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On April 02 2011 06:59 reprise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) How can you say that they're not putting as much effort? NASL is a startup company with a small team, and GOM is large company with existing sources of income from different areas other than eSports. GOM can afford to put the money because the scene already existed from BW. NASL is brand new and is a small team. You're comparisons are atrocious, and you expect top notch quality from something which is new and risky in the western hemisphere.
Like I said in my previous post, GomTV didn't charge for anything when they were first starting to get into E-Sports for the foreigners (that I remember). You can't come out with a BRAND NEW LEAGUE and charge only 2$ less than a established league with over 2+ years of experiencing.
TSL has amazing production, and very professional. They've also been around for quite some time, they charge absolutely nothing, just ask for you to turn off your adblock. I can go to youtube and search any TSL game I want and can watch it easily, np.
NASL is just starting out, but you have to pay 25$ to watch VODs, not to mention they actually play ads even after you paid (for whatever reason). What is wrong with just doing it like TSL and making money off your ad revenue or whatever they call it? They aren't hosting their own stream, they are using a provider just like NASL will be, except for some reason NASL thinks they are worth 25$ more than TSL.
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On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs)
I guess you could also front the prize money?
Disregarding that, some of you who have never received a business education in your life need to stfu about "oh the price is way way too high because i think i know how much it costs to create this entire production".
A. You have no fucking idea.
B. Pricing by cost is retarded.
C. You have no fucking idea. Seriously.
All you can do is weigh the $25 against the value of the production that you perceive (which is in the air at the moment). Then you decide to pay or not to pay. Maybe give a reasonable opinion about why you're not interested in shelling out $25 just yet. Going on and on about "oh I can create this production easy, how dare they think about charging me" makes you sound so incredibly naive and entitled.
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...Lol@all the people who are like "ZOMG NOT PAYING 25$ FOR 3 MONTHS OF NASL!!"
My god..lol, it's 25$ people, calm yourself down.
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I will never pay for any starcraft tourney regardless of price so no thanks 
I guess the price is pretty doable tho for people that do pay
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On April 02 2011 06:56 Me1234 wrote:I just purchased a ticket. I mean, I pay way more for sky television every month and i'm pretty sure I will watch more NASL then sky so i'm pretty sure I will get great value for 25 dollars. I know there is a chance that they screw it up but I'm pretty sure they will put their heart into it so... it will be good 
confusing thing is that they were offered a lot of help. there were various individuals within the community and even professionals (apparently sir scoots offered them help) but they rejected it all trying to keep it all within their own little group. if sir scoots was the production manager or was a consultant to them, there would be without a doubt more confidence in their production capabilities. but the fact that all their endeavors (their clash of the titans and their website) have production issues along with the fact that they seem to be really confused with what direction they're taking (constant changing of the rules, fluctuation of what they say one day and then another) really leads to a lack of confidence. everything can't be fixed with 'heart'.
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I'll definitely buy the first season. I want this to succeed.
I currently watch (and will continue to watch) the GSL, but it will be nice to be able to finally watch some top notch tournament play live on a high quality stream, rather than have to watch the VODs the next day (which is what I usually do with GSL).
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These guys have to prove it's worth it first.
What I've seen of NASL so far, which is a bunch of announcements and replay-casts, does not convince me in any way that it's going to be worth my money.
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Moneys tight otherwise I'd buy it immediately.
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I was skeptical about paying for the GSL at first, but halfway through the first season, I realized it actually is pretty awesome so i decided to start purchasing GSL season passes consistently and it has been worth it very much. Paying for as much content as you receive from huge starcraft 2 tournaments like GSL and NASL is really worth it, 25$ for as much content as you will receive from the NASL is worth it.
My friends and I will definately be buying NASL season passes.
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On April 02 2011 07:02 kaileah wrote:
... (constant changing of the rules...
Wow. Everyone complains about the rules, then complains that the rules aren't getting changed based on community feedback, then NASL says "Okay, we've heard the complaints about our rules and you've convinced us. We're changing them," then people start complaining about them "constant"ly changing the rules. Amazing. This is why companies rarely pay attention to complaints. You'll always piss someone off.
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For that amount of money, I better be getting replays too.
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It's a good deal for the entertainment I get, and even if it wasn't I'd want to support esports if I can afford it.
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On April 02 2011 07:05 MechaCthulhu wrote:Wow. Everyone complains about the rules, then complains that the rules aren't getting changed based on community feedback, then NASL says "Okay, we've heard the complaints about our rules and you've convinced us. We're changing them," then people start complaining about them "constant"ly changing the rules. Amazing. This is why companies rarely pay attention to complaints. You'll always piss someone off.
don't take it out of context. i said that as an example of their lack of direction which is completely valid. i'm not saying whether or not they should change them but the fact that they do is concerning.
edit: when you quote, quote the whole thing by the way. i said "...along with the fact that they seem to be really confused with what direction they're taking (constant changing of the rules, fluctuation of what they say one day and then another) really leads to a lack of confidence." don't mislead people intentionally.
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On April 02 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:59 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) How can you say that they're not putting as much effort? NASL is a startup company with a small team, and GOM is large company with existing sources of income from different areas other than eSports. GOM can afford to put the money because the scene already existed from BW. NASL is brand new and is a small team. You're comparisons are atrocious, and you expect top notch quality from something which is new and risky in the western hemisphere. Like I said in my previous post, GomTV didn't charge for anything when they were first starting to get into E-Sports for the foreigners (that I remember). You can't come out with a BRAND NEW LEAGUE and charge only 2$ less than a established league with over 2+ years of experiencing. TSL has amazing production, and very professional. They've also been around for quite some time, they charge absolutely nothing, just ask for you to turn off your adblock. I can go to youtube and search any TSL game I want and can watch it easily, np. NASL is just starting out, but you have to pay 25$ to watch VODs, not to mention they actually play ads even after you paid (for whatever reason). What is wrong with just doing it like TSL and making money off your ad revenue or whatever they call it? They aren't hosting their own stream, they are using a provider just like NASL will be, except for some reason NASL thinks they are worth 25$ more than TSL.
