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I didn't buy GSL season 1 pass, so i won't buy NASL's season 1 pass either. Never know how it will be in the end.
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Fantastic deal. What the fuck are people bitching about? Do they want NASL to fail? It seems like all the community has done is shit on the whole concept to begin with.
25$ 3 months. Totally awesome, im used to 15 a month for GSL. So this is totally fantastic.
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I'm honestly not planning on watching this live, honestly there are maybe three days I can try to watch starcraft live, so no matter the tournament I usually end up watching vods for the most part, although I catch some live.
But why would I pay $20 for this tournament? I mean I'm already paying for GSL and ya it supports western esports, but I'm not going to start or continue paying such an outrageous price. Can someone tell me why it's $20 and not $10 like the GSL? If it was maybe then I'd pay for it, because currently months where both the GSL and NASL go I'd end up paying $30 for starcraft 2 vods, not worth it.
This is classic western money bullshit, they are just trying to get everything out of us that they can, and since it's the first tournament it may not even go to well, so maybe if this is what it's supposed to be I'll buy the ticket for other seasons, and that's a maybe.
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On April 02 2011 07:10 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 07:08 Baarn wrote:On April 02 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:59 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) How can you say that they're not putting as much effort? NASL is a startup company with a small team, and GOM is large company with existing sources of income from different areas other than eSports. GOM can afford to put the money because the scene already existed from BW. NASL is brand new and is a small team. You're comparisons are atrocious, and you expect top notch quality from something which is new and risky in the western hemisphere. Like I said in my previous post, GomTV didn't charge for anything when they were first starting to get into E-Sports for the foreigners (that I remember). You can't come out with a BRAND NEW LEAGUE and charge only 2$ less than a established league with over 2+ years of experiencing. TSL has amazing production, and very professional. They've also been around for quite some time, they charge absolutely nothing, just ask for you to turn off your adblock. I can go to youtube and search any TSL game I want and can watch it easily, np. NASL is just starting out, but you have to pay 25$ to watch VODs, not to mention they actually play ads even after you paid (for whatever reason). What is wrong with just doing it like TSL and making money off your ad revenue or whatever they call it? They aren't hosting their own stream, they are using a provider just like NASL will be, except for some reason NASL thinks they are worth 25$ more than TSL. Why not use your amazing production skills and make your own tournament then not charge anyone since your time is so invaluable? Or the free option, since you like free obv, just not pay $25 and move on. Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 07:10 tsuxiit wrote:On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) How is $400,000 not enough money for you? Why should the NASL put all that money into production values instead of what actually matters, which is the longevity of the league? NASL doesn't succeed by having people bitch about the price (which, again, to compare, is approximately that of a large pizza!) and having retards on forums claim they can run a "Huko's Bedroom Starcraft League!™ It's Really Good!™" themselves better than they can, as if it takes no effort, planning, business plan, hard work or time. In the end, it succeeds by taking people like you and getting them to realize that ceaselessly bitching about the product being presented to you (and, to take it a step further, HOPING IT FAILS) isn't how you help the situation. The people behind the NASL couldn't be more open to criticism. Quit being a dick. I simply read the OP, it asked a question about if I will be paying for the ticket, I voted and now I am explaining my reasoning....
Yeah but you keep pulling numbers out of your ass like you know what their expenses are compared to everyone else. Which just kills any of your points that you are trying to make.
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On April 02 2011 07:11 PrinceXizor wrote:
not going to buy a single ticket until they change the way players get into the event. after that i'll likely buy one every season. Probably won't even watch the games this season though probably just go to the LR thread and read the play by play.
What the hell? How are you going to judge whether or not you should purchase season 2 when you won't even watch season 1?
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On April 02 2011 07:08 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 07:05 MechaCthulhu wrote:On April 02 2011 07:02 kaileah wrote:
... (constant changing of the rules... Wow. Everyone complains about the rules, then complains that the rules aren't getting changed based on community feedback, then NASL says "Okay, we've heard the complaints about our rules and you've convinced us. We're changing them," then people start complaining about them "constant"ly changing the rules. Amazing. This is why companies rarely pay attention to complaints. You'll always piss someone off. don't take it out of context. i said that as an example of their lack of direction which is completely valid. i'm not saying whether or not they should change them but the fact that they do is concerning. edit: when you quote, quote the whole thing by the way. i said "...along with the fact that they seem to be really confused with what direction they're taking (constant changing of the rules, fluctuation of what they say one day and then another) really leads to a lack of confidence." don't mislead people intentionally.
