EPTNASL Season 1 Passes - $25 - Page 25
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
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Oceaniax
146 Posts
More options for consumers is fantastic, but I wonder how some of these tournaments will survive as the consumers willing to pay for premium services are stretched thin. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
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tezukazone
7 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:45 Defacer wrote: I don't think you're a troll, but I don't think your argument is very strong. The GSL is a weak comparison, if your using it as the basis for judging the quality of a player. If you followed GSL intently, you would know that it's an extremely volatile tournament format that does not consistently reward 'the best player'. Almost all the past championship have nearly fallen out of code S -- and that is not because they are suddenly bad players. If anything, what is exciting about the NASL division format is that the best players will most likely advance based on a cumulative record against their division. This is potentially a much better way of rewding the best players than the GSL, TSL or MLG. If you looked at overall results across multiple tournaments, you'd recognized that the NASL tournament is actually quite stacked, with a handful of underdogs and fan favorites. Even the fan favorites have had significant historical milestones. I agree the GSL's format is extremely volatile, but it is still THE tournament to win, or to do well in, and to gain fame and establish yourself as a good player. Who even won or cares about TSL where koreans were lagging like crazy and couldnt play? What other major tournaments are there where the winners are instantly labeled as "best in the world". Sure past GSL championship winners, runner-ups, and highly-accomplished players almost dropped out of Code S this last season, and it is not because they are suddenly bad players. But didn't they prove they are good players by doing well in past GSL's? What other tournaments really showed that they are great players? So in that sense, how is GSL a weak tool in judging the quality of a player? You just said the best players almost dropped out of Code S, but they are the best players because they have proven themselves on GSL's stage... Maybe I'm running in circles here but that seems to contradict itself, but this last season was just flukes and slumps in my opinion. GSTL is a whole different matter, I feel it is the worst tournament in terms of evaluating peoples skill due to single-match elimination system, although it is still very entertaining to watch. But honestly some matches in GSTL may as well be ignored when judging how good someone is. And yeah I am not that knowledgable on the other tournaments that go on around the world, as GSL has been seen as the premier league to be in and regarded as such by most top players if I'm not mistaken. Huk dominates american scene but cant even beat a slumping MVP who cant beat a protoss for his life. Also I am not very familiar with the format of NASL, I only really watched GSL, read TL here and there, and what little information and hype I've heard about NASL, has not impressed me so far. Not to be demeaning or anything but winning GSL or placing highly in GSL still ranks much higher in my mind than winning bunch of small tournaments (which obviously feature lower caliber players) and making more money than GSL players through those tourneys. NASL is obviously trying to change that, but I'm just skeptical. Player skill level is a huge factor, but other issues being discussed here such as quality of streaming, casters capabilities to keep audiences engaged and entertained, and the many other minor underlying issues create even more skepticism about NASL. But it's not like I want it to fail, if it establishes itself as the next big thing worthy of competing with GSL, i have no problems paying if its going to provide me as much or more entertainment than GSL. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
NASL: $25, Arguable top competition, ~3 months, commercials, Sub-Tastosis caster I'll go with GSL. I'm sorry but you won't find casters better than Tastelss/Artosis right now. The players in NA are good but they do not have the quality AND quantity Korea or even Europe has. The commercial part is the tipping point for sure. Screw that. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:02 PokePill wrote: Would consider paying if the production value is good but I can't really expect it to be based on GCPL and the announcement showmatch. except there was no production value on the GCPL and the showmatch as they specifically said? Not really sure how your reasoning works... Just because the GCPL shares staff with NASL, it doesn't mean the production value will be the same. For one, they will have a studio!!!! Hurray! And they also said the show match is no indication of the production value what so ever, as the show match was not part of NASL as much as it was part of the announcement. The studio wasn't even set up! But hey dood lets hate instead! | ||
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Srule
Canada181 Posts
But I don't think I want to pay for this anyway, already have enough tournaments to watch. Have not been reading on the NASL much but hopefully the live stream is free so I can watch it every now and then. | ||
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Schenkee
Scotland322 Posts
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MattyClutch