Why not use your amazing production skills and make your own tournament then not charge anyone since your time is so invaluable? Or the free option, since you like free obv, just not pay $25 and move on.
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From what I understand the free stream will be better than the HQ GSL one, and the HQ NASL one is in 1080p?
I'll pay it.
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April Fool's!!!! It's really $100 for NASL! Bazinga! 
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On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs)
How is $400,000 not enough money for you? Why should the NASL put all that money into production values instead of what actually matters, which is the longevity of the league?
NASL doesn't succeed by having people bitch about the price (which, again, to compare, is approximately that of a large pizza!) and having retards on forums claim they can run a "Huko's Bedroom Starcraft League!™ It's Really Good!™" themselves better than they can, as if it takes no effort, planning, business plan, hard work or time. In the end, it succeeds by taking people like you and getting them to realize that ceaselessly bitching about the product being presented to you (and, to take it a step further, HOPING IT FAILS) isn't how you help the situation. The people behind the NASL couldn't be more open to criticism. Quit being a dick.
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On April 02 2011 07:08 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 07:01 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:59 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) How can you say that they're not putting as much effort? NASL is a startup company with a small team, and GOM is large company with existing sources of income from different areas other than eSports. GOM can afford to put the money because the scene already existed from BW. NASL is brand new and is a small team. You're comparisons are atrocious, and you expect top notch quality from something which is new and risky in the western hemisphere. Like I said in my previous post, GomTV didn't charge for anything when they were first starting to get into E-Sports for the foreigners (that I remember). You can't come out with a BRAND NEW LEAGUE and charge only 2$ less than a established league with over 2+ years of experiencing. TSL has amazing production, and very professional. They've also been around for quite some time, they charge absolutely nothing, just ask for you to turn off your adblock. I can go to youtube and search any TSL game I want and can watch it easily, np. NASL is just starting out, but you have to pay 25$ to watch VODs, not to mention they actually play ads even after you paid (for whatever reason). What is wrong with just doing it like TSL and making money off your ad revenue or whatever they call it? They aren't hosting their own stream, they are using a provider just like NASL will be, except for some reason NASL thinks they are worth 25$ more than TSL. Why not use your amazing production skills and make your own tournament then not charge anyone since your time is so invaluable? Or the free option, since you like free obv, just not pay $25 and move on.
On April 02 2011 07:10 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:52 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:42 reprise wrote:On April 02 2011 06:35 ImHuko wrote:On April 02 2011 06:31 udgnim wrote:On April 02 2011 06:25 ImHuko wrote:
To add, GSL is asking 10$ and they actually have to run their own stream 1 NASL season (10+ weeks) is longer than 1 GSL season (~1 month) Yes but if you added in the actual money spent producing the stream, it is far far far far less than GSL. The most expensive program I know for producing a stream is Wirecast and its like 300$ I think. Xsplit does close to the same thing as Wirecast and its free. (Wirecast makes it 100000x easier, but yea). They are using JTV, not their own stream so really the only thing they are spending on it is the internet connection, which you can easily make back by running ads on JTV (assuming they get the numbers TSL does) So you don't think people should be compensated for their work? Gom is a large company who isn't only invested in eSports. NASL does one thing and one thing only. They are asking for 8$ a month compared to the 10$ GomTV asks but they don't put in nearly as much money/effort as GomTV does. It is too expensive. I could run a 1080p stream with very good production for absolutely no cost to myself other than internet bill, like I said before. They would be better off doing it like TSL and giving it for free at first, and then maybe season 2 they add this or something. Asking people to pay 8$ right off the bit is friggan ridiculous (don't get me started on the whole "minimal commercial interruptions" thing. GomTV didn't charge for anything when they first started out (you can still watch GomTV SC:BW tournament VODs) How is $400,000 not enough money for you? Why should the NASL put all that money into production values instead of what actually matters, which is the longevity of the league? NASL doesn't succeed by having people bitch about the price (which, again, to compare, is approximately that of a large pizza!) and having retards on forums claim they can run a "Huko's Bedroom Starcraft League!™ It's Really Good!™" themselves better than they can, as if it takes no effort, planning, business plan, hard work or time. In the end, it succeeds by taking people like you and getting them to realize that ceaselessly bitching about the product being presented to you (and, to take it a step further, HOPING IT FAILS) isn't how you help the situation. The people behind the NASL couldn't be more open to criticism. Quit being a dick.
I simply read the OP, it asked a question about if I will be paying for the ticket, I voted and now I am explaining my reasoning....
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not going to buy a single ticket until they change the way players get into the event. after that i'll likely buy one every season. Probably won't even watch the games this season though probably just go to the LR thread and read the play by play.
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I have been a sharp critic of NASL since the beginning. I did not like the whole dramatization of the league, the invite policy, the application policy and I do not personally like Incontrol as a caster, not to mention that the showmatch between Idra and Jinro was handled poorly.
I also watch the GSL avidly as I think Korean players are for more entertaining to watch.
But seriously, $20 for this much content is nothing. At this price point I am buying it despite all the points above.
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