I quoted the relevant part that I was responding to.
The context is irrelevant in this case. You're complaining about a change--why you're complaining is irrelevant if I'm only point out that someone will complain whether you make a change based on feedback or if you don't.
So, it doesn't matter if they make a good change, or a bad change in your eyes--any change at all is a cause for concern? If they announced prices for the season would be $1000, then people said "that's retarded" and they responded "You're right. Let's make it $25 instead", you'd be complaining because they were willing to listen to feedback and make changes? That's absolutely ridiculous.
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NASL is an online tournament with IMO lesser casters, so I don't see it being able to compete with GSL for people with limited money. Also I'm against having to pay to watch VODS as that is something that keeps people from entering the community. I wouldn't be here, if it weren't for free Blizzcon VODS from 2008.
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I, NECROPATH, N00B PLATINUM PROTOSS, will be paying for this. Why? Because I enjoy being entertained and don't feel a need to shit all over a budding concept. I will bravely fork over $25.00 for three months of endless Starcraft 2 content, content in the knowledge that, like the GSL, my money will go towards improving what may be a shit product. Like InControl I will GORGE myself on Starcraft material, and I will love every greasy second of it.
I'm on a laptop.
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On April 02 2011 06:45 Better than IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:40 tezukazone wrote:On April 02 2011 06:24 Klonere wrote:On April 02 2011 06:23 tezukazone wrote:On April 02 2011 06:10 ShotoElite wrote:On April 02 2011 06:08 tezukazone wrote:
Sorry but ...if you pay 150$ for NBA league pass, you get to watch a full season. You wouldn't pay the same amount of $150 for a NBA D-league pass, regardless if the season was twice as long. Sports and competitive games are more fun to watch when played at the highest levels.. and NASL is basically the minor leagues of starcraft2, so if they want people to pay there needs to be much better reasons justifying the equivalent price tag to GSL. NASL is not the minor leagues of starcraft2.... your comparisons are waaaaay off lol I don't understand what is off by my comparisons, maybe other people have their "favorite" players they personally follow and would like to watch, maybe making this league more attractive to them. But other than that, the best players wont be playing here. Which means this isn't the most prestigious league. Which means it is not the MAJOR LEAGUES. If I am wrong about something, feel free to correct me, but I am under the assumption that they are doing their best to restrict Koreans and "foreigners"(non Americans in this case) from this league. Which is going to drastically lower the skill level and honestly I watch starcraft2 to see the best of the best, maybe others feel differently. ROOT.KiWiKaKi TLAF-Liquid`TLO EG.Grubby ST_RainBOw mouz.MorroW FXO.qxc dignitas.SjoW Duckload.White-Ra oGs.Ensnare ST_July dignitas.NaNiwa EG.Axslav ST_Squirtle oGs.NaDa dignitas.SeleCT ST_Ace TLAF-Liquid`Ret oGs.MC EG.IdrA aTn.Socke FnaticMSI.Sen TLAF-Liquid`Tyler oGs.Zenio SlayerS_BoxeR Your seriously telling me that this group of players are NOT the Major Leagues? I'm not going to lie, I had not seen that list of players, but I am still skeptical of NASL. Sure that list is pretty decent, but half those players are still code-A or below... so yes, it is not quite Major Leagues. Unless by Major League, you mean like Major League soccer, where a few old super stars come to retire and relax. Put it this way, I did not pay for GSL until like the Code-S stuff started, I watched it till then but didn't think it was worth buying till the 4th or 5th season or so, where they had established a very professional service and high-quality matches with the most premier players. NASL has big shoes to fill if they want money from people like me, who probably are satisfied/only have time to watch one big tournament at a time. Like I said before, this is not a major league cast. There's like 3-4 players here I really want to watch play, the rest I could really care less(as proven by how bored I was watching some of these foreigners in GSL). Code A or below LOLOLOL You obviously don't watch the GSL. Not only are most of the Korean Invites in Code S but all of them are... better than IdrA.
