There are a couple of War3 players in the Korean scene I believe but the majority of players are from BW. A couple of people mentioned Nony or other players like Grubby/Moon who aren't doing well. For reference, considering Nony is now married and all that, I know for SURE he isn't playing as much as he did in his BW days. Grubby started SC2 what....4-5 months ago? 7 max? I know he started a bit late. Moon I have no idea about tbh. Back to the point, Flash/JD literally would stomp these players on a regular basis in BW...considering how MC/Nestea's skills have transferred I would say Flash/JD's skills would transfer even better. Their sense of RTS is so high it's honestly incomprehensible... Flash and Jaedong aren't "good". They are good, excellent, SC:BW players. Not good players in the absolute, it makes no sense whatsoever. MC Nestea's skills might have transferred well, but you've not heard about all the other B team players and the old BW players who failed miserably to qualify for GSL code A, precisely because they failed to qualify and show their faces on TV. Being good at BW only increases the likelyhood of being good at SC2, it doesn't make it so. Period. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
But he's not starting fresh and it's impossible for the human brain to do that. In this regard comparisons to Nony/IdrA/MC/Nestea are irrelevant because none of these players hold a candle to Flash when it comes to BW knowledge or intuition. There's a certain amount of unlearning and tendency removal he'll need to do and how well he handles that is completely unknown. I don't know how pertinent the examples of Grubby and Moon are but it's certainly interesting that they've been surpassed by far worse WC3 players. Perhaps their mastery at WC3 holds them back in SC2. Maybe he'll still be fine, I'm just saying don't treat the brain like a workstation. | ||
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starmeat_
105 Posts
On June 19 2011 23:51 karpo wrote: [/url]Not suprised a zerg prefering NesTea but looking at GSL wins AND total tournament wins i'm guessing MC has a way better record. that is because NesTea doesn't participate in foreign tournaments. so that can't be used against him. a good argument can be made that NesTea is the best player in the world, if not on equal footing with MC, since MC has been performing poorly in the past 2 GSL's. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On June 19 2011 23:58 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Or he won't be as good as everyone thinks and be on the level of say Nada eventually? Yes he's a good player but god they're two different games and he's a year behind. If he does switch he won't be "amazing" in a week as some of you assume. The year behind doesn't matter as much as you think. He can skip all the figuring out the metagame part people had to struggle with and just instantly go with what works and learn the kinks and mechanics within a month or two. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 20 2011 00:39 starmeat_ wrote: [/url]that is because NesTea doesn't participate in foreign tournaments. so that can't be used against him. a good argument can be made that NesTea is the best player in the world, if not on equal footing with MC, since MC has been performing poorly in the past 2 GSL's. One has more tournament wins. If the other doesn't want to travel to the biggest tournaments it's his loss. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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starmeat_
105 Posts
One has more tournament wins. If the other doesn't want to travel to the biggest tournaments it's his loss. i completely agree but it's not the point i'm arguing. what i'm saying is MC winning tournaments NesTea is not part of, cannot be used to argue MC is a better player than NesTea. to be honest, i don't think it can be argued who the best player in the world is, since at this moment in time, it can't be quantified because there is no one dominant person. having said that, the way NesTea is playing Zerg, it is not a ludicrous opinion to have for one to think NesTea is the best player in the world. but again, they're all opinions. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On June 20 2011 21:30 starmeat_ wrote: i completely agree but it's not the point i'm arguing. what i'm saying is MC winning tournaments NesTea is not part of, cannot be used to argue MC is a better player than NesTea. to be honest, i don't think it can be argued who the best player in the world is, since at this moment in time, it can't be quantified because there is no one dominant person. having said that, the way NesTea is playing Zerg, it is not a ludicrous opinion to have for one to think NesTea is the best player in the world. but again, they're all opinions. MC did win a tournament nestea was apart of , quite recently in fact. Stars war tourney(had many top koreans), and he got much further in TSL. People always say "nestea hasn't done any foreign events" and its bullshit, yes they were online but other korean players have done well in them, its not an excuse. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:54 Olinim wrote: MC did win a tournament nestea was apart of , quite recently in fact. Stars war tourney(had many top koreans), and he got much further in TSL. People always say "nestea hasn't done any foreign events" and its bullshit, yes they were online but other korean players have done well in them, its not an excuse. I'm pretty sure everyone now accepts cross server lag as an excuse. But yeah, just owning more white dudes doesn't make MC better than Nestea. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:25 fraktoasters wrote: I'm pretty sure everyone now accepts cross server lag as an excuse. But yeah, just owning more white dudes doesn't make MC better than Nestea. If its such a hindrance why did MC win the tournament...? The only thing you can really go by is tournament results and MC has far more, and Nestea wasn't absent from all of them. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On July 06 2011 03:26 Olinim wrote: If its such a hindrance why did MC win the tournament...? The only thing you can really go by is tournament results and MC has far more, and Nestea wasn't absent from all of them. MC being able to better adjust to cross-server lag does not mean that he's better at SC2 than NesTea, as cross-server lag is not the norm (and I vaguely recall hearing from somewhere that oGs had the least lag of any of the major pro teams because of their ISP? can someone either confirm or deny?). That being said, MC was the first 2-time champion and has been in the pantheon of "top 3 people playing this game right now, period" since at least GSL 3. I can't recall him being knocked out by any scrubs since he won his first GSL (NesTea, Polt, Bomber) so to say his recent efforts aren't amazing is fair, but keep in mind the quality of the competition that he's losing to. He's arguably the best, but until he wins another GSL, it's just arguable. | ||
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cheukwongathku
United States1 Post
Bisu would stomp mc ~_~ | ||
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seansye
United States1722 Posts
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