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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong. It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Just change warpgate to citadel tech but make it faster and more expensive, at least then you would have more decision making than just cybercore up -> no resources saved -> wargate -> wait an extremely long time. Just like concussive and all these other 50/50 upgrades that make no sense, take an extremely long time to research and require no tech pattern or planning at all. | ||
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avatarofjustice
Barbados24 Posts
This is honestly so much worse than before. :-) Won't be playing this patch very much. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:22 Severian wrote: Warp Gates are still 5 seconds faster as the cooldown begins when the unit starts warping in. Perhaps this should go at the top of the page, too. Hmm.. I don't think that would actually make gate switching viable though. You have a 10 second warp gate transformation time to consider, and the negated travel distance which warp gates provide, which I suspect would be longer then 5 seconds in the majority of situations. That's my hypothesis anyway. EDIT: Nevermind, can't read. >.< | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:32 avatarofjustice wrote: There is simply nothing positive to say about these changes. This is probably the most hardcore Protoss buff of all time, when the exact opposite is what they were trying to achieve. Warpgate cheese toned down in exchange for free 16 nexus against terran every game? How about gateways inside of terran's main? How about proxy gateways against zerg early expansions? Really now, add 40 seconds research time to warpgates and get super fast zealots and stalkers in return? That is a buff. A huge one. This is honestly so much worse than before. :-) Won't be playing this patch very much. Dude, what lol None of what you said made any sense, are you sure you read anything at all? | ||
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Whalecore
Norway1110 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:27 Omegasad wrote: Archons crushing forcefields in PvP can anyone imagine that happening? So much gas.. And I think a Zealot/Colossi army will crush a Zealot/Archon army any day | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:33 Whalecore wrote: So much gas.. And I think a Zealot/Colossi army will crush a Zealot/Archon army any day It will, colossi balls own archon/immortal balls. | ||
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Valefort
France228 Posts
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avatarofjustice
Barbados24 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:33 ffadicted wrote: Dude, what lol None of what you said made any sense, are you sure you read anything at all? It's because you lack understanding, not because I lack reading comprehension. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:30 sluggaslamoo wrote: Changes are ok but still kind of silly. Just change warpgate to citadel tech but make it faster and more expensive, at least then you would have more decision making than just cybercore up -> no resources saved -> wargate -> wait an extremely long time. Just like concussive and all these other 50/50 upgrades that make no sense, take an extremely long time to research and require no tech pattern or planning at all. There is not supposed to be a choice. Tech like warpgate and conc shell exist exclusively to slow down their acquisition. Conc shell was put in because early marauder pressure was impossible to deal with. Warpgate tech was put in because early pylons in your base were impossible to deal with. | ||
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Nakas
United States148 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:07 FarbrorAbavna wrote: spore crawler is so zerg doesnt get owned just because getting a bit caught off guard on dt's or void rays. As it is right now you basically lose because you didnt scout perfectly and protoss is going air really early(without really being all in or anything). It's just one of many things that need tweaking to make zerg less of a bitch to play. Players havent been as vocal about it as alot of other things. Ghost is probably in response to infestors being so strong with the new fungal growth. So the idea is that if a DT or banshee is attacking something out of range of a spore, that we can move it closer? Personally, I'm having a hard time imagining a game where chasing around after a DT/banshee with a spore crawler would be effective. If I'm not mistaken, spores don't detect while uprooted, so even the 6 second burrow time is enough to get out of range again, or to just kill it outright. I'm a little puzzled by the ghost change, I see ghost in almost every game where the enemy goes spellcasters. You think it's directed at TvZ? I thought that matchup was in a pretty good place right now, and generates some fantastic games. I think that the skirmishes that occur between the casters (HT/ghosts/infestors) is one of the most intense parts of the game, I'm really worried that cheap ghosts could mess this up to the point where players don't bother to build spellcasters vs terran. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
Other than that I love the changes. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Will this be the end of warping in units over the forcefields in PvP? Can I finally enjoy watching PvP? | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
 Seriously though I like the changes. Making toss rely on actual gateway production beyond the first 5 minutes will be interesting and I'm thrilled for the prospect of an actually interesting PvP!! | ||
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:38 Sanguinarius wrote: I seriously LOVE massive archons. They have needed to do that for so long. What if they change the Archon size too to be like a Thor? And then increase splash radius? Walking Psi Storm on the loose! | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:30 sluggaslamoo wrote: Changes are ok but still kind of silly. Just change warpgate to citadel tech but make it faster and more expensive, at least then you would have more decision making than just cybercore up -> no resources saved -> wargate -> wait an extremely long time. Just like concussive and all these other 50/50 upgrades that make no sense, take an extremely long time to research and require no tech pattern or planning at all. Completely agree. Warp Gates should be a choice not a requirement. But Warp In is obviously the sacred gimmick of Protoss.. which Blizzard wants everyone to get 100% of the time every game. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:41 Chicken Chaser wrote: What if they change the Archon size too to be like a Thor? And then increase splash radius? Walking Psi Storm on the loose! I hope they will buff Archon further. Like faster movement, less collision size or damage/splash/range/attack speed buff. HT/Archon is the only alternative to Collossus in PvZ lategame but Archon sucks too much to make it happen  | ||
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rale
United States40 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:35 Whitewing wrote: It will, colossi balls own archon/immortal balls. You can rush to archons much faster than you can rush to colossus. Twilight council and templar archives are both 50 seconds, compared to 65 for robo facility and robo bay, plus another 75 for a colossus. Getting an archon and using it to bust the ramp could prove viable against someone trying to go colossus. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:36 Nakas wrote: So the idea is that if a DT or banshee is attacking something out of range of a spore, that we can move it closer? Personally, I'm having a hard time imagining a game where chasing around after a DT/banshee with a spore crawler would be effective. If I'm not mistaken, spores don't detect while uprooted, so even the 6 second burrow time is enough to get out of range again, or to just kill it outright. That's one example, yes. See it this way, the 6 second root makes it easier to change positioning on the Spore Crawler - so if the DT simply runs away, that's half the time the Protoss player has to react/half the time he's able to whack away at drones unchallenged compared to before. I personally think it's made to deflect Banshees and Phoenixes easier. Faster rooting time = less drones killed. On April 26 2011 22:32 avatarofjustice wrote: There is simply nothing positive to say about these changes. This is probably the most hardcore Protoss buff of all time, when the exact opposite is what they were trying to achieve. Warpgate cheese toned down in exchange for free 16 nexus against terran every game? How about gateways inside of terran's main? How about proxy gateways against zerg early expansions? Really now, add 40 seconds research time to warpgates and get super fast zealots and stalkers in return? That is a buff. A huge one. This is honestly so much worse than before. :-) Won't be playing this patch very much. I think most of the people here disagree with you.  And don't let the door hit you on the way out if some unfavourable (in your opinion), untested patch notes are enough to make you quit. | ||
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Jarmam
Denmark140 Posts
On April 26 2011 22:35 avatarofjustice wrote: It's because you lack understanding, not because I lack reading comprehension. No its because everything you say is nonsense. | ||
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