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Demon Hunter
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand74 Posts
May 17 2011 14:43 GMT
#2121
PLEASE for the love of Allah remove the comments section on the VODs pages - it's fucking annoying getting spoiled everytime I go to watch one - already had the Boxer vs Mana and Sen vs Idra games spoiled after waiting like a fucking kid in the candystore for them for the past few days, not to mention the fact that paid subscribers have to wait until it gets broadcasted twice.
AsGrudeon
Profile Joined May 2011
Azerbaijan31 Posts
May 17 2011 14:54 GMT
#2122
On May 17 2011 23:43 Demon Hunter wrote:
PLEASE for the love of Allah remove the comments section on the VODs pages - it's fucking annoying getting spoiled everytime I go to watch one - already had the Boxer vs Mana and Sen vs Idra games spoiled after waiting like a fucking kid in the candystore for them for the past few days, not to mention the fact that paid subscribers have to wait until it gets broadcasted twice.

Hey demon hunter, which browser do you use?

Most browsers allow user javascript or user styles. To hide the comment box you could do a user style that includes the following:
#comment-list {display:none !important;}


Or to hide it with a user javascript:
document.getElementById('comment-list').style.display = 'none';
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
May 17 2011 15:25 GMT
#2123
I think NASL has improved alot. This is what i like most:

1) Casters wearing NASL-Hoodies looks much better than suit + t-shirt.
2) Greenscreen Background looks much much better than the simple black before.
3) Rotating different Caster-Pairs is really nice. I liked Idra's casting alot. Very on-the-spot analysis.

These things still could be improved imho:
1) My biggest concern are the player introductions in the beginning. They are waaaay to long. First of all they should be done before the respective game. And then they should be shorter and more precise. Also they should be supportet with interesting statistics and facts. Maybe some graphs or so.

2) Kind of goes in the same direction. I dislike how (especially by Gretorp) every player is uberhyped in the beginnig. When you listen to Gretorp he says about every player that "his macro is sho shtrong", "he has sho innovative builds", "his unit control is sho strong", "he is sho aggressive" and it goes on and on and on. Why is it such a no-go to say a player is performing bad recently? In every other sport commentators are much critical with the players. Best example is what they said about LeBron James and his underwhelming perfomance in game1 against chigago.

Otherwise... its nice.. keep it up!
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
May 17 2011 15:57 GMT
#2124
Chill, no worries man. I love your casting and couldn't care less if you mispronounce a map. Misusing a word entirely is completely different from slightly mispronouncing a word IMO. iNcontroL: I might have to stop listening to your casts while I'm at work because you make me LOL too often with your hilarity. Keep up the good work guys.


I'll agree with this, mispronouncing a word is no big deal and doesn't affect the quality of the broadcast at all (look at Charles Barkley haha). The part that I think grates on people is using a word to mean something it doesn't.

Well it happens occasionally, if you watch a lot of sports (or even DJWheat and Tastosis) you will notice it is rare that these commentators make that mistake, they stick to a simpler vocabulary for the most part and the problem is avoided entirely. My advice would be to do the same, try not to fall back on big or obscure words especially during periods of rapid commentary where the chance of using an inappropriate one is even higher.

Idra, who had little previous broadcast experience, kept a simple vocabulary and I can't recall him misusing any words (I'm sure he did it was just rare enough to be under the radar, which is the point), so I do not believe it is solely an experience issue.

Aside from that issue (and the loud music at the end of games which you have probably already fixed by this week anyways) NASL has been steadily improving every week just like you told us it would, last week especially, with Idra and JP helping cast and good production it was by far the best week yet.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
May 17 2011 15:59 GMT
#2125
On May 18 2011 00:57 Duravi wrote:
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Chill, no worries man. I love your casting and couldn't care less if you mispronounce a map. Misusing a word entirely is completely different from slightly mispronouncing a word IMO. iNcontroL: I might have to stop listening to your casts while I'm at work because you make me LOL too often with your hilarity. Keep up the good work guys.


I'll agree with this, mispronouncing a word is no big deal and doesn't affect the quality of the broadcast at all (look at Charles Barkley haha). The part that I think grates on people is using a word to mean something it doesn't.

Well it happens occasionally, if you watch a lot of sports (or even DJWheat and Tastosis) you will notice it is rare that these commentators make that mistake, they stick to a simpler vocabulary for the most part and the problem is avoided entirely. My advice would be to do the same, try not to fall back on big or obscure words especially during periods of rapid commentary where the chance of using an inappropriate one is even higher.

