EPTNASL Season 1 Passes - $25 - Page 42
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croupier
United States92 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On April 03 2011 00:25 arb wrote: You're gonna miss out. What's the difference between buying a ticket to a sport stadium to watch matches than to buy an online ticket to watch eSport matches? I don't get it Even though that question was problably not direct to me, but I'll answer it anyways: The atmosphere. It's same like going to a bar/pub vs drinking at home. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On April 03 2011 01:48 Kamikiri wrote: Reading this thread there is so many different arguements going on, #2 There are the people who expect it to be perfect from the beginning and thats just not the case. The NASL is not going to start off amazingly, i assume everyone remembers what happened when GSL first started with starcraft 2, the first season was somewhat of a disaster but after that it improved and became as amazing as it is now. If you do buy these season tickets it shows support, you should not expect the tournaments to be perfect immediatly, yes NASL has made alot of mistakes thus far but they are showing they want to improve and change things for the better. NASL will improve and it will get better over time. Paying 20$ for 3 months of starcraft content and a 1080p stream is an AMAZING deal, simply AMAZING you will be getting your moneys worth. You have to remember though, e-sports in the west is young, Starcraft 2 is young, it IS growing, but this new tournament, NASL will start off with plenty of mistakes but will grow and become a great tournament. It is the beginning of e-sports booming in the west even more-so than it is already. So what you are saying is we need to pay for it even tough we know there will be mistakes? I am all in for esport but money is not something i throw away when i know i don't get my value out of it. If i just wanted to see the pro's battle against each other there is always youtube/replay sites. What i expect is professionalism when they do it they way they are doing it atm. That includes quality casters, no lagg, not stream issues and so forth. Maybe i am paranoid but that showmatch was not really the best way to convince me. When i pay money for it i have the right to demand for quality wich is why i didn't pay for the first GSL season either. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 03 2011 01:39 reneg wrote: Yea, i can understand this concern, but i feel like it's similar when i graduated from college a few years ago and was looking for a job. Everyone wanted to hire someone with 2-3 years experience. Unfortunately for me, it seemed EVERYONE wanted those years of experience. It's difficult to get the experience when no one will hire you because you have no experience. At some point, someone has to take a chance and try it, which is why i'm willing to "gamble" on games with great players, and i'm sure these guys aren't COMPLETELY in the dark, and have some people with experience Hey man, LA has some very good art and design schools (Pasadena comes to mind). One of their students could do a much better job, or at the very least help out immensely. My brother and I could probably rebuilt and redesign their entire site, better, in a week. The truth is they need a month of development minimum to build a reasonably robust back-end. Where both Starcraft nerds so we would probably do it for cheap. Hmmmm... | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
Still no 'real' website. No easily accessible information on the league without searching through external forums and thousands of posts is not a good start. No date put up, no schedule, no idea what other things will be included besides the commentary on games. Then, the points brought up by someone that purchased - - no test stream or bandwith check for HQ (how can I even know if it is worth to run the 1080p stream they are trying to sell?). - when entering the presale code, it doesnt actually update the value from 25USD from 20USD before or during confirmation. - no confirmation e-mail was sent from purchase, nor was it given another sort of detailed receipt. - after confirmation, I got a link saying "back to NASL but now with more awesome" and is redirected to a standard justin.tv channel stream with a frozen screen. No schedule, no features, no anything yet. Awkward. Have these points been addressed? Maybe in the future, you should wait until you are ready to launch before you start taking payments. You guys have been behind at every turn, and every simple fix that your potential customers have asked for have been ignored. "Real website coming soon, will have all you want and more, super awesome!@!~!@".. No. You should be trying to sell me on this. And not with this BS "support esports" stance. You are a business trying to make profit selling a product. From a consumers perspective, don't you think maybe I should at least know what I am paying for? Instead we are begging for simple information that any reasonable business would realize is necessary to fix. Today. Now. Honestly the way you guys have handled things makes me less likely to purchase from you in the future. Too much attention has been given to announcing announcements, explaining yourselves on player choices(it is up to your discretion, why you even gave people the idea they could sway your opinion with votes only gives rise to the inevitable negative feedback from people when they don't get their way), and generally trying to manufacture drama. Be professional. Then maybe people won't be so reluctant to support you, through watching or paying. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On April 03 2011 02:06 Assirra wrote: So what you are saying is we need to pay for it even tough we know there will be mistakes? I am all in for esport but money is not something i throw away when i know i don't get my value out of it. If i just wanted to see the pro's battle against each other there is always youtube/replay sites. What i expect is professionalism when they do it they way they are doing it atm. That includes quality casters, no lagg, not stream issues and so forth. Maybe i am paranoid but that showmatch was not really the best way to convince me. When i pay money for it i have the right to demand for quality wich is why i didn't pay for the first GSL season either. Thats fine if you dont want to pay for the first season untill everything gets smoothed out, but what i am saying is the quality is still worth the price because its 3 months for 20$, not expensive at all also the stream is 1080p High quality stream and there is top calibur players playing there, with commentary. It is worth the cost even if there will be mistakes, also for the showmatch issues Incontrol said before on state of the game that something like that will not happen during the actual NASL because him and the other caster will both be together so there wont be replay lag. It was a learning experience. | ||
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nforce
Bulgaria116 Posts
(Checked my CC at the bank, payment has been made) And I hope that I will be able to view a 720p stream because I don't really care for 1080. EDIT: saw where I can see the purchase - http://www.justin.tv/settings?section=purchases But it says that the price there is 25$ and I believe I was taxed 20$. Any way to know for sure? | ||
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Endrew
Poland73 Posts
Whats more, with the schedule not being released yet, I'm not gonna pay for the show that might be taking place in night hours in my timezone. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
I have to admit, I'm not thrilled about this business model. I understand it's hard to get advertisers to invest in something unproven... but now we have to. The goal for anything like this should be 100% support from ads/sponsors with no direct cost to the consumer. It's disappointing to see they are starting about as far as possible from that point. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 03 2011 01:33 LittLeD wrote: Everything will be online in the future (If it ain't already) You're gonna miss out. What's the difference between buying a ticket to a sport stadium to watch matches than to buy an online ticket to watch eSport matches? I don't get it Theres a free stream, and unless its in square quality(as in blocks to watch) id prefere to watch that, i mean what are you gonna miss? Not a whole lot. And if the quality's shit, well sucks for me im not paying 25$ to watch it. Can get vods or restreams for free(and if i was interested in watching the games id probably do this anyway). And if they block those out, then congrats people who paid for the stream and had to work or something of that nature got shit on in the long run. Thats why ill never pay. EDIT: Also look at all the people who paid for MLG and get shitty stream quality, streams going down constantly and all of that. Why would i pay when i havent even seen how NASL streams will be? | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
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nforce
Bulgaria116 Posts
On April 03 2011 03:44 Dawski wrote: sorry i wont pay for anything that hasnt been "battle tested" per se. All weve seen of NASL is the jinro/idra showmatch and that was a big upset with the commentary not synched with the shown game time That was not from NASL, it was a platform where they announce the league. | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On April 03 2011 03:45 nforce wrote: That was not from NASL, it was a platform where they announce the league. they announced it as a showing of what was to come in the NASL..so i feel my comment stands | ||
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
-------------------- Is it because the majority of people complaining about commercials or subscriptions fees are too young, ignorant, or are they really so self-entitled? I'd even be willing to guess that the majority of people unwilling to pay and complain can afford it. There are probably a few that must exercise control and not purchase it due to financial reasons, but I'd guess that it a minority. I don't get it! Business requires customers. Customers are required to pay. If you are consuming a product, why do you assume you should get it for free? If someone has something you want, or is offering something you want, it is only fair and proper to trade something of equal value with that person. NASL is going to a lot of trouble, working very hard, and spending tons of money to deliver this product to you. And as a marketing manager I can tell you this, you as the consumer, watching an Ad IS NOT ENOUGH. These companies track the efficacy of each channel they advertise on and guess what? If no one buys the product from that channel they do not continue to advertise there. I'm not going to get to detailed, but the vast majority of people are completely clueless as to how the online marketing and advertising models work. It can be extremely difficult to make money; extremely. So when you see things like commercials, and subscriptions fees, just keep this in the back of your head: these things are not optional, but absolutely 100% REQUIRED to work or that product/service will no longer exist. I'm speaking more generally here than specifically with NASL, but I see this type of attitude festering in this community all the time. It drives me nuts. | ||
