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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:29 integral wrote: Definitely buying a pass. Think about it, guys, you're supporting the careers of players that couldn't do this otherwise. Only the prizes go to the players though that's it? Like i explained in my posts it doesn't seem to be supporting the careers of players at all unless the subscriptions are going to be evenly given out among the players, which would be extremely unfair considering it was an invitational. | ||
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Stuv
Netherlands942 Posts
Even popular sports in Europe have a hard time attracting viewers with subscriptions. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:00 Oceaniax wrote: I don't think the price is unreasonable, but as more and more tournaments pop up with pay streams/vods, the more selective people, including myself, will be. I'm sure there are some people who will pay for NASL, MLG, GSL & more every month, but I think most people will choose their favorite tournament and follow the others through the free options, or not at all. More options for consumers is fantastic, but I wonder how some of these tournaments will survive as the consumers willing to pay for premium services are stretched thin. This kind of sums up my view as well. It's not that $25 is unreasonable ... but I do thinkit's an ambitious price point to enter the market with. If there was a way they can offer more affordable packages -- like a rate for the entire season and a separate rate for the round of 16 only -- they would probably get more customers. | ||
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Kryptonite
United States155 Posts
On April 02 2011 04:41 Jerax wrote: Yeah, I don't think so. Can't see the logic behind paying for it and having to watch commercials as well. Don't you pay for cable television and have to watch commercials? | ||
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:29 integral wrote: Definitely buying a pass. Think about it, guys, you're supporting the careers of players that couldn't do this otherwise. No, you're supporting NASL's wallet. The sponsors are already supporting the players. The money for HD stream and VODs doesn't get to the players, end of discussion. 25$ for something that costs PENNIES? It's not because it's worth 25$, it's because they know you'll pay it. | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On April 02 2011 04:36 CptGrackSparrow wrote: Minimal commercial interruption Instantly voted No because of that. I don't want to have to pay $25 for a HD pass and have to sit through commercials in between games if I watch the live cast, or before VODs in my own time. | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:36 dANiELcanuck wrote: No, you're supporting NASL's wallet. The sponsors are already supporting the players. The money for HD stream and VODs doesn't get to the players, end of discussion. 25$ for something that costs PENNIES? It's not because it's worth 25$, it's because they know you'll pay it. Costs ... pennies? How much do you think it costs to run a successful starcraft league? You think everyone is doing this for free? Why would you make something up when you clearly have no idea? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:53 infinity2k9 wrote: I'm used to not paying to watch Starcraft at all. Edit for explanation; I gotta lol at the people saying WOW $25 IS NOT MUCH AT ALL FOR SO MUCH STARCRAFT!! when it's only really even happened that some are paying to watch tournaments at all. Hell you can go to the MSL or OSL finals for free and watch live. $25 isn't shit to me but this change doesn't sit right with me personally. I'd like to see Starcraft run as a non-profit sport especially since it's such a niche. When i pay to watch Football/Soccer the money goes back into teams and therefore players if it's on television or at the actual game. Some teams make a profit ontop of that but that's fine, cause least it's going to the team. Although some money will go to the people who run the Premier League, it's a tiny amount of the total and used to pay people who organize it all. In the NASL all the money appears to go to the organizers (since i'm gonna assume prize money is from sponsors, not gonna rely on spectators to pay it). While some people might quote other sports which run like this, i'd prefer it the other way. I know people go on about supporting eSports a lot, but i support teams and players; I'm not paying to turn a profit for the organizers. The scene is too small for that, it's already very hard for teams and players to support themselves so that's where i want my money, if any money at all, going. But hey everyone's entitled to their opinion on this, and i can see why some people would see it as totally fair. But the fact there's already multiple tournaments popping up with subscriptions is sort of alarming to me at least. There prize pool is massive. I'm not sure its fair to say all the money goes to the organizers, when you consider the capital cost of launching something like this. And how exactly does a non-profit sport league work, or even remain competitive? Without profit, there would be no rewards for the organizers or players. It's just a hobby or avocation, like darts or skeet shooting or some other non-sport. I hear what your saying but you're expectations are unrealistic. Either a tournament is going to have to become heavily subsidized by sponsors or have subcription-based content. The problem with Starcraft is that it's an online game -- there's no stadiums, or tradtional ticket sales, or concession stands, or corporate boxes. These are the ways sports franchises make money, ad revenue is only a small peice of the pie. | ||
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coldasice