Idra, who had little previous broadcast experience, kept a simple vocabulary and I can't recall him misusing any words (I'm sure he did it was just rare enough to be under the radar, which is the point), so I do not believe it is solely an experience issue.

Aside from that issue (and the loud music at the end of games which you have probably already fixed by this week anyways) NASL has been steadily improving every week just like you told us it would, last week especially, with Idra and JP helping cast and good production it was by far the best week yet.

I hate Incontrol, he makes me laugh so hard when listening to him that before stare at me weird when I am on the train.

Either way, Good Job, I was regretting that I bought the ticket when NASL first debutted but no longer, it's highly competitive and very well done
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Jazzyluv
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States36 Posts
May 17 2011 16:00 GMT
#2126
Biggest thing is lower quality vods, 1080P VODS take forever to load even on my 10.5 megabit connection.

I respect quality, but I just want be able to watch the vods.

Yes, i know its a justin.tv problem. But this is a severe hamper on my ability to watch the NASL(live stream is great though)
Takuah
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States76 Posts
May 17 2011 16:01 GMT
#2127
they should get rid of Gretorp. : / sorry d00d and fix VOD issues. I know not everybody has issues, but it seems that many do, enough to address it at least.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
May 17 2011 16:03 GMT
#2128
On May 18 2011 00:57 Duravi wrote:
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Chill, no worries man. I love your casting and couldn't care less if you mispronounce a map. Misusing a word entirely is completely different from slightly mispronouncing a word IMO. iNcontroL: I might have to stop listening to your casts while I'm at work because you make me LOL too often with your hilarity. Keep up the good work guys.


I'll agree with this, mispronouncing a word is no big deal and doesn't affect the quality of the broadcast at all (look at Charles Barkley haha). The part that I think grates on people is using a word to mean something it doesn't.


Second this. Kevin Ratcliffe is a commentator for Everton Radio. He manages to pronounce "Anichebe" as "Anchovie" and "Jagielka" as "Cha-gulke"

Its fairly lol, but it still doesn't ruin the cast.
Dead girls don't say no.
Demon Hunter
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand74 Posts
May 17 2011 16:08 GMT
#2129
On May 17 2011 23:54 AsGrudeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 23:43 Demon Hunter wrote:
PLEASE for the love of Allah remove the comments section on the VODs pages - it's fucking annoying getting spoiled everytime I go to watch one - already had the Boxer vs Mana and Sen vs Idra games spoiled after waiting like a fucking kid in the candystore for them for the past few days, not to mention the fact that paid subscribers have to wait until it gets broadcasted twice.

Hey demon hunter, which browser do you use?

Most browsers allow user javascript or user styles. To hide the comment box you could do a user style that includes the following:
Show nested quote +
#comment-list {display:none !important;}


Or to hide it with a user javascript:
Show nested quote +
document.getElementById('comment-list').style.display = 'none';


Thanks mate, I'll give it a go - appreciate your help. I still hope that the NASL organisers would remove the comments though, or at least have them hidden by default unless the user chooses to open them.
Blackk
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa226 Posts
May 17 2011 16:10 GMT
#2130
I think my largest issue is having to wait for the end of the european broadcast to watch the vod. I wish i could watch the few games im interested in before or after gsl cause otherwise i end up not watching them at all.
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Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
May 17 2011 16:15 GMT
#2131
Just wanted to add using a simpler vocabulary doesn't make it limited, one can always add a few idioms like "Artosis Pylon" or "Maka Rax". Being able to identify, create, and properly use these sorts of terms definitely adds to the quality of the broadcast.
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
May 17 2011 16:23 GMT
#2132
I hope NASL will be faster to get up easily accessible VODs faster in the future, and let me choose the quality, 1080p takes forever to buffer. I don't care if it's JustinTV that's responsible for it, since my 25$ went to NASL.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 16:29:42
May 17 2011 16:28 GMT
#2133
This sounds bad, but for me if the caster doesn't get me excited then I don't feel like watching. In regular sports having bad commentators (other than joe buck) is something I look past because the games are super exciting because of crowd noise, intensity, etc. Starcraft on the other hand needs a good caster to make it exciting, that's just the way it is. I think NASL should invest in a permanent "caster". A combination like HD starcraft and Idra would be amazing. Even though idra isn't the best "caster" he knows so much about the game and understands timings so perfectly that it's like having kasparov commentate a chess match. Adding a good caster alongside him would make it perfect. My favorite combination so far is idra/incontrol.