I did not follow every single up and down match, but from what I gather...
ST_RainBOw -OK, hes good, better than average Code-S player sure, almost underrated at times
oGs.Ensnare - didnt he go to up and downs? didnt he lose? i forget, but washed up beta- player
ST_July - obviously doing really well right now
ST_Squirtle - fluke 1-match wins in GSTL (3-game+ series against each player would've yieled VERY DIFFERENT results), and hes not even in Code-A anymore , right?
oGs.NaDa - one of the best, sure
ST_Ace - not nearly as good as people think he is, not even in code-S is he?
oGs.MC - ok probably the best atm
oGs.Zenio - super inconsistent zerg barely scraping away at bottom of Code S last couple seasons?
SlayerS_BoxeR - no comment necessary, respected but washed up completely.
So, MC, nada, Rainbow, July. Like I said, there will be 3-4 players worth watching in NASL. Rest are flukes, bottom-scrapers barely hanging on, or not even in code-s. If you got more accurate information about results feel free to expand upon my analysis.
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On April 02 2011 07:01 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) I guess you could also front the prize money? Disregarding that, some of you who have never received a business education in your life need to stfu about "oh the price is way way too high because i think i know how much it costs to create this entire production". A. You have no fucking idea. B. Pricing by cost is retarded. C. You have no fucking idea. Seriously. All you can do is weigh the $25 against the value of the production that you perceive (which is in the air at the moment). Then you decide to pay or not to pay. Maybe give a reasonable opinion about why you're not interested in shelling out $25 just yet. Going on and on about "oh I can create this production easy, how dare they think about charging me" makes you sound so incredibly naive and entitled.
QFT. The ignorance on these forums / in this thread is amazing. I can't wait for NASL, just bought my ticket.
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On April 02 2011 07:13 Tomfour wrote:
I'm honestly not planning on watching this live, honestly there are maybe three days I can try to watch starcraft live, so no matter the tournament I usually end up watching vods for the most part, although I catch some live.
But why would I pay $20 for this tournament? I mean I'm already paying for GSL and ya it supports western esports, but I'm not going to start or continue paying such an outrageous price. Can someone tell me why it's $20 and not $10 like the GSL? If it was maybe then I'd pay for it, because currently months where both the GSL and NASL go I'd end up paying $30 for starcraft 2 vods, not worth it.
This is classic western money bullshit, they are just trying to get everything out of us that they can, and since it's the first tournament it may not even go to well, so maybe if this is what it's supposed to be I'll buy the ticket for other seasons, and that's a maybe.
This is classic western not-reading-what's-been-posted bullshit. You get three months of NASL for $20 if you buy now, with more games than there are in GSL.
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I voted no. The things they give are great, but for $25 I expect not to get commercials.
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dont like the way the run their tournament. so no sry.
the fake drama groups
demuslim/nightend story
playerpicks
production/website
right now they did nearly everything wrong.
yeah no for me.
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On April 02 2011 07:17 Creep wrote:
I voted no. The things they give are great, but for $25 I expect not to get commercials.
You're absolutely fucking right.
I pay 60$ a month for Cable, and I expect no commercials for any of my shows.
WTF COMCAST, GET WITH THE PROGRAM!
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ill probably buy it, wanna support esports.
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I probably won't pay out of principle, money not an issue.
More expensive than GSL with what i'm sure will be much lower production value. Inferior players, inferior casters, most of the league's matches take place online - which obviously decreases the entertainment factor by a lot. They also try to copy GSL's business model by heart without adding anything new or innovative. Plus they screwed over my friend Nightend with that shady no Visa excuse.
Paid for every GSL season thus far, and it gives me more SC2 entertainment than i have time for.
But who knows, if they clean up their act and actually deliver the goods, i might give NASL a chance. Somehow i doubt it.
