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croupier
Profile Joined July 2010
United States92 Posts
April 02 2011 17:02 GMT
#821
We'll see. I didn't buy GSL season 1 until a few weeks in - I have to see what I'm going to get first. Yeah it will be $5 more than the preorder, but I'm okay with that.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 02 2011 17:02 GMT
#822
On April 03 2011 00:25 arb wrote:
You're gonna miss out. What's the difference between buying a ticket to a sport stadium to watch matches than to buy an online ticket to watch eSport matches?

I don't get it


Even though that question was problably not direct to me, but I'll answer it anyways:
The atmosphere.
It's same like going to a bar/pub vs drinking at home.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
April 02 2011 17:06 GMT
#823
On April 03 2011 01:48 Kamikiri wrote:
Reading this thread there is so many different arguements going on,
#2 There are the people who expect it to be perfect from the beginning and thats just not the case. The NASL is not going to start off amazingly, i assume everyone remembers what happened when GSL first started with starcraft 2, the first season was somewhat of a disaster but after that it improved and became as amazing as it is now. If you do buy these season tickets it shows support, you should not expect the tournaments to be perfect immediatly, yes NASL has made alot of mistakes thus far but they are showing they want to improve and change things for the better. NASL will improve and it will get better over time. Paying 20$ for 3 months of starcraft content and a 1080p stream is an AMAZING deal, simply AMAZING you will be getting your moneys worth. You have to remember though, e-sports in the west is young, Starcraft 2 is young, it IS growing, but this new tournament, NASL will start off with plenty of mistakes but will grow and become a great tournament. It is the beginning of e-sports booming in the west even more-so than it is already.

So what you are saying is we need to pay for it even tough we know there will be mistakes?
I am all in for esport but money is not something i throw away when i know i don't get my value out of it.
If i just wanted to see the pro's battle against each other there is always youtube/replay sites.
What i expect is professionalism when they do it they way they are doing it atm.
That includes quality casters, no lagg, not stream issues and so forth.
Maybe i am paranoid but that showmatch was not really the best way to convince me.
When i pay money for it i have the right to demand for quality wich is why i didn't pay for the first GSL season either.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
April 02 2011 17:09 GMT
#824
On April 03 2011 01:39 reneg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 01:35 Defacer wrote:
On April 03 2011 00:30 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Ok, here is my opinion on the hole thing, western eSports and all.

GSL established a precedent with the pay per view for HQ live and for VODS. This was controvercial at first and maybe it still is. The thing is though, GSL has a frekin TV company behind them. True professionals, the best casters in the world, the best players in the world, a every day lan/ live event. Even so, there have been problems here and there particularly in the first seasons. Is it free in Korea by any chance?

Now, in the west, the same model is being copied. Unfortunately, amateurs are doing this things (compared to professional TV people), the end product, even for a company with somewhat experience like MLG, the resulting product is ... very bad. Completely untested venues, line NASL, that had a very ugly start (the show match) start of with the same "demands" from their costumers as a very professional/ blizzard backed


I think this is a legitimate criticism. If anything, it sees like the NASL is investing too much in a large prize pool and technology and not enough in professional services.

They really need an experienced graphic designer and web developer, for instance.


Yea, i can understand this concern, but i feel like it's similar when i graduated from college a few years ago and was looking for a job.

Everyone wanted to hire someone with 2-3 years experience. Unfortunately for me, it seemed EVERYONE wanted those years of experience. It's difficult to get the experience when no one will hire you because you have no experience.



At some point, someone has to take a chance and try it, which is why i'm willing to "gamble" on games with great players, and i'm sure these guys aren't COMPLETELY in the dark, and have some people with experience



Hey man, LA has some very good art and design schools (Pasadena comes to mind). One of their students could do a much better job, or at the very least help out immensely.

My brother and I could probably rebuilt and redesign their entire site, better, in a week. The truth is they need a month of development minimum to build a reasonably robust back-end. Where both Starcraft nerds so we would probably do it for cheap.

Hmmmm...
dp
Profile Joined August 2003
United States234 Posts
April 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#825
NASL needs to start acting like a business if they want my money. How are you taking payments when you haven't been capable of updating the very many points people have brought up?

Still no 'real' website. No easily accessible information on the league without searching through external forums and thousands of posts is not a good start. No date put up, no schedule, no idea what other things will be included besides the commentary on games.

