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NASL Season 1 Passes - $25 - Page 24
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PietjeP89
Belgium83 Posts
And to be honest, I can't keep most of the korean players apart anyway | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:24 Tump wrote: I wont be paying. I'll be watching for free, though. I wonder if they will add a vod only option. I can't really stream HQ but want the vods so it seems a bit of a waste to buy in and only get half of the moneys worth. Can someone maybe ask them or pitch it to them? Also GSL is a live event and they say they use the money to upgrade the international stream quality. What exactly is the money for in this case? Not being picky, I'm just interested in what growth they expect to do. | ||
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kaileah
171 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:15 MechaCthulhu wrote: I quoted the relevant part that I was responding to. The context is irrelevant in this case. You're complaining about a change--why you're complaining is irrelevant if I'm only point out that someone will complain whether you make a change based on feedback or if you don't. So, it doesn't matter if they make a good change, or a bad change in your eyes--any change at all is a cause for concern? If they announced prices for the season would be $1000, then people said "that's retarded" and they responded "You're right. Let's make it $25 instead", you'd be complaining because they were willing to listen to feedback and make changes? That's absolutely ridiculous. context is always relevant. the fact that they change so many times so frequently and arbitrarily is a concern and it should be for you too. your parents say 'hey, we're going to send you to college'. 'ok we're not'. 'i think we can'. 'count on it!'. 'ok maybe not'. 'we'll see next year'. 'we'll find a way'. if thats what you're told constantly, would you be confident? a rational person would not. the lack of confidence also leaks into other areas as well which is hwo long will they be around? sustainability? how much of the costs are out of need and how much is it of want? what i'm saying is that changes so quickly = lack of confidence where as you say everyone complains regardless! which is another argument all together. | ||
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zasda
381 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:19 AlexDeLarge wrote: I probably won't pay out of principle, money not an issue. More expensive than GSL with what i'm sure will be much lower production value. Inferior players, inferior casters, most of the league's matches take place online - which obviously decreases the entertainment factor by a lot. They also try to copy GSL's business model by heart without adding anything new or innovative. Plus they screwed over my friend Nightend with that shady no Visa excuse. Paid for every GSL season thus far, and it gives me more SC2 entertainment than i have time for. But who knows, if they clean up their act and actually deliver the goods, i might give NASL a chance. Somehow i doubt it. yeah seriously..ppl should just stop even comparing it to the GSL , nasal won't come even close | ||
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Oracle
Canada411 Posts
HD UFC is $59.99 on pay per view. A pitcher at a bar is $20~ (with tip). A shot at a club is $7. So yeah its not unreasonable what they charge. Then again all the things I listed above is complete exploitation. Entertainment is pricey these days, but $25 isn't much. Coupled with the (warranted) scepticism stemming from previous NASL PR, I can understand why people wouldn't pay. To be honest, I don't like starcraft 2. I think its a bad game, and I don't want to cultivate e-sports. If e-sports ever gets to the level of regular sports where talented individuals are paid undeserving millions a year to do what they do, I'll be very sad. But, I do like how it is right now. So maybe I'll end up buying it. Or even talk to my roommates and split the bill, for a shared account. That's not so bad, and something avid starcraft fans should consider doing. | ||
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JamesSwift
United States71 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:19 Almin wrote: You're absolutely fucking right. I pay 60$ a month for Cable, and I expect no commercials for any of my shows. WTF COMCAST, GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Not wanting to pay because of commercials is a legit complaint. If I pay extra on top of my service, analagous to getting HBO or another premium network, then I expect no commercials. And for my vote, no I won't buy it because 1) I have no guarantee of anything in the league beyond a poorly produced showmatch and 2) all signs are that it is not going to deliver on its promises (no start date yet and you are ready to charge for the programming?!?!?! get with the freaking program) | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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tezukazone
7 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:20 garlicface wrote: That's a really cool account you created just to troll this thread. Don't agree with what someone says: call troll! You can 1) disagree and state why 2) say nothing of value. Which did you just do? Who is the troll? I did just create this account, I've never had a TL account before or posted on TL ever before. Reading this massive hype about NASL and being bored at home sick has motivated me to post for the first time ever, and input my opinion on the subject. I'm sorry you think I am trolling, but I honestly don't see why this league is so hyped when the organization seems bad, its very unprofessional, and like I said, does not have all of the best players to be considered the most prestigious tournament. So, Mr. Troll-identifier, what made me such a troll? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:19 AlexDeLarge wrote: I probably won't pay out of principle, money not an issue. More expensive than GSL with what i'm sure will be much lower production value. Inferior players, inferior casters, most of the league's matches take place online - which obviously decreases the entertainment factor by a lot. They also try to copy GSL's business model by heart without adding anything new or innovative. Plus they screwed over my friend Nightend with that shady no Visa excuse. Paid for every GSL season thus far, and it gives me more SC2 entertainment than i have time for. But who knows, if they clean up their act and actually deliver the goods, i might give NASL a chance. Somehow i doubt it. While I'm certainly do not share this sentiment, which I consider immature, pompous and ignorant, I am going to reserve judgement until I watch the live stream and see the quality of the games/production. It's not that the value isn't 'fair' -- 15 hours minimum of Starcraft a week, for three months, is a lot of value. It's that it's almost too much product for a market that is getting more and more crowded. You have to be a pretty diehard fan to actually watch that much Starcraft. If I did subscribe, I'd have to choose between NASL or GSL. I have the money to afford both, but not the time. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
