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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 13 2011 12:42 GMT
#281
better sound, and perhaps new camera angles in the studio.
if possible set up a winners/loosers interview through skype, phone line or chat
to buy time it could be predetermined set of questions for the players to answer

Something else that would be cool is to award the best game/player of the week
Awards in general is something that energizes both player and spectators, more awards!
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Thorxes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States119 Posts
April 13 2011 12:52 GMT
#282
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.
I feel like I used to be smarter....but that's when I knew less.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
April 13 2011 12:57 GMT
#283
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.
Axeinst
Profile Joined March 2011
Belize281 Posts
April 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#284
On April 13 2011 21:57 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.

Reason: to share information for all players to help everybody

Also, replays have nothing substantial danger for competitors what live streams dont already show. In streams we already see what is the style of the players and general timings for things which is enough to know how to those players play.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
April 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#285
On April 13 2011 22:04 Axeinst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 21:57 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.

Reason: to share information for all players to help everybody

Also, replays have nothing substantial danger for competitors what live streams dont already show. In streams we already see what is the style of the players and general timings for things which is enough to know how to those players play.


the pros are putting a lot of effort into refining their builds until they are perfect. Sure everyone can figure out a baic build when watching the vods, but the little things are hard to notice when there are no replays released. Why should the pros work their asses of just so others can steal their builds without putting any time on refinement? Seems kinda unfair for me
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
April 13 2011 13:12 GMT
#286
On April 13 2011 22:04 Axeinst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 21:57 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.

Reason: to share information for all players to help everybody

Also, replays have nothing substantial danger for competitors what live streams dont already show. In streams we already see what is the style of the players and general timings for things which is enough to know how to those players play.

he point about not releasing replays is because it's extremely easy for any youtube caster download it, and cast it.
Pri1230
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom148 Posts
April 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#287
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



You can get all GSL and TSL replays off SC2Reps, if NASL does decide to release the replays it would only do more good than harm, the more people that watch the replays and see the quality of the games the more likely they are to tune in to the live stream.
Axeinst
Profile Joined March 2011
Belize281 Posts
April 13 2011 13:17 GMT
#288
On April 13 2011 22:12 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 22:04 Axeinst wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:57 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.

Reason: to share information for all players to help everybody

Also, replays have nothing substantial danger for competitors what live streams dont already show. In streams we already see what is the style of the players and general timings for things which is enough to know how to those players play.

he point about not releasing replays is because it's extremely easy for any youtube caster download it, and cast it.

Whats the problem?
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
April 13 2011 13:24 GMT
#289
19. release multiple resolutions of the VODs. 1080p is great, but I'd like to watch it at 480/720p without having it stutter every 2 minutes due to buffering
I am down but I am far from over
Trisket
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4 Posts
April 13 2011 13:26 GMT
#290
It's incredible to see the improvements made since Clash of the Titans. These are the things that stuck out in my mind:

The Set.
The set looks fantastic; the matte finish feels so stylish. It ushered a professional feel right from the beginning. At first, I did feel like a tiny bit more color would be nice.

The Casting.
You can tell both casters have practiced up. Incontrol is obviously the rock upon which the commentary rests, but Gretorp has dramatically improved since Clash. Overall, a good mix of narrative and analysis. I'm actually looking forward to hearing more from the duo, which is crazy after Gretorp left such a poor first impression on me. I appreciated the jackets- losing the hoodie was a good choice. Also, proletariat.

The Content.
While some of the games were more entertaining than others (It was painful for everyone to see Battlenet rear its ugly head between Morrow and Rainbow), they did well to find a storyline behind every matchup. In my opinion, NASL sets the standard in this regard. The post-game interviews were a fantastic addition, and they worked well with the other vidoes, map fly-throughs, etc, to keep the production from feeling stale.

The Early Game Split Screen.
This is a fantastic idea, but it could have been executed better. I would love to see each caster pick 1 player to focus on in the early game so we could continue to see the builds unfold in both camps. This is largely the only criticism I have.

Overall, I was in love with the production quality- you could even tell time was taken to find the perfect way to present the NASL/JustinTV/Facebook/Twitter overlay.

A big, big thanks to everyone involved.


TL;DR
I agree that Gretorp still has improvements to make, but he's on the road to winning me over. Production quality was not lacking. Everything seemed to serve as a device to finding the story behind the games. 5 stars.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
April 13 2011 13:28 GMT
#291
On April 13 2011 22:17 Axeinst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 22:12 antilyon wrote:
On April 13 2011 22:04 Axeinst wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:57 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.

Reason: to share information for all players to help everybody

Also, replays have nothing substantial danger for competitors what live streams dont already show. In streams we already see what is the style of the players and general timings for things which is enough to know how to those players play.

he point about not releasing replays is because it's extremely easy for any youtube caster download it, and cast it.

Whats the problem?



