I'm hoping the addition of the TA is to test the waters of accepting a non-blizzard map into the pool. An even better follow-up would be Crevasse or Terminus directly replacing Delta. It's just too boring to have that map veto'd for month after month.

Patpo

Malaysia4 Posts

March 22 2011 06:02 GMT

#143

Yeah, Delta is totally a crap map. Let's add in the Terminus as well as the GSTL new map Dual Sight.

eloist

United States1017 Posts

March 22 2011 06:09 GMT

#144

Kind of disappointed that they caved and changed backwater.

Jayrod

1820 Posts

March 22 2011 06:19 GMT

#145

oh sweet they did what i was hoping they would do to backwater gulch.

EMPaThy789

New Zealand878 Posts

March 22 2011 06:22 GMT

#146

the new shakuras looks awsome, the back door was the only thing i didnt like about the map and now its gone! dont understand why they didnt take out slag pits, delta or crap station, nearly everyone vetos them anyway. the third's rocks on tal' darim are going to be annoying, i remember playing on the early test versions which had the rocks at the third with a friend. the rocks pretty much made him (he was zerg) have to hidden expo to another starting location and forced him to go muta ling over roach hydra

freeto

United States122 Posts

March 22 2011 06:24 GMT

#147

wish they could have picked one of the better GSL maps. maybe one where terran cant siege your expo from the low ground and shuttle marines up via medivacs, steppes of war style...

also slag pits, backwater gulch, and delta are still terribad maps. no reason for them to be in the pool at all. as much as i like the advantage i get on scrap station, i feel like its time to phase that map out too.

tbh im saying the same thing as everyone else. blizzard is bad at making maps and they need to stop. Iccup, GSL, and MLG are all doing a better job, yet blizzard refuses to back off. allowing 1 GSL map is a start though.

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

March 22 2011 06:26 GMT

#148

On March 22 2011 15:24 freeto wrote:
wish they could have picked one of the better GSL maps. maybe one where terran cant siege your expo from the low ground and shuttle marines up via medivacs, steppes of war style...

also slag pits, backwater gulch, and delta are still terribad maps. no reason for them to be in the pool at all. as much as i like the advantage i get on scrap station, i feel like its time to phase that map out too.

tbh im saying the same thing as everyone else. blizzard is bad at making maps and they need to stop. Iccup, GSL, and MLG are all doing a better job, yet blizzard refuses to back off. allowing 1 GSL map is a start though.

I don't think MLG made any maps.

acidfreak

Romania352 Posts

March 22 2011 06:29 GMT

#149

First time I am happy with maps! YES Shak is fixed, Tal Darim Altar is in the pool, the world is fine, I found love, I feel great! I only have to veto slag pits and dq, maybe that desert map but I find it interesting still, and they fixed the natural.

EDIT: Oh god they added rocks to Tal Darim 3rd.... Just when I was about to forgive Blizzard....

Terranium

Turkmenistan144 Posts

March 22 2011 06:29 GMT

#150

Has anyone played on the new Shakuraus yet? Do you still get close spawns?

zergtat

Hong Kong853 Posts

March 22 2011 06:33 GMT

#151

Shakuras plateau is a god map, and good change! let me try it and other maps out tonite!

rauk

United States2228 Posts

March 22 2011 06:36 GMT

#152

whyyyy the rocks on taldarim, blizzard. no one likes your rocks.

Royalcommand

Korea (South)189 Posts

March 22 2011 06:37 GMT

#153

blizzard... WHATS WITH THE ROCKS

eviltomahawk

United States11135 Posts

March 22 2011 06:40 GMT

#154

It's awesome to see Tal'Darim Altar finally get into the map pool. It has produced great games thus far, and it should continue to produce great games on the ladder (as long as Protoss players don't 4gate me lol). The destructible rocks are a bit annoying, but considering that the 3rd base is now a full expansion with more minerals and a 2nd gas, I think it's a reasonable tradeoff ensuring that players can't abuse the easy expo too much.

The Shakuras Plateau changes are REALLY interesting to see.
Comparing the new one:
+ Show Spoiler +

with the old one
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There are NUMEROUS changes to the map.

The removal of the main-to-main rocks and ramps is a huge deal. No longer can Terrans do a formidable marine+tank death-push in that corridor towards a Zerg base. No longer will the rest of the map's geography give way to entire games being played out in that simple strip of land. The change is an amazing fix to the most blatant flaw of an otherwise amazing map.

Also, it's interesting to see the tall grass now fully surround the Xel'Naga Watchtowers in a change that is consistent with the other vision-blocker changes in the other maps.

The rocks between 3rd bases have now been removed. In their place, there are now ramps and rocks that lead to the former main-to-main corridor. This should affect the safety of these 3rds quite a bit now that there are 2 places to attack it from. However, the minerals and gases have been moved to hug the mains, which now have an extra piece of land jutting out into the main field that also protects these 3rds. It should be interesting to see Protoss players use it to get a pylon a bit farther out into the field or Terran players protect their 3rds a bit better with Siege Tanks. It should also be interesting to see that no longer can the 3rd base be so easily besieged upon from the main-to-main corridor.

I haven't played on Backwater Gulch at all since I preemptively downvoted it after hearing so many negative comments about it. I may reconsider my decision.

zere

Germany1287 Posts

March 22 2011 06:48 GMT

#155

Tuesday morning at the Blizzard HQ:

-"Hey, boss, look at this map. It's awesome, can we put it into the ladder pool?"
-"No."
-"But it's so good, the player and community feedback was superb, they love this map!"
-"No."
-"But they are even using it in the GSL, you know, the biggest tournament in the world!"
-"No."
-"But EU and NA players speak really highly of it, they also use it in some prized online tournaments!"
-"No."
-"And if I put destructible rocks on it?"
-"Sounds good, put it online."

And that's pretty much there is to it.
The Backwater changes doesn't really do anything, it still is a bad map, frankly. The Shakuras change is a bit weird, I don't know, it has to be experienced first hand before you can talk about it, I guess. But I have the feeling that these changes are made based upon 5-minute-decisions instead of actual looking around and listening to the playerbase.
I do wonder, tho, whether the online cups (Competo, Go4SC2, Star2.org) will stick with the proper GSL version of Tal'Darim. All the different map versions are giving me a hard time entering games into TLPD already.

Uncultured

United States1340 Posts

March 22 2011 06:53 GMT

#156

People bitching about rocks make me laugh. They change almost nothing. Their effect on the game is almost negligible. I've never had a problem taking down rocks before I'd normally get a third. Can you remember a time when this has happened on LT? I can't.

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

March 22 2011 06:53 GMT

#157

So is taldarim altar, is it just the screenshot or is it actually smaller then on GSL?

Garnet

Vietnam9033 Posts

March 22 2011 06:54 GMT

#158

It's still 5 small, 4 medium and 1 large map. The lack of large maps is weird.

Skrelt

Netherlands306 Posts

March 22 2011 06:56 GMT

#159

On March 22 2011 14:50 SlapMySalami wrote:
oh blizzard you are so funny with your disposable rocks

damn, tolate, This :p

ParasitJonte

Sweden1768 Posts

March 22 2011 06:59 GMT

#160

Wow it feels like they listened to exactly what I said when I posted on blizz forums... We should keep making our opinions heard; it really matters :o.