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Rasky
Profile Joined July 2010
United States406 Posts
March 16 2011 02:22 GMT
#821
Are foreigners playing in the GSL considered Koreans?
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
March 16 2011 02:24 GMT
#822
I'm not watching NASL if it is just another GSL.

GSL would be superior in every way. Live games in booths with better casters, but same players.

NASL with mostly NA players would help build the NA scene the way the BW leagues helped build the KR scene.

NASL needs to be NA centric to give western esports the chance to catch up to the KR scene.

NASL will not survive if it is GSL 2.0 or GSL lite
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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
March 16 2011 02:24 GMT
#823
On March 16 2011 11:22 Rasky wrote:
Are foreigners playing in the GSL considered Koreans?

Kiiiinda. Notice how the TSL3 invites had foreigners who lived in Korea at the time the invites were announced.
mufin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States616 Posts
March 16 2011 02:24 GMT
#824
On March 16 2011 11:21 Looky wrote:
people wanna see the best players. the poll speaks for itself and people against it choose to ignore it. If there's such a big tournament in north america, im sure it will grow no matter whos in it. It will be easier to go to for the western world since everyone speaks english. this will help motivate us to get better and become great and big as korea. even if there are koreans players winning it.


the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership.
I only make 5 actions per minute. But since I use all my time deliberating and planning, my 5 actions are so brutally devastating that children cry out and grown men weep.
Robstickle
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain406 Posts
March 16 2011 02:25 GMT
#825
Tyler has shown that he can take Jinro and Idra, even when those two are playing and beating the best Koreans. I say let them in.
Peas
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada102 Posts
March 16 2011 02:26 GMT
#826
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
March 16 2011 02:26 GMT
#827
People who want to get into NASL but want to see Koreans get banned in hopes that it will improve their chances of going further in NASL have no business participating in a $100,000 tournament.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
March 16 2011 02:26 GMT
#828
On March 16 2011 11:25 Robstickle wrote:
Tyler has shown that he can take Jinro and Idra, even when those two are playing and beating the best Koreans. I say let them in.


except tyler isnt ur usual foreigner. he's probably the most talented foreigner there is.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
March 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#829
On March 16 2011 11:24 mufin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 11:21 Looky wrote:
people wanna see the best players. the poll speaks for itself and people against it choose to ignore it. If there's such a big tournament in north america, im sure it will grow no matter whos in it. It will be easier to go to for the western world since everyone speaks english. this will help motivate us to get better and become great and big as korea. even if there are koreans players winning it.


the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership.


And you assume that you represent the casuals, then? Really, if I were a casual, I would abandon NASL as soon as I found out it sucked in comparison to the GSL.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#830
On March 16 2011 11:24 mufin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 11:21 Looky wrote:
people wanna see the best players. the poll speaks for itself and people against it choose to ignore it. If there's such a big tournament in north america, im sure it will grow no matter whos in it. It will be easier to go to for the western world since everyone speaks english. this will help motivate us to get better and become great and big as korea. even if there are koreans players winning it.


the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership.

watching a game, casual viewers wouldn't even know they're Korean. Faces are shown like 15 seconds at best during a game. If you're talking interviews, people aren't going to decide to watch Starcraft because IdrA called someone terrible at the game.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
March 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#831
On March 16 2011 11:17 DystopiaX wrote:
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On March 16 2011 11:14 motbob wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:08 DystopiaX wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:05 Consolidate wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:01 motbob wrote:
On March 16 2011 10:57 Consolidate wrote:
On March 16 2011 10:53 motbob wrote:
On March 16 2011 10:47 Consolidate wrote:
On March 16 2011 10:36 motbob wrote:
All this talk about race and xenophobia reminds me of when people bring up the subject of antisemitism whenever Israel's policies are criticized. Stop it.


There is a real element of both.

How else do you explain people describing Korean players as boring, homogeneous, and having and unfair advantage due to 'lack of real-life commitments'?

How do you explain people who prefer watching 'white' players over Koreans despite the fact a player's ethnicity has no direct relationship with his play-style?

The truth of the matter is that people aren't complaining about EU players being allowed in the NASL at all. If the consensus is that EU players are better than NA players, why aren't people levying the same complaint about them?

That fact alone betrays their implicit admission of prejudice against Korean players. If this sentiment is the face of Western E-Sports, I want no part of it and wish it to fail.

Does overwhelming bias in favor of players like Idra and Jinro when they play in GSL imply racism? People naturally get more excited about players that speak their language and interact with their community. It has nothing to do with racism.


The whole reason that Idra and Jinro had just huge viewer numbers is because they the only foreigners playing among the best competition in the world.

Under your logic, MLG would be assumed to be 100 times more popular because it's ALL foreigners. That is obviously not the case.

Are you someone who has difficulty looking at things in context?

Thank you for mentioning MLG. The fact that the tournament is wildly popular on this website (the longest LR thread on TL is for MLG), despite the level of play being less than that of GSL, supports my point that the ideal composition of a tournament's players isn't all about player skill.

Also: given your lack of reading comprehension and enormous leaps of logic in your recent posts, I would recommend that you stop being so condescending.


