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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:01 Bensio wrote: I think the missile change needs to come back, more micro FTW I agree, I liked that change, perhaps increase the speed of the projectile from the PTR original speed so satisfy some people? Either way, as is, I don't think infestors are OP at all, just make some ghosts or HTs, that being said most infestors die quickly to seige tanks or collosus before they get up there anyway. | ||
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Hollis
United States505 Posts
I see them being used to great success in zvp and zvt at the highest levels, and this makes me rejoice! Zerg still feels weak in zvp so I laugh to think it's "overpowered" but I'm thinking how with just a couple more tweaks things might start to balance out. | ||
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Pughy
Wales662 Posts
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adelise
85 Posts
There have been so many terrans who walk 40 marines in 1 group away from his tanks, gets fungaled and rages at infestors. And then there is terrans that realise that the threat of mutalisks is much much smaller when the zerg presents multiple infestors and produces more tanks, uses ghosts to keep my energy low or pushes really slow with bunker marine tank, and all of a sudden they dont seem that powerful anymore. Same thing goes for protoss, I have had a lot of success eating the VR/colossi deathball with ling/infestor/ultralisk simply because the protoss doesnt react to my build and refuses to build high templars. I play at mid-masters | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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rale
United States40 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:15 qui wrote: Ghosts are cheaper in terms of gas. HT have been indirectly buffed by the archon change. How are these not indirect nerfs to Infestor? I am not whining btw, as I am sure a lot of players will stubbornly not built these units while I keep FG-ing their clumped up death balls. What does the archon change have to do with infestors? Archons being massive should have no effect on PvZ. | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:10 Digamma wrote: Please refrain from insulting the science vessel by mentioning it as though it was a equal to the pathetic raven. On the topic, no, infestors arent too powerful as they are now. I never compared ravens to science vessels. I just said science vessels are a good example of caster vs. caster dynamic that was so exciting in BW. SC2 will never match SV vs Defiler in the game's current state. The complexity was pretty deep, SV would irradiate defilers, but you could micro scourge that would have to coordinated with attacks to kill off SV. A match would be about controlling SV numbers, plague allowed for a cornered defiler to bring an entire pack of SV down. Good use of defiler or SV pretty much made you the king in your respective race. Anyways, what I'm saying is powerful casters are a good thing. Toss/terran have so many units they can still use, so they should use them... | ||
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adelise
85 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:21 rale wrote: What does the archon change have to do with infestors? Archons being massive should have no effect on PvZ. So how do you intend to target broodlords when your units are stuck in fungals? Well now you can with archons  | ||
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NiNjAPlation
United States85 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
The first argument, and most common is it's simply too powerful,dealing 36-47 damage over 4 seconds. This is what bothers me the most, it does SO much damage to a whole group of units, the problem is once you get a good hit off, it 100% immobilizes units and you can basically just keep chaining up Fungal Growths untill everything is dead that being mutas, marines, vikings etc. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:24 adelise wrote: So how do you intend to target broodlords when your units are stuck in fungals? Well now you can with archons I'm not sure i understand what you are saying. Archons will still be stuck in fungals even if they are massive. | ||
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zewk
Sweden35 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:24 adelise wrote: So how do you intend to target broodlords when your units are stuck in fungals? Well now you can with archons Fungal will still stuck archons.  They aren't frenzied as ultras, they're massive like collossus and thors, which means they can't be slowed by marauders and they can get hit by corrupters, and void rays deals extra damage against them - and they now brake force fields.But fungals will still make them stay at place. But that still doesn't make fungal OP. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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rale
United States40 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:24 adelise wrote: So how do you intend to target broodlords when your units are stuck in fungals? Well now you can with archons Being massive doesn't grant invulnerability to fungal. Colossus are massive, but get snared by fungal all the same. Besides, archons are slow and have only 2 range. The only way they would get close enough to target broodlords is if the zerg had no ground army at all. | ||
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adelise
85 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:26 zewk wrote: Fungal will still stuck archons. They aren't frenzied as ultras, they're massive like collossus and thors, which means they can't be slowed by marauders and they can get hit by corrupters, and void rays deals extra damage against them - and they now brake force fields.But fungals will still make them stay at place. But that still doesn't make fungal OP. My bad, was thinking of ultralisks Although I can now neural parasite an Archon and use it to break forcefields | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
This also helps Zerg have a reason to reach for T3 tech, before the change no one made them and i think this also inadvertently stopped players going to T3 as building the Infester Pit was considered a wast of minerals\gas. Also the ability to now snipe workers with fungal could make for some interested strategies with drop\infester harass mid game As Terran when you see these units in the game , they should be considering ghosts and ravens in their build queues to nullify them. Ghosts are an underused unit in the game which have great abilites. Snipe and EMP are great micro spells to be used. So far Terran has had it easy with its MMM ball with very little reason to build any other units. Protoss wont see much of a difference except Infesters may actually help deal with the 200 death ball by locking down Stalkers with Fungal. I have seen a tactic that when used with Broodlords infested Terrans + fungal really can make a big difference to the outcome The change to this unit is interesting and changes the dynamics of the match ups. Interesting times ahead | ||
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Holliday
Germany30 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:15 qui wrote: Ghosts are cheaper in terms of gas. HT have been indirectly buffed by the archon change. How are these not indirect nerfs to Infestor? I am not whining btw, as I am sure a lot of players will stubbornly not built these units while I keep FG-ing their clumped up death balls. can i get a hell yeah? | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:31 Topdoller wrote: Protoss wont see much of a difference except Infesters may actually help deal with the 200 death ball by locking down Stalkers with Fungal. I have seen a tactic that when used with Broodlords infested Terrans + fungal really can make a big difference to the outcome The change to this unit is interesting and changes the dynamics of the match ups. Interesting times ahead Offtopic but i see it as necessary, as this comes up again and again: You shouldn't be able to deal with the Protoss 200 supply ball easily anyway. 200 Supply Protoss ball is worth much more in resources than Zerg 200 ball. It's only fair it should win and no one should expect any other outcome than a battle win for the Protoss in a 200 vs 200. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On April 26 2011 21:54 _Darwin_ wrote: No, infestors aren't too strong. They really aren't hard to snipe when u split bio or just pull 4 rauders and 2 shot them. Or emp. Or have good tank placement. Bio can heal/mech can repair/toss shields regenerate. That's hard enough to do considering Terran already has to place tanks perfectly, split bio and micro marines while Zerg simply a-moves in and casts fungals all over the place. The biggest problem for Terran atm is Broodlord+Infestor+Corrupter tho. This combination rapes nearly everything Terran has and your only chance to counter it are Ghosts. So I'm glad Blizzard is addressing this and reducing the gas cost of Ghosts. Only time will tell if the Infestor buff makes ZvT lategame imba but Ghosts vs Infestor/Broodlord is definitely spectacular for viewers to watch | ||
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