From a financial stand point it can be very bad as they are making money from this. If say Day9 Or Husky started casting their games many players who are fans of theirs might skip the live show and favor the versions by the more well known casters which would reduce revenues and decrease the chance that they can have more tournaments in the future.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
April 13 2011 13:29 GMT
#292
A better time to send it live perhaps?
I would much rather see stuff live rather than having to watch the Vods.

I end up looking at the results instead of watching the games.
спеціальна Тактика
Trisket
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4 Posts
April 13 2011 13:32 GMT
#293
Did anyone else think the casters would benefit from this knowledge:

Indeed-
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emazzuca
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada33 Posts
April 13 2011 13:32 GMT
#294
On April 13 2011 22:24 Phaded wrote:
19. release multiple resolutions of the VODs. 1080p is great, but I'd like to watch it at 480/720p without having it stutter every 2 minutes due to buffering


1)
this is a big one,


i went to to watch a match this morning cause i got 5 emails from NASL,

and it only linked me to the HD stream.


and it kept stuttering, so i went to the NASL's site,

and no videos were there,

so clicked full schedule, and it just shows me who won the matchup anyway...

so much for keeping that a secret.

how am i suppose to watch the replays? where are they putting the videos?

2)
i was getting pretty upset being in the dark, because they just kept the income tab open most of the game.

3) casters kept missing key points.

4) gretorp seems like a nice guy, and i will give him a chance, but i have my doubts

5) I Feel like there are just to many matches, i think i would rather one match instead of a best of 3 between each opponent this early.


a potential of 15 (5*3) matches a night is to much.


Live 2 game : game 2 Live
leviathan400
Profile Joined November 2006
United Kingdom393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 13:34:01
April 13 2011 13:33 GMT
#295
Needs in-game music. Personaly I find using the mp3's is the best way that way you have continuous music runing regardless if in a game or not.

Need player/score title bar on screen allways.

Should have NASL logo on screen allways in normal location (on right).

Should have player country flags when showing detailed player info, we are trying to tell people more about the players and where they come from / represent is interesting.

For the map analysis in the pregame show the 3D walkaround is good and all (and new but I would love to see more of the traditional drawing on the map like I've see in OSL etc. The game/maps are still 2 dimensional so pointing out/marking chokes points and expansion paths would be great. Day9 has done this great before.

Example:
[image loading]

:o
Thorxes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States119 Posts
April 13 2011 13:34 GMT
#296
On April 13 2011 22:12 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 22:04 Axeinst wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:57 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:52 Thorxes wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:39 Tofugrinder wrote:
On April 13 2011 21:14 Thorxes wrote:BUT...replays are not for entertainment. They're for learning and growing as a player yourself. The SC2 community has always been very active about helping players grow and become better. Allowing access to the replays just follows in suit with this.


no current Starleague (GSL and TSL) does this for good reasons! They will never release the replays and that is good!

It would be unfair to the players, there's no need for the entertainment and - in the other cases besides the nasl - the sponsors wouldnt like it. But true for all Starleagues: they want to make a great show - not just but some replay files online (you can search the net for thta anyways)



NASL isn't GSL or TSL. So they don't have to do what the other leagues do.

I don't understand what you mean by "there's no need for the entertainment". I specifically said that replays are NOT for entertainment. They're for learning from and making yourself a better player. Exactly what the SC2 community has always been about.

If the NASL is confident about their production value, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.


well as i posted before, there is simply no reason to release the replays. It would just be unfair to the players.

Reason: to share information for all players to help everybody

Also, replays have nothing substantial danger for competitors what live streams dont already show. In streams we already see what is the style of the players and general timings for things which is enough to know how to those players play.

he point about not releasing replays is because it's extremely easy for any youtube caster download it, and cast it.


If the NASL is confident about their production value, which they've been marketing from the start, then releasing replays won't effect them in any way.

Youtube casters just won't have the same quality in production that NASL has. That's a big part of what you're paying for.
I feel like I used to be smarter....but that's when I knew less.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 13 2011 13:36 GMT
#297
It's probably just a day 1 chemistry thing, but i found it funny that Incontrol threw in the word "gretorp" in random places all cast as if he was talking to him. It just sounded really forced and odd, and if you didn't know better youd think the player he was talking about was Gretorp, not the dude next to him.

Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
April 13 2011 13:37 GMT
#298
- A simple 2D preview of the map would be much better than this weird 3D preview.
- music: more music
Durantula
Profile Joined July 2010
United States108 Posts
April 13 2011 13:42 GMT
#299
I actually disagree completely with everyone saying that more music is necessary. I feel like it detracts from the focus of the game at times and makes the casting less smooth than normal at times. I know at least several times while watching the GSL i wish they had disabled the music, whether it was because it was too loud or just unnecessary.
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
April 13 2011 13:43 GMT
#300
I thought the first day was ok, the only big issue I had was not focusing on the action.
I could see other drops/fights happening on the mini map that were not shown.

I remember in one match they were focusing on a small muta harass when a huge battle was going on in the middle of the map.

Also it would be nice if they had a very quick segmant in the pre-game to go over what SC2 is (tried to get my wife into watching but she was lost).
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