Edit; This is why bw is also exciting becase those korean commentators really get into it. It's also why casters are more popular than the players. It's just the nature of things.
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Disarm22
Profile Joined January 2011
United States151 Posts
May 17 2011 16:39 GMT
#2134
I think the broadcast is great my only suggestion would be to stop explain theoretical or "what if" situtations. countless times a caster will get into a big long discussion about what would happen or how it would play out it player "A" did this....I prefer to just what the match and what is going on in the match. I cannot stand when casters strey from the game. PLS PLS PLS just stick to the game being played and what it going on. stop getting into these "well, if player A does this and player B goes this then we could have a situation where......." just stop that. I only want to know what is going on at that moment. Gretorp, i think you are great and will only get better as a caster but you in particular do this far too much. You carry on these ridiculously long theoretical convos about what could happen. then you start to explain how to counter it and this and that, blah blah......I just want to know what is happening.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
May 17 2011 17:07 GMT
#2135
On May 18 2011 01:39 Disarm22 wrote:
I think the broadcast is great my only suggestion would be to stop explain theoretical or "what if" situtations. countless times a caster will get into a big long discussion about what would happen or how it would play out it player "A" did this....I prefer to just what the match and what is going on in the match. I cannot stand when casters strey from the game. PLS PLS PLS just stick to the game being played and what it going on. stop getting into these "well, if player A does this and player B goes this then we could have a situation where......." just stop that. I only want to know what is going on at that moment. Gretorp, i think you are great and will only get better as a caster but you in particular do this far too much. You carry on these ridiculously long theoretical convos about what could happen. then you start to explain how to counter it and this and that, blah blah......I just want to know what is happening.

Disagree 100%. You can tell what's going on with your eyes, so it's nice to have a contrast for your ears.
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Moochlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States456 Posts
May 17 2011 17:10 GMT
#2136
On May 18 2011 02:07 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 01:39 Disarm22 wrote:
I think the broadcast is great my only suggestion would be to stop explain theoretical or "what if" situtations. countless times a caster will get into a big long discussion about what would happen or how it would play out it player "A" did this....I prefer to just what the match and what is going on in the match. I cannot stand when casters strey from the game. PLS PLS PLS just stick to the game being played and what it going on. stop getting into these "well, if player A does this and player B goes this then we could have a situation where......." just stop that. I only want to know what is going on at that moment. Gretorp, i think you are great and will only get better as a caster but you in particular do this far too much. You carry on these ridiculously long theoretical convos about what could happen. then you start to explain how to counter it and this and that, blah blah......I just want to know what is happening.

Disagree 100%. You can tell what's going on with your eyes, so it's nice to have a contrast for your ears.



You go chill!
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 17 2011 17:13 GMT
#2137
While play by play commentary is important for the popularity of a league, I think NASL (as well as GSL) has the unique opportunity of having commentators who currently play at that level so when you have casters like that I think hearing their thoughts on what might happen in that situation, or if desicions are good/bad or what else a player could do.
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TheAlchemist89
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
160 Posts
May 17 2011 17:14 GMT
#2138
On May 18 2011 01:39 Disarm22 wrote:
I think the broadcast is great my only suggestion would be to stop explain theoretical or "what if" situtations. countless times a caster will get into a big long discussion about what would happen or how it would play out it player "A" did this....I prefer to just what the match and what is going on in the match. I cannot stand when casters strey from the game. PLS PLS PLS just stick to the game being played and what it going on. stop getting into these "well, if player A does this and player B goes this then we could have a situation where......." just stop that. I only want to know what is going on at that moment. Gretorp, i think you are great and will only get better as a caster but you in particular do this far too much. You carry on these ridiculously long theoretical convos about what could happen. then you start to explain how to counter it and this and that, blah blah......I just want to know what is happening.


I disagree with this as well. I like to watch these VODs to learn deeper aspects about SC2. I am often entertained by what I see directly happening in a game, but I love when the casters provide interesting "what ifs". Even if they don't happen in the game, it gives me something to think about on what could have happened. It's almost like getting the information of 2-3 games in a single match :D
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
May 17 2011 18:00 GMT
#2139
boxer is listed as 2-0 over mana.

mana is listed as 0-2 against boxer

boxer won 2-1
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
May 17 2011 18:03 GMT
#2140
On May 18 2011 01:00 Jazzyluv wrote:
Biggest thing is lower quality vods, 1080P VODS take forever to load even on my 10.5 megabit connection.

I respect quality, but I just want be able to watch the vods.

Yes, i know its a justin.tv problem. But this is a severe hamper on my ability to watch the NASL(live stream is great though)


This, jesus christ. Having to wait for the video to load is absolutely horrible.
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