MLG had three weekends worth of competition, averaging 150-200 pages per thread per tournament.

EVERY GSL match day has threads reaching 80-120 pages.

Which event do you think has higher total viewership?

And all of that DESPITE the time-zone issue.

Also, wasn't motbob the same guy who was saying TL wasn't representative of gamers as a whole? why use a TL thread statistic then?

Um. What statistic would you rather I use?

The one that doesn't conflict with a refutation of a previous, opposing argument?

I didn't want to smash your cute little bullshit rhetorical "gotcha" into the ground, but you've backed me into a corner.

In the first instance, I was pointing out that although Team Liquid, a website historically strongly in tune with the Korean scene, may want bunches of Koreans in the NASL, that may not be true for more general audiences. As I said earlier in the thread, I was merely encouraging further discussion; someone else wanted to eliminate the possibility of even listening to Peas' posts, given the overwhelming opposition on TL, but I thought that wasn't the best thing to do.

In the second instance, I was pointing out that Team Liquid enjoys watching both the GSL and MLG.

I fail to see how these two pieces of information contradict each other.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
dookudooku
Profile Joined December 2010
255 Posts
March 16 2011 02:28 GMT
#832
Motbob,

I really think the poll should be removed. It's actually somewhat misleading and doesn't really address pokebunny's comment.

I think there are quite a few people who agree with pokebunny's sentiment that he'd rather watch NA players, but not with his reasoning and criticism of the Startale players, which (IMO) was incredibly prejudiced.
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
March 16 2011 02:28 GMT
#833
On March 16 2011 11:10 bLuR wrote:
The poll is outrageous, inviting the best koreans "even if it means having few na/eu players" completely destroys the purpose of the NASL. GSL is for all the top koreans, Invite a select few to raise the skill cap of the NASL while advancing esports outside of korea by actually having NA/EU players playing, and being able to show off their skill.


So you're saying that Korean players are incapable of contributing to Western E-sports?
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Failoan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States50 Posts
March 16 2011 02:28 GMT
#834
Invite the very best players, imho. Foreigners aren't going to get better if you keep them in a bubble.

Use this chance to improve the foreign scene's skill level. Use it as motivation to become better. If we can not become just as good as the Koreans we will never have an SC2 scene like that in Korea.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 16 2011 02:29 GMT
#835
On March 16 2011 11:26 imbs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 11:25 Robstickle wrote:
Tyler has shown that he can take Jinro and Idra, even when those two are playing and beating the best Koreans. I say let them in.


except tyler isnt ur usual foreigner. he's probably the most talented foreigner there is.


Tyler always had a lot of talent, but he isn't the only one. Mondragon could surprise us and be good at SC2, despite laying low all this time. Also a lot of the Europeans are really talented like White-Ra, he always does pretty well despite being married.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 02:29:45
March 16 2011 02:29 GMT
#836
On March 16 2011 11:24 mufin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 11:21 Looky wrote:
people wanna see the best players. the poll speaks for itself and people against it choose to ignore it. If there's such a big tournament in north america, im sure it will grow no matter whos in it. It will be easier to go to for the western world since everyone speaks english. this will help motivate us to get better and become great and big as korea. even if there are koreans players winning it.


the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership.


tell me any sport that people would rather watch 2nd rate players? casuals wanna see nice plays, they probably dont even know who huk , idra,ret is let alone mvp, nestea, mc.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
March 16 2011 02:29 GMT
#837
Why does it feel like half of us want a large portion of players from Korea and the others want to ban Korean players?

Honestly, if the NASL is "mostly Korean players" or has "zero Korean players" I will be very disappointed. I want to see some of the great players from all regions. That's why I'm so excited about the NASL. The GSL feels like its Korea and Jinro/Idra/Huk, which doesn't represent the other great players from other regions. But that's only because GSL is a local event. NASL will be online, except for the final, which is why they can showcase great players from all regions.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
March 16 2011 02:30 GMT
#838
On March 16 2011 11:28 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 11:10 bLuR wrote:
The poll is outrageous, inviting the best koreans "even if it means having few na/eu players" completely destroys the purpose of the NASL. GSL is for all the top koreans, Invite a select few to raise the skill cap of the NASL while advancing esports outside of korea by actually having NA/EU players playing, and being able to show off their skill.


So you're saying that Korean players are incapable of contributing to Western E-sports?

Look at your post. Now look at bLuR's post. Now, very carefully, using more than one line (this is important), explain how bLuR's post implies that Korean players are incapable of contributing to Western eSports.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 16 2011 02:30 GMT
#839
On March 16 2011 11:26 Peas wrote:
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No, if they were the best I'd be freaking happy. Trying to tell people who disagree with you how they feel is stupid.
echobong
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada92 Posts
March 16 2011 02:31 GMT
#840
It's about as 'racist' as it is to let PEOPLE RESIDING IN KOREA (note: not "Koreans") not play as it is racist that the NY Knick's can't participate in the goddamn Western Conference. It's a NORTH AMERICAN StarLeague.

*I* say, don't let anyone that doesn't reside in North American play in the league. SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT.
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