EPTNASL: Koreans? Top Koreans? - Page 42
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Rasky
United States406 Posts
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
GSL would be superior in every way. Live games in booths with better casters, but same players. NASL with mostly NA players would help build the NA scene the way the BW leagues helped build the KR scene. NASL needs to be NA centric to give western esports the chance to catch up to the KR scene. NASL will not survive if it is GSL 2.0 or GSL lite | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:22 Rasky wrote: Are foreigners playing in the GSL considered Koreans? Kiiiinda. Notice how the TSL3 invites had foreigners who lived in Korea at the time the invites were announced. | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:21 Looky wrote: people wanna see the best players. the poll speaks for itself and people against it choose to ignore it. If there's such a big tournament in north america, im sure it will grow no matter whos in it. It will be easier to go to for the western world since everyone speaks english. this will help motivate us to get better and become great and big as korea. even if there are koreans players winning it. the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership. | ||
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
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Peas
Canada102 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:25 Robstickle wrote: Tyler has shown that he can take Jinro and Idra, even when those two are playing and beating the best Koreans. I say let them in. except tyler isnt ur usual foreigner. he's probably the most talented foreigner there is. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:24 mufin wrote: the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership. And you assume that you represent the casuals, then? Really, if I were a casual, I would abandon NASL as soon as I found out it sucked in comparison to the GSL. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:24 mufin wrote: the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership. watching a game, casual viewers wouldn't even know they're Korean. Faces are shown like 15 seconds at best during a game. If you're talking interviews, people aren't going to decide to watch Starcraft because IdrA called someone terrible at the game. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:17 DystopiaX wrote: The one that doesn't conflict with a refutation of a previous, opposing argument? I didn't want to smash your cute little bullshit rhetorical "gotcha" into the ground, but you've backed me into a corner. In the first instance, I was pointing out that although Team Liquid, a website historically strongly in tune with the Korean scene, may want bunches of Koreans in the NASL, that may not be true for more general audiences. As I said earlier in the thread, I was merely encouraging further discussion; someone else wanted to eliminate the possibility of even listening to Peas' posts, given the overwhelming opposition on TL, but I thought that wasn't the best thing to do. In the second instance, I was pointing out that Team Liquid enjoys watching both the GSL and MLG. I fail to see how these two pieces of information contradict each other. | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
I really think the poll should be removed. It's actually somewhat misleading and doesn't really address pokebunny's comment. I think there are quite a few people who agree with pokebunny's sentiment that he'd rather watch NA players, but not with his reasoning and criticism of the Startale players, which (IMO) was incredibly prejudiced. | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:10 bLuR wrote: The poll is outrageous, inviting the best koreans "even if it means having few na/eu players" completely destroys the purpose of the NASL. GSL is for all the top koreans, Invite a select few to raise the skill cap of the NASL while advancing esports outside of korea by actually having NA/EU players playing, and being able to show off their skill. So you're saying that Korean players are incapable of contributing to Western E-sports? | ||
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Failoan
United States50 Posts
Use this chance to improve the foreign scene's skill level. Use it as motivation to become better. If we can not become just as good as the Koreans we will never have an SC2 scene like that in Korea. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:26 imbs wrote: except tyler isnt ur usual foreigner. he's probably the most talented foreigner there is. Tyler always had a lot of talent, but he isn't the only one. Mondragon could surprise us and be good at SC2, despite laying low all this time. Also a lot of the Europeans are really talented like White-Ra, he always does pretty well despite being married. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:24 mufin wrote: the problem with that argument is your assuming that TL, and thus the poll, represents the casual viewership. tell me any sport that people would rather watch 2nd rate players? casuals wanna see nice plays, they probably dont even know who huk , idra,ret is let alone mvp, nestea, mc. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
Honestly, if the NASL is "mostly Korean players" or has "zero Korean players" I will be very disappointed. I want to see some of the great players from all regions. That's why I'm so excited about the NASL. The GSL feels like its Korea and Jinro/Idra/Huk, which doesn't represent the other great players from other regions. But that's only because GSL is a local event. NASL will be online, except for the final, which is why they can showcase great players from all regions. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:28 Consolidate wrote: So you're saying that Korean players are incapable of contributing to Western E-sports? Look at your post. Now look at bLuR's post. Now, very carefully, using more than one line (this is important), explain how bLuR's post implies that Korean players are incapable of contributing to Western eSports. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On March 16 2011 11:26 Peas wrote: No, if they were the best I'd be freaking happy. Trying to tell people who disagree with you how they feel is stupid. | ||
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echobong
Canada92 Posts
*I* say, don't let anyone that doesn't reside in North American play in the league. SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT. | ||
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