EPTNASL Season 1 Passes - $25 - Page 46
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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Ighox
Norway580 Posts
On April 03 2011 08:31 DyEnasTy wrote: my thoughts exactly. I love how people bitch endlessly about wanting SC2 to become an esport. Finally we have a step in the right direction and it requires something out of the community, and the same Fing lame ass people are like "hell no i aint payin nothin". How bout you go shell out your money for wow then k? What if it turns out to be a three-month version of yesterday/todays MLG, would you still say "you need to support it for it to become successful"? Pretty sure a 3month version of today/yesterday MLG wouldn't really benefit e-sports that much and I definitely wouldn't want to support it. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 03 2011 08:31 DyEnasTy wrote: my thoughts exactly. I love how people bitch endlessly about wanting SC2 to become an esport. Finally we have a step in the right direction and it requires something out of the community, and the same Fing lame ass people are like "hell no i aint payin nothin". How bout you go shell out your money for wow then k? whole "support esports" thing is getting to plain stupid levels anyways. for all i care im 100% happy with how it is right now. we have tournaments like evry day, you can watch like 12 hours/day of fresh sc2 content,we have gsl as a pay2view already. the players i used to download reps from 7years ago now are semi "stars". what more do you want? if a tournament cant carry itself on sponsoring then maybe its not ready yet or they just wanted more then they could carry. and lets be real here, a 200k prizepool tournament which ervyone can watch (maybe with optional cheap HQ subscriptions like esl does) is WAY WAY WAY better for esports as a whole then a 400k prizepool tournament that way less people will/can watch. esports grows by increasing viewer numbers and getting people involved. not by milking the hardcore part of the community and cutting out evryone else. i can tell my random buddies to go watch esl stuff,tsl or similar events. but i cant tell them to go watch gsl/nasl. so stop that "support esports by paying for evrything!" crap. its not only plain stupid but might even hurt longterm by cutting out those people they originally wanted to get into the thing. talking about "growing esports/getting more people involved" and at the same time building business thats 100% aimed at the hardcore fans and leaves evryone else blocked out is hypocrisy or short sighted ignorance. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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mikethebassist1
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
But my ranting aside, I have no plans to buy such a package. I have been largely disinterested with GSL, MLG, etc., so I see no reason why NASL would be any better. Also, GSL + NASL passes comes to a bill of $17 a month for SC2. More if you pay for MLG. | ||
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Pricing seems fine to me. I'm still a little on the fence because the production values of what we've been shown so far weren't great. If they fix that I'll happily get a pass though, some great potential in there. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 03 2011 10:57 schimmetje wrote: There's a free stream, don't really get some of the above complaints, nobody's locked out. so people from different timezones,different schedules etc all dont matter? as i wrote above a system like ESL uses is 100% fine. free stream/vod, pay some for HQ stream/vod. but this model cuts out a HUGE proportion of the viewers and unlike with events like TSL etc i cant tell my random ex guildies /friends to go watch gsl/nasl because either they pay or just cant follow it. so i dont really get how anyone can say this model doesnt lock out thousands of people and the bigger part of the potential viewerbase. btw little story. at the start of sc2/gsl quite some of my random noober mates watched gsl aton and they loved it. recorded restreams and vods were available evrywhere. now that this isnt the case anymore not a SINGLE ONE of them is watching gsl. some watched iem/tsl etc. but i can 100% assure you that they will never ever go back to gsl or watch nasl. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
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shablaGOO
United States13 Posts
As for the complaints, everybody seems to want something for nothing these days. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
$25 in the grand scheme of things isn't asking much considering it's almost triple the content of GSL and less than triple the cost. On April 03 2011 11:12 shablaGOO wrote: Just preordered my season 1 pass. For $20 I think its worth it, and if the quality isn't to my liking I simply won't order a pass for season 2. As for the complaints, everybody seems to want something for nothing these days. And if everyone keeps wanting something for nothing, we're not gonna have ANY tournies after a while. Stuff costs money guys. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On April 03 2011 11:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: so people from different timezones,different schedules etc all dont matter? as i wrote above a system like ESL uses is 100% fine. free stream/vod, pay some for HQ stream/vod. but this model cuts out a HUGE proportion of the viewers and unlike with events like TSL etc i cant tell my random ex guildies /friends to go watch gsl/nasl because either they pay or just cant follow it. so i dont really get how anyone can say this model doesnt lock out thousands of people and the bigger part of the potential viewerbase. btw little story. at the start of sc2/gsl quite some of my random noober mates watched gsl aton and they loved it. recorded restreams and vods were available evrywhere. now that this isnt the case anymore not a SINGLE ONE of them is watching gsl. some watched iem/tsl etc. but i can 100% assure you that they will never ever go back to gsl or watch nasl. Formatting is a good skill toi have. Just saying. I'm actually in the same timezone as you, more or less, but I haven't heard anything yet about when these games will be cast time-wise so it's not something I can comment on. I hope they won't be Dallas times, but I don't know. I do know there's SC2 replays being cast *everywhere*, if you want free stuff, and there's plenty of cool games you can show to new people. Personally I think SC2 as an e-sport will benefit more from things like the corporate involvement in these tournaments and the interest of the existing fans than from the draw they will have on people unfamiliar with the game. For me at least a large part of the draw will be the overall competition and I'm quite willing to spend a small amount of money to improve the quality thereof, especially when it's in such an early state as this. Not to mention that GOM for example has continously been trying to think up new cool things to give to us, something I doubt would have happened if they had to do it solely on a fixed sponsorship budget and I appreciate that and if I can support that, and thus SC2 as an e-sport, that's fine with me. | ||
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Stil
United Kingdom206 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On April 03 2011 11:12 shablaGOO wrote: Just preordered my season 1 pass. For $20 I think its worth it, and if the quality isn't to my liking I simply won't order a pass for season 2. As for the complaints, everybody seems to want something for nothing these days. lol this is seriously a hilarious statement you make there. So you buy something that you don't know the quality about? i think you got no value of money if you really think like that. Who said anything about wanting everything for free? The point is, we don't know what the quality of the tournament will be and the organsation of this tournament is serverely lacking imo. We just heard through 2hour+ podcast that it will be starting AROUND the second week of april. Why is this not pressed into our face atleast 3weeks/a month ago? Where is the schedue? On the top of that the show match that was supposed to introduce the whole NASL was streaming wise a flop. "but assirra, it was just a test" Guess what, if they actually want as big scale as they are claiming they should have test this beforehand and the show match should have been a general rehersal to see if there are minor bugs. So far they have yet to proof that i get quality for my money and i don't mean just games. I can always look up xVSx on youtube or go to replay sites. They want to have a WORLD SCALE TOURNAMENT, they need their shit together. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
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Washow
Korea (South)119 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On April 03 2011 12:29 Washow wrote: This league is so terribly organized. I do not want to give my money to them. I fear this thing is going to bomb hard What makes you think it's unorganized They got 95% of invites correct, just a few bad ones. Also why pre-buy, just see how it turns out and buy if you want. I think it should be pretty good having regular games, it just remains to be seen how legit it feels. The only hesitation I have is possible maphackers... but that's far more risky than stream listening etc. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Their site is so bad, there's no start date, no schedule of how long it goes exactly. Does everyone in pools play once? Twice? How many matches per day? How many days per week? The production quality is unproven, the casting quality is unproven. Also, I don't know how hyped I can get about games between a lot of lower-level players. (i mean, probably 30-40% on the list aren't top tier like MC/IdrA/Jinro/ect) I won't be getting presale anyways, I'll pay the $5 extra if it turns out worth it. So far, I'm not really impressed. | ||
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