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fuzzz
267 Posts
On April 03 2011 03:47 TimeSpiral wrote: I don't get it. -------------------- Is it because the majority of people complaining about commercials or subscriptions fees are too young, ignorant, or are they really so self-entitled? I'd even be willing to guess that the majority of people unwilling to pay and complain can afford it. There are probably a few that must exercise control and not purchase it due to financial reasons, but I'd guess that it a minority. I don't get it! Business requires customers. Customers are required to pay. If you are consuming a product, why do you assume you should get it for free? If someone has something you want, or is offering something you want, it is only fair and proper to trade something of equal value with that person. NASL is going to a lot of trouble, working very hard, and spending tons of money to deliver this product to you. And as a marketing manager I can tell you this, you as the consumer, watching an Ad IS NOT ENOUGH. These companies track the efficacy of each channel they advertise on and guess what? If no one buys the product from that channel they do not continue to advertise there. I'm not going to get to detailed, but the vast majority of people are completely clueless as to how the online marketing and advertising models work. It can be extremely difficult to make money; extremely. So when you see things like commercials, and subscriptions fees, just keep this in the back of your head: these things are not optional, but absolutely 100% REQUIRED to work or that product/service will no longer exist. I'm speaking more generally here than specifically with NASL, but I see this type of attitude festering in this community all the time. It drives me nuts. a business has to have a GOOD product to have a chance on the free market. ppl do not want to buy blindly. therefore ppl will first see if its worth it and buy it later. just look at gom. lot of ppl didnt buy it at first, they then have seen that the production quality was worth it and did subscribe. mlg fails at quality as we see right now. maybe next time... | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 03 2011 03:47 TimeSpiral wrote: I don't get it. -------------------- Is it because the majority of people complaining about commercials or subscriptions fees are too young, ignorant, or are they really so self-entitled? I'd even be willing to guess that the majority of people unwilling to pay and complain can afford it. There are probably a few that must exercise control and not purchase it due to financial reasons, but I'd guess that it a minority. I don't get it! Business requires customers. Customers are required to pay. If you are consuming a product, why do you assume you should get it for free? If someone has something you want, or is offering something you want, it is only fair and proper to trade something of equal value with that person. NASL is going to a lot of trouble, working very hard, and spending tons of money to deliver this product to you. And as a marketing manager I can tell you this, you as the consumer, watching an Ad IS NOT ENOUGH. These companies track the efficacy of each channel they advertise on and guess what? If no one buys the product from that channel they do not continue to advertise there. I'm not going to get to detailed, but the vast majority of people are completely clueless as to how the online marketing and advertising models work. It can be extremely difficult to make money; extremely. So when you see things like commercials, and subscriptions fees, just keep this in the back of your head: these things are not optional, but absolutely 100% REQUIRED to work or that product/service will no longer exist. I'm speaking more generally here than specifically with NASL, but I see this type of attitude festering in this community all the time. It drives me nuts. No one had seen what gom had to offer during GSL Season 1, people bought and what did they get? A shitty stream lots of freezing and all of that. Why would anyone pay for an untested product? Would you go out and buy a car for example that hadnt been tested? And its actually one of the most unsafe ones on the market? No? Didnt think so. Stop pulling the "horr dorr too young and ignorant" card cause it just doesnt work. No one in thier right mind is going to buy something when they havent even see what it has to offer yet. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Rabbitmaster
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Seriox
Germany373 Posts
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Sceptor87
Canada266 Posts
Down the road if it's worth it maybe it might be a good investment to support the guys doing it, but being that it's the first run most likely not. | ||
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