Australia208 Posts
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OhDeezy
United Kingdom54 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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OhDeezy
United Kingdom54 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:32 infinity2k9 wrote: Only the prizes go to the players though that's it? Like i explained in my posts it doesn't seem to be supporting the careers of players at all unless the subscriptions are going to be evenly given out among the players, which would be extremely unfair considering it was an invitational. If it makes money for the organizers then they have more interest in putting more money into setting up bigger leagues. This will attract more money from sponsors, leading to more prize money. Just because subscription money doesn't go directly into players pockets, that doesn't mean that they won't benefit from it. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
$400,000, plus equipment, administrative costs, etc. is a big investment. Good luck and I hope this initial negative attitudes are knee-jerk responses and not indicative of the general population. | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:32 infinity2k9 wrote: Only the prizes go to the players though that's it? Like i explained in my posts it doesn't seem to be supporting the careers of players at all unless the subscriptions are going to be evenly given out among the players, which would be extremely unfair considering it was an invitational. The subscriptions support the league, which the sponsors calculate will in turn support the sponsors. The money is there for a reason, and their business model requires income of some kind. Advertisements run on the same principle -- advertisers aren't in the habit of donating money to streamers to run their ads, it's a business decision. If it didn't recoup costs they wouldn't do it. NASL has operating fees as well. Without some sort of cash flow they cannot produce good quality content. Without good quality content, viewership declines. Without significant viewership, sponsors are hard to find for leagues like this. And leagues like this support the careers of players who couldn't play without leagues like this to win. It all makes sense, it's just a question of whether you want to support esports or not. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:42 Defacer wrote: There prize pool is massive. I'm not sure its fair to say all the money goes to the organizers, when you consider the capital cost of launching something like this. And how exactly does a non-profit sport league work, or even remain competitive? Without profit, there would be no rewards for the organizers or players. It's just a hobby or avocation, like darts or skeet shooting or some other non-sport. I hear what your saying but you're expectations are unrealistic. Either a tournament is going to have to become heavily subsidized by sponsors or have subcription-based content. The problem with Starcraft is that it's an online game -- there's no stadiums, or tradtional ticket sales, or concession stands, or corporate boxes. These are the ways sports franchises make money, ad revenue is only a small peice of the pie. How does anything you say relate to Brood War then, It's essentially non-profit and obviously the best comparison. Or the example in my post, the Premier League (the league with the most revenue in the world i think?). That's not exactly non-profit as far as i'm aware but the huge majority of money goes to the teams. I don't think you even understand what i'm saying. Money should obviously go to run the league, like in my examples. But in this case my subscription is essentially going ALL to the league and not to the teams/players. Money should go to operation and towards the people spending their time running the league. But that money should be proportional to how big/successful the league is, should it not? That's why a league coming out of nowhere with a huge prize pool has not been the best way to go in the past for eSports. I'm not going to argue this any further, it's only my personal reasoning you can think what you like. But imagine NASL stops in a few seasons. Where did all the money go to? The subscriptions went to the organizers and the sponsors likely paid the few players who won the top prizes. There's not even any trickle down money to anyone else to create stability. On April 02 2011 08:50 OhDeezy wrote: If it makes money for the organizers then they have more interest in putting more money into setting up bigger leagues. This will attract more money from sponsors, leading to more prize money. Just because subscription money doesn't go directly into players pockets, that doesn't mean that they won't benefit from it. When did this theory actually work i ask you? And integral i can't believe you bought up the 'Support eSports' thing as reasoning when i've been explaining exactly why i don't think it will support the people i actually want to be supported. You can say 'no the money will actually help others' but it doesn't make it a fact as we just don't know and i'm inclined to think it's not. | ||
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 02 2011 09:14 backtoback wrote: if NASL is a live lan tournament, I will buy it. If it is online play.. I will not. Anyone know if its either live or offline? It's casted replays until the RO16 which is done at location, so i suppose the RO16 is indeed live and the rest is not. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On April 02 2011 09:14 backtoback wrote: if NASL is a live lan tournament, I will buy it. If it is online play.. I will not. Anyone know if its either live or offline? Umm... all SC2 games are played online. | ||
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