But those people saying that $25 is flat out too much or they're "not paying out of principle" are literally morons. As long as the tournament is run professionally and there are high quality games (both remain to be seen, but that's not what these people are arguing), $20 for 3 months of content is incredibly cheap and a better deal for entertainment than you will find anywhere, doing anything, except maybe sitting on your couch and staring at the wall (except you still have to pay for the couch). The sense of entitlement people possess these days is staggering. If you don't think hundreds of Starcraft series' over 3 months isn't worth $20 then you obviously don't like watching Starcraft or you make $2 an hour. Or the more likely third option is that you are dirt cheap and want to be given shit for free. Again this is assuming the games are good and the tournament structure is solid. If those hold true then I will definitely be shelling out $25 for a pass. EDIT: The poster above me has a valid point, with all this Starcraft content I may not have the time to watch GSL/NASL. Cross that bridge when I come to it though. | ||
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
Although the amount of content being presented is amazing, this is pretty damn sad. Giant event and we don't even have an official announcement of its beginning less than a week before its going to start? My facebook status updates are more organized than that. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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icouldcareless
United States96 Posts
The amount of content is also not necessarily a good thing, and certainly does not equal the value of 2 GSL leagues plus a GSL team event. The pool stages of a tournament are often filled with lopsided or boring matches and this is what most of the broadcasted schedule will consist of. Most of the early matches in GSL Code A are terrible. I expect that most of the group stage games, especially the early ones, will not be particularly interesting. Just like the NBA season doesn't pick up until after the all-star break, the NASL probably won't pick up until the mid point where we get the suspense of people having to win or else getting knocked out of the league. That being said, I'll still probably watch some of the NASL matches live on the free stream since there will be some good games. They just have not given me a good reason to pay for the premium access. | ||
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dmillz
Canada270 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:31 tezukazone wrote: Don't agree with what someone says: call troll! You can 1) disagree and state why 2) say nothing of value. Which did you just do? Who is the troll? I did just create this account, I've never had a TL account before or posted on TL ever before. Reading this massive hype about NASL and being bored at home sick has motivated me to post for the first time ever, and input my opinion on the subject. I'm sorry you think I am trolling, but I honestly don't see why this league is so hyped when the organization seems bad, its very unprofessional, and like I said, does not have all of the best players to be considered the most prestigious tournament. So, Mr. Troll-identifier, what made me such a troll? I don't think you're a troll, but I don't think your argument is very strong. The GSL is a weak comparison, if your using it as the basis for judging the quality of a player. If you followed GSL intently, you would know that it's an extremely volatile tournament format that does not consistently reward 'the best player'. Almost all the past championship have nearly fallen out of code S -- and that is not because they are suddenly bad players. If anything, what is exciting about the NASL division format is that the best players will most likely advance based on a cumulative record against their division. This is potentially a much better way of rewding the best players than the GSL, TSL or MLG. If you looked at overall results across multiple tournaments, you'd recognized that the NASL tournament is actually quite stacked, with a handful of underdogs and fan favorites. Even the fan favorites have had significant historical milestones. | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
But who know's, I might just shell out the $20 bucks to support it and then watch whatever games I feel would be good to watch, god knows I waste more then 20 bucks on other things I don't need lol. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:13 Cha1R wrote: Fantastic deal. What the fuck are people bitching about? Do they want NASL to fail? It seems like all the community has done is shit on the whole concept to begin with. 25$ 3 months. Totally awesome, im used to 15 a month for GSL. So this is totally fantastic. I'm used to not paying to watch Starcraft at all. Edit for explanation; I gotta lol at the people saying WOW $25 IS NOT MUCH AT ALL FOR SO MUCH STARCRAFT!! when it's only really even happened that some are paying to watch tournaments at all. Hell you can go to the MSL or OSL finals for free and watch live. $25 isn't shit to me but this change doesn't sit right with me personally. I'd like to see Starcraft run as a non-profit sport especially since it's such a niche. When i pay to watch Football/Soccer the money goes back into teams and therefore players if it's on television or at the actual game. Some teams make a profit ontop of that but that's fine, cause least it's going to the team. Although some money will go to the people who run the Premier League, it's a tiny amount of the total and used to pay people who organize it all. In the NASL all the money appears to go to the organizers (since i'm gonna assume prize money is from sponsors, not gonna rely on spectators to pay it). While some people might quote other sports which run like this, i'd prefer it the other way. I know people go on about supporting eSports a lot, but i support teams and players; I'm not paying to turn a profit for the organizers. The scene is too small for that, it's already very hard for teams and players to support themselves so that's where i want my money, if any money at all, going. But hey everyone's entitled to their opinion on this, and i can see why some people would see it as totally fair. But the fact there's already multiple tournaments popping up with subscriptions is sort of alarming to me at least. | ||
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