Then, the points brought up by someone that purchased -

- no test stream or bandwith check for HQ (how can I even know if it is worth to run the 1080p stream they are trying to sell?).

- when entering the presale code, it doesnt actually update the value from 25USD from 20USD before or during confirmation.

- no confirmation e-mail was sent from purchase, nor was it given another sort of detailed receipt.

- after confirmation, I got a link saying "back to NASL but now with more awesome" and is redirected to a standard justin.tv channel stream with a frozen screen. No schedule, no features, no anything yet. Awkward.


Have these points been addressed? Maybe in the future, you should wait until you are ready to launch before you start taking payments. You guys have been behind at every turn, and every simple fix that your potential customers have asked for have been ignored.

"Real website coming soon, will have all you want and more, super awesome!@!~!@".. No. You should be trying to sell me on this. And not with this BS "support esports" stance. You are a business trying to make profit selling a product. From a consumers perspective, don't you think maybe I should at least know what I am paying for?

Instead we are begging for simple information that any reasonable business would realize is necessary to fix. Today. Now.

Honestly the way you guys have handled things makes me less likely to purchase from you in the future. Too much attention has been given to announcing announcements, explaining yourselves on player choices(it is up to your discretion, why you even gave people the idea they could sway your opinion with votes only gives rise to the inevitable negative feedback from people when they don't get their way), and generally trying to manufacture drama.

Be professional. Then maybe people won't be so reluctant to support you, through watching or paying.
:o
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
April 02 2011 17:18 GMT
#826
On April 03 2011 02:06 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 01:48 Kamikiri wrote:
Reading this thread there is so many different arguements going on,
#2 There are the people who expect it to be perfect from the beginning and thats just not the case. The NASL is not going to start off amazingly, i assume everyone remembers what happened when GSL first started with starcraft 2, the first season was somewhat of a disaster but after that it improved and became as amazing as it is now. If you do buy these season tickets it shows support, you should not expect the tournaments to be perfect immediatly, yes NASL has made alot of mistakes thus far but they are showing they want to improve and change things for the better. NASL will improve and it will get better over time. Paying 20$ for 3 months of starcraft content and a 1080p stream is an AMAZING deal, simply AMAZING you will be getting your moneys worth. You have to remember though, e-sports in the west is young, Starcraft 2 is young, it IS growing, but this new tournament, NASL will start off with plenty of mistakes but will grow and become a great tournament. It is the beginning of e-sports booming in the west even more-so than it is already.

So what you are saying is we need to pay for it even tough we know there will be mistakes?
I am all in for esport but money is not something i throw away when i know i don't get my value out of it.
If i just wanted to see the pro's battle against each other there is always youtube/replay sites.
What i expect is professionalism when they do it they way they are doing it atm.
That includes quality casters, no lagg, not stream issues and so forth.
Maybe i am paranoid but that showmatch was not really the best way to convince me.
When i pay money for it i have the right to demand for quality wich is why i didn't pay for the first GSL season either.


Thats fine if you dont want to pay for the first season untill everything gets smoothed out, but what i am saying is the quality is still worth the price because its 3 months for 20$, not expensive at all also the stream is 1080p High quality stream and there is top calibur players playing there, with commentary. It is worth the cost even if there will be mistakes, also for the showmatch issues Incontrol said before on state of the game that something like that will not happen during the actual NASL because him and the other caster will both be together so there wont be replay lag. It was a learning experience.
nforce
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 18:27:43
April 02 2011 18:17 GMT
#827
I subscribed. At least it said that the subscription is successful. I entered the code, but what I would have liked to see is a checkout preview and then to click to pay for it. Now I don't really know that the coupon worked. Is the access to the HD stream directly tied to my JTV account now? Because I can't find anything that says such a thing on JTV/NASL.
(Checked my CC at the bank, payment has been made)

And I hope that I will be able to view a 720p stream because I don't really care for 1080.

EDIT: saw where I can see the purchase - http://www.justin.tv/settings?section=purchases But it says that the price there is 25$ and I believe I was taxed 20$. Any way to know for sure?
Endrew
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland73 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 18:35:27
April 02 2011 18:31 GMT
#828
I would subscribe right now if I only knew everything would work well. But I don't know, and since I have bad experience with JustinTV I'm not gonna take the risk. I really hope there will be a chance to try out the premium service for free first.