United States711 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:03 hitman133 wrote: Wow I don't need 1080p guys, just 480p or 720p with 10 bucks, is that an option ? I like the 1080p option. Not saying they shouldn't have options for you, but I like to watch matches (like the TSL) on my HTPC that is hooked to a 47" 1080p TV so yeah this is ideal. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:53 infinity2k9 wrote: I'm used to not paying to watch Starcraft at all. Edit for explanation; I gotta lol at the people saying WOW $25 IS NOT MUCH AT ALL FOR SO MUCH STARCRAFT!! when it's only really even happened that some are paying to watch tournaments at all. Hell you can go to the MSL or OSL finals for free and watch live. $25 isn't shit to me but this change doesn't sit right with me personally. I'd like to see Starcraft run as a non-profit sport especially since it's such a niche. When i pay to watch Football/Soccer the money goes back into teams and therefore players if it's on television or at the actual game. Some teams make a profit ontop of that but that's fine, cause least it's going to the team. Although some money will go to the people who run the Premier League, it's a tiny amount of the total and used to pay people who organize it all. In the NASL all the money appears to go to the organizers (since i'm gonna assume prize money is from sponsors, not gonna rely on spectators to pay it). While some people might quote other sports which run like this, i'd prefer it the other way. I know people go on about supporting eSports a lot, but i support teams and players; I'm not paying to turn a profit for the organizers. The scene is too small for that, it's already very hard for teams and players to support themselves so that's where i want my money, if any money at all, going. But hey everyone's entitled to their opinion on this, and i can see why some people would see it as totally fair. But the fact there's already multiple tournaments popping up with subscriptions is sort of alarming to me at least. True, the money goes back to the organizers, but they provide prize pools for the competitors to win, so in a sense you are supporting the players. I'll definitely pay if the production values are good and everything, otherwise I'll pass until they improve. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:07 mprs wrote: except there was no production value on the GCPL and the showmatch as they specifically said? Not really sure how your reasoning works... Just because the GCPL shares staff with NASL, it doesn't mean the production value will be the same. For one, they will have a studio!!!! Hurray! And they also said the show match is no indication of the production value what so ever, as the show match was not part of NASL as much as it was part of the announcement. The studio wasn't even set up! But hey dood lets hate instead! You gotta base an opinion on something. And if you saw a poorly made GCPL and the showmatch seemed pretty low budget... Your expectations can't be too high going into this. I mean sure it's not the real tournament, but this is what the same staff managed to do in a previous tournament. It's almost (for examples sake) Day9 was a bad caster in MLG, but Im sure he will be a great caster in dreamhack. I wont be buying first season definatly. If they can show proffesionalism, I'll consider 2nd season, but they didn't build themselves a strong foundation to work with , that's for sure. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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MrSparkle
Canada135 Posts
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Humdrum
40 Posts
Anyways, I'll definitely buy one. They're providing more content than I'll even be able to watch for the price I pay for going out one night. It's more than worth it. It seems to me, that people just have a problem with this league for some reason. Which, considering how amazing it is for there to be a massive North American based Starcraft league, is quite shocking. The starcraft community confuses me. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:14 teamsolid wrote: True, the money goes back to the organizers, but they provide prize pools for the competitors to win, so in a sense you are supporting the players. I'll definitely pay if the production values are good and everything, otherwise I'll pass until they improve. No team or player can run on solely on the possibility of prize money though, isn't this precisely one of the reasons very big money tournaments have failed to ignite any eSports at all for some games? And i'd hope the prize money is from sponsors and not subscriptions anyway. In my eyes the ideal situation would be a World Proleague where the money from subscriptions is directly split up between the teams. The prize money is provided by sponsors. This, if it was big enough, could help create an even playing field between the various regions; Help prop up teams if sponsors are lacking, and just generally help stability for the scene. If i give money to the NASL it funds the NASL, that's how i'm seeing it. I mean what are we trying to support here, a business or a sport? Other small sports are just happy to get enough money to continue their existence. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:23 Humdrum wrote: Not the results I was expecting in the poll... Anyways, I'll definitely buy one. They're providing more content than I'll even be able to watch for the price I pay for going out one night. It's more than worth it. It seems to me, that people just have a problem with this league for some reason. Which, considering how amazing it is for there to be a massive North American based Starcraft league, is quite shocking. The starcraft community confuses me. It's because we don't discriminate based on nationality or language and want to see better games. | ||
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integral
United States3161 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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