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On April 02 2011 07:16 tezukazone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:45 Better than IdrA wrote:On April 02 2011 06:40 tezukazone wrote:On April 02 2011 06:24 Klonere wrote:On April 02 2011 06:23 tezukazone wrote:On April 02 2011 06:10 ShotoElite wrote:On April 02 2011 06:08 tezukazone wrote:
Sorry but ...if you pay 150$ for NBA league pass, you get to watch a full season. You wouldn't pay the same amount of $150 for a NBA D-league pass, regardless if the season was twice as long. Sports and competitive games are more fun to watch when played at the highest levels.. and NASL is basically the minor leagues of starcraft2, so if they want people to pay there needs to be much better reasons justifying the equivalent price tag to GSL. NASL is not the minor leagues of starcraft2.... your comparisons are waaaaay off lol I don't understand what is off by my comparisons, maybe other people have their "favorite" players they personally follow and would like to watch, maybe making this league more attractive to them. But other than that, the best players wont be playing here. Which means this isn't the most prestigious league. Which means it is not the MAJOR LEAGUES. If I am wrong about something, feel free to correct me, but I am under the assumption that they are doing their best to restrict Koreans and "foreigners"(non Americans in this case) from this league. Which is going to drastically lower the skill level and honestly I watch starcraft2 to see the best of the best, maybe others feel differently. ROOT.KiWiKaKi TLAF-Liquid`TLO EG.Grubby ST_RainBOw mouz.MorroW FXO.qxc dignitas.SjoW Duckload.White-Ra oGs.Ensnare ST_July dignitas.NaNiwa EG.Axslav ST_Squirtle oGs.NaDa dignitas.SeleCT ST_Ace TLAF-Liquid`Ret oGs.MC EG.IdrA aTn.Socke FnaticMSI.Sen TLAF-Liquid`Tyler oGs.Zenio SlayerS_BoxeR Your seriously telling me that this group of players are NOT the Major Leagues? I'm not going to lie, I had not seen that list of players, but I am still skeptical of NASL. Sure that list is pretty decent, but half those players are still code-A or below... so yes, it is not quite Major Leagues. Unless by Major League, you mean like Major League soccer, where a few old super stars come to retire and relax. Put it this way, I did not pay for GSL until like the Code-S stuff started, I watched it till then but didn't think it was worth buying till the 4th or 5th season or so, where they had established a very professional service and high-quality matches with the most premier players. NASL has big shoes to fill if they want money from people like me, who probably are satisfied/only have time to watch one big tournament at a time. Like I said before, this is not a major league cast. There's like 3-4 players here I really want to watch play, the rest I could really care less(as proven by how bored I was watching some of these foreigners in GSL). Code A or below LOLOLOL You obviously don't watch the GSL. Not only are most of the Korean Invites in Code S but all of them are... better than IdrA. I did not follow every single up and down match, but from what I gather... ST_RainBOw -OK, hes good, better than average Code-S player sure, almost underrated at times oGs.Ensnare - didnt he go to up and downs? didnt he lose? i forget, but washed up beta- player ST_July - obviously doing really well right now ST_Squirtle - fluke 1-match wins in GSTL (3-game+ series against each player would've yieled VERY DIFFERENT results), and hes not even in Code-A anymore , right? oGs.NaDa - one of the best, sure ST_Ace - not nearly as good as people think he is, not even in code-S is he? oGs.MC - ok probably the best atm oGs.Zenio - super inconsistent zerg barely scraping away at bottom of Code S last couple seasons? SlayerS_BoxeR - no comment necessary, respected but washed up completely. So, MC, nada, Rainbow, July. Like I said, there will be 3-4 players worth watching in NASL. Rest are flukes, bottom-scrapers barely hanging on, or not even in code-s. If you got more accurate information about results feel free to expand upon my analysis.
That's a really cool account you created just to troll this thread.
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There's not enough time in the day to watch all the GOM VODs
Two leagues is just too much to follow fully. I'll just tune in for the big games
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On April 02 2011 07:19 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 07:17 Creep wrote:
I voted no. The things they give are great, but for $25 I expect not to get commercials. You're absolutely fucking right. I pay 60$ a month for Cable, and I expect no commercials for any of my shows. WTF COMCAST, GET WITH THE PROGRAM!
I don't buy cable for the same reason.
People have different standards.
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To the people who think NASL will fail if you don't give them your 25$. You're wrong. NASL will fail if nobody watches it and the sponsors don't feel like they got their money's worth. If the VODs (and HQ stream) are worth your money, then it's worth your money. Stop hating on people that just want to watch the games live and not pay 25$ for extra shit that doesn't even matter to them.
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