Whats more, with the schedule not being released yet, I'm not gonna pay for the show that might be taking place in night hours in my timezone.
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
April 02 2011 18:32 GMT
#829
I'm gonna wait to see whether it's worth my money. I'm begrudgingly paying for GOM right now but the production quality, casting, and level of play are all so good it's worth it.

I have to admit, I'm not thrilled about this business model. I understand it's hard to get advertisers to invest in something unproven... but now we have to. The goal for anything like this should be 100% support from ads/sponsors with no direct cost to the consumer. It's disappointing to see they are starting about as far as possible from that point.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 18:39:12
April 02 2011 18:34 GMT
#830
On April 03 2011 01:33 LittLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 00:25 arb wrote:
Not paying for something i watch online ever.

And im not paying for anything with commercials either

Everything will be online in the future (If it ain't already)

You're gonna miss out. What's the difference between buying a ticket to a sport stadium to watch matches than to buy an online ticket to watch eSport matches?

I don't get it

Theres a free stream, and unless its in square quality(as in blocks to watch) id prefere to watch that, i mean what are you gonna miss? Not a whole lot.

And if the quality's shit, well sucks for me im not paying 25$ to watch it. Can get vods or restreams for free(and if i was interested in watching the games id probably do this anyway). And if they block those out, then congrats people who paid for the stream and had to work or something of that nature got shit on in the long run.

Thats why ill never pay.

EDIT: Also look at all the people who paid for MLG and get shitty stream quality, streams going down constantly and all of that.

Why would i pay when i havent even seen how NASL streams will be?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Dawski
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada435 Posts
April 02 2011 18:44 GMT
#831
sorry i wont pay for anything that hasnt been "battle tested" per se. All weve seen of NASL is the jinro/idra showmatch and that was a big upset with the commentary not synched with the shown game time
do you REALLY want additional pylons?
nforce
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria116 Posts
April 02 2011 18:45 GMT
#832
On April 03 2011 03:44 Dawski wrote:
sorry i wont pay for anything that hasnt been "battle tested" per se. All weve seen of NASL is the jinro/idra showmatch and that was a big upset with the commentary not synched with the shown game time

That was not from NASL, it was a platform where they announce the league.
Dawski
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada435 Posts
April 02 2011 18:46 GMT
#833
On April 03 2011 03:45 nforce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 03:44 Dawski wrote:
sorry i wont pay for anything that hasnt been "battle tested" per se. All weve seen of NASL is the jinro/idra showmatch and that was a big upset with the commentary not synched with the shown game time

That was not from NASL, it was a platform where they announce the league.


they announced it as a showing of what was to come in the NASL..so i feel my comment stands
do you REALLY want additional pylons?
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 02 2011 18:47 GMT
#834
I don't get it.
--------------------


Is it because the majority of people complaining about commercials or subscriptions fees are too young, ignorant, or are they really so self-entitled?

I'd even be willing to guess that the majority of people unwilling to pay and complain can afford it. There are probably a few that must exercise control and not purchase it due to financial reasons, but I'd guess that it a minority.

I don't get it!

Business requires customers. Customers are required to pay. If you are consuming a product, why do you assume you should get it for free? If someone has something you want, or is offering something you want, it is only fair and proper to trade something of equal value with that person.

NASL is going to a lot of trouble, working very hard, and spending tons of money to deliver this product to you. And as a marketing manager I can tell you this, you as the consumer, watching an Ad IS NOT ENOUGH. These companies track the efficacy of each channel they advertise on and guess what? If no one buys the product from that channel they do not continue to advertise there.

I'm not going to get to detailed, but the vast majority of people are completely clueless as to how the online marketing and advertising models work. It can be extremely difficult to make money; extremely.

So when you see things like commercials, and subscriptions fees, just keep this in the back of your head: these things are not optional, but absolutely 100% REQUIRED to work or that product/service will no longer exist.

I'm speaking more generally here than specifically with NASL, but I see this type of attitude festering in this community all the time. It drives me nuts.
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fuzzz
Profile Joined October 2010
267 Posts
April 02 2011 18:53 GMT
#835
On April 03 2011 03:47 TimeSpiral wrote:
I don't get it.
--------------------


Is it because the majority of people complaining about commercials or subscriptions fees are too young, ignorant, or are they really so self-entitled?

I'd even be willing to guess that the majority of people unwilling to pay and complain can afford it. There are probably a few that must exercise control and not purchase it due to financial reasons, but I'd guess that it a minority.

I don't get it!

Business requires customers. Customers are required to pay. If you are consuming a product, why do you assume you should get it for free? If someone has something you want, or is offering something you want, it is only fair and proper to trade something of equal value with that person.

NASL is going to a lot of trouble, working very hard, and spending tons of money to deliver this product to you. And as a marketing manager I can tell you this, you as the consumer, watching an Ad IS NOT ENOUGH. These companies track the efficacy of each channel they advertise on and guess what? If no one buys the product from that channel they do not continue to advertise there.

I'm not going to get to detailed, but the vast majority of people are completely clueless as to how the online marketing and advertising models work. It can be extremely difficult to make money; extremely.

So when you see things like commercials, and subscriptions fees, just keep this in the back of your head: these things are not optional, but absolutely 100% REQUIRED to work or that product/service will no longer exist.

I'm speaking more generally here than specifically with NASL, but I see this type of attitude festering in this community all the time. It drives me nuts.


a business has to have a GOOD product to have a chance on the free market. ppl do not want to buy blindly. therefore ppl will first see if its worth it and buy it later. just look at gom. lot of ppl didnt buy it at first, they then have seen that the production quality was worth it and did subscribe. mlg fails at quality as we see right now. maybe next time...


usa lol
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 18:56:57
April 02 2011 18:56 GMT
#836
On April 03 2011 03:47 TimeSpiral wrote:
I don't get it.
--------------------


Is it because the majority of people complaining about commercials or subscriptions fees are too young, ignorant, or are they really so self-entitled?

I'd even be willing to guess that the majority of people unwilling to pay and complain can afford it. There are probably a few that must exercise control and not purchase it due to financial reasons, but I'd guess that it a minority.

I don't get it!

Business requires customers. Customers are required to pay. If you are consuming a product, why do you assume you should get it for free? If someone has something you want, or is offering something you want, it is only fair and proper to trade something of equal value with that person.

NASL is going to a lot of trouble, working very hard, and spending tons of money to deliver this product to you. And as a marketing manager I can tell you this, you as the consumer, watching an Ad IS NOT ENOUGH. These companies track the efficacy of each channel they advertise on and guess what? If no one buys the product from that channel they do not continue to advertise there.

I'm not going to get to detailed, but the vast majority of people are completely clueless as to how the online marketing and advertising models work. It can be extremely difficult to make money; extremely.

So when you see things like commercials, and subscriptions fees, just keep this in the back of your head: these things are not optional, but absolutely 100% REQUIRED to work or that product/service will no longer exist.

I'm speaking more generally here than specifically with NASL, but I see this type of attitude festering in this community all the time. It drives me nuts.

No one had seen what gom had to offer during GSL Season 1, people bought and what did they get?

A shitty stream lots of freezing and all of that.
Why would anyone pay for an untested product? Would you go out and buy a car for example that hadnt been tested? And its actually one of the most unsafe ones on the market?
No? Didnt think so.

Stop pulling the "horr dorr too young and ignorant" card cause it just doesnt work. No one in thier right mind is going to buy something when they havent even see what it has to offer yet.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 02 2011 18:57 GMT
#837
so... where is the game...?
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
April 02 2011 19:00 GMT
#838
$25 is nothing now that the dollar is so "low". Will buy a season pass.
God is dead.
Seriox
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany373 Posts
April 02 2011 19:03 GMT
#839
I wait until someone confirms that the HQ stream is running fine.
Sceptor87
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada266 Posts
April 02 2011 19:03 GMT
#840
Nah. Thing is I want to see how everything is run and how the matches will be casted and handled before blowing 20 bucks right away on something. And even then it's probably a long shot. One of the only reasons, in my eyes, to get a GSL pass is for the VOD's because of the time difference and some people might not want to wait until 4 in the morning to watch a match. But being that I'm in North America, and this is the North American StarLeague that won't be an issue.

Down the road if it's worth it maybe it might be a good investment to support the guys doing it, but being that it's the first run most likely not.
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