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On March 14 2011 22:35 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:29 GreEny K wrote:On March 14 2011 22:25 zerious wrote:On March 14 2011 22:20 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I just assumed that all of the pro korean teams got paid.. hmmmm... Does that guy int he lower picture look like one of the coaches from MBCgame to anyone else? You don't recognize Coach Lee aka Mama bear? It is him? Looks like him... That's what I was asking. It is him  And I think it's fairly obvious that the news is about SC2 teams, not BW/ other games. To the discussion "other teams surely pay as well" - how much? We know basically nothing about how much the western esports players get. In most cases it's even speculation that they anything at all (can anyone link me a source that says Liquid pays it's players?). So to FXOpen from p1: Where can we read up how much your 2 top players earn? Because you could as well pay them 100$ a month (you mentioned something like "more than average" average what? BW A class salary? BW B class? other esport-games salary? SKorean population average? US average?) I think you can understand why this is what the media (and most of TL) are interested in, because we finally get some facts. Not speculation & hints.
Player salaries will not be disclosed. By 'average' he meant average comparable to the other foreign teams.
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30K per year, thats nice salary for playing games, especially when you consider that they have prize money on top of that.
I know TL and EG pay their players salaries, and they don't disclose them, but wouldn't have thought many of them are anywhere near this size. I hope they are, but I can't see TL and EG et al paying 30k salaries to everyone, if I were a pro-gamer I would be happy with a couple hundred dollars a week unless I was raking in the tournament results like Jinro has and then I'd probably be ok for money anyways lol.
Like TL's main sponsor is TLAF, paying 6 players even 20k per year would be alot of money to shell out for a small business, its not like they are sponsored by samsung or coca-cola who can literally burn money and their bank accounts still increase in size ;p
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Nice! I hope Startale gets some cool sponsors and pay big bucks for all their players.
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On March 14 2011 17:51 hmunkey wrote:
That's a pretty horrible salary for the amount of hours put in. Minimum wage earns more.
I dont know where you live but in the UK the minimum wage is waaaay below that. Most minimum wage earners here make around £11,000 per year (around $17,000) and in the US the federal minimum wage is $7.35 per hour which on a 36 hour week is $14,000 per year.
You can argue that korean sc2 players probably put in more hours per week than 36 (probably not double that tho which would put them around minimum wage per hour), but they also get living expenses paid for them on top of their salary and they get prize money etc. 31k per year to sit around playing a computer game is good money by any standards..... and this is ONLY the start.
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On March 14 2011 23:27 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 23:17 infinity2k9 wrote:
Its funny people say 31k is perfectly acceptable in this thread; In threads about the match fixing people posted salaries of this amount to be an acceptable reason for people to match fix, as if its somehow justified. This was also back when Bonjwas could pull in nearly a million a year including salaries, winnings, and advertisement.
What? People were making this argument right up into this year and the end of last year. Not that it would make sense anyway, someone like Flash obviously deserves to win more than Upmagic, Hwasin etc. yet people said they felt bad for them anyway somehow, it's crazy.
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yeah, i know that teams like FXO, Fnatic and EG pay their players salaries. what makes TSL the first to pay their team? is it supposed to be the first Starcraft-exclusive team or the first korean SC2 team or something?
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30k is a really big deal.
Sure it's not comparable to a good paying job, but considering that sc2 just "got" started and that the players basically don't need to spend anything on living expenses (except some clothes maybe) it's a decent wage.
2,5k spendable income per month is way beyond what the majority of people earns.
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On March 14 2011 23:59 universalwill wrote:
yeah, i know that teams like FXO, Fnatic and EG pay their players salaries. what makes TSL the first to pay their team? is it supposed to be the first Starcraft-exclusive team or the first korean SC2 team or something?
Well if the foreign community barely has any information on the salaries of those teams, how is the Korean media supposed to know? Just take it in context as the first "Korean SC2 salaried team". No big deal.
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Wow so this is what coach Lee said to be "good news" yesterday
I'm so happy for TSL ^^
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Very cool.
One thing I've always wondered is where the winnings for tournaments go. Does the winning player get 100%? Do they share a % with the team? Is this ever disclosed?
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This is probably one of the reasons why so few adults plays SC2 full time. The amount of money you get for 8-12 hour job is horrible. And those numbers were for only for the 2 most well payed players...
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On March 14 2011 23:43 frequency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:35 Zocat wrote:On March 14 2011 22:29 GreEny K wrote:On March 14 2011 22:25 zerious wrote:On March 14 2011 22:20 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I just assumed that all of the pro korean teams got paid.. hmmmm... Does that guy int he lower picture look like one of the coaches from MBCgame to anyone else? You don't recognize Coach Lee aka Mama bear? It is him? Looks like him... That's what I was asking. It is him And I think it's fairly obvious that the news is about SC2 teams, not BW/ other games. To the discussion "other teams surely pay as well" - how much? We know basically nothing about how much the western esports players get. In most cases it's even speculation that they anything at all (can anyone link me a source that says Liquid pays it's players?). So to FXOpen from p1: Where can we read up how much your 2 top players earn? Because you could as well pay them 100$ a month (you mentioned something like "more than average" average what? BW A class salary? BW B class? other esport-games salary? SKorean population average? US average?) I think you can understand why this is what the media (and most of TL) are interested in, because we finally get some facts. Not speculation & hints. Player salaries will not be disclosed. By 'average' he meant average comparable to the other foreign teams.
Well, then that doesn't say much because nobody knows how much foreign teams pay their players on average. He also did not specify whether he took into account the teams that do not pay their players any salary at all (the vast majority) to estimate this "average salary" or just the teams that do pay their players.
If the former, then the average salary would be pretty small (close to nothing).
edit: It's also funny to hear that news, because I've seen sc2 fans claim that most/all Korean sc2 pro-teams pay their players in sc2 vs. BW discussions. (Don't want to start another flamewar or derail the thread, just wanted to point that out.)
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On March 14 2011 23:17 infinity2k9 wrote:
Its funny people say 31k is perfectly acceptable in this thread; In threads about the match fixing people posted salaries of this amount to be an acceptable reason for people to match fix, as if its somehow justified.
One game is less than a year old and still finding it's place in the Korean e-sports scene. The other is the most successful e-sport ever. It's like comparing NFL salaries to XFL salaries. Match fixing is wrong anyways so I don't know why you would bring that up.
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Wow. $31k. That's like 10% of what Flash makes.
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From what I know which might be incorrect. The average Korean makes around 15,000,000 KRW a year so the progamers are making a lot more than that. Prize money + Salary Avg out at least 50,000,000 KRW when this includes food and housing I think it is a good deal.
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Flash looks at the news, looks at his contract.
"not yet."
But on a serious note. We are on a good way. I'm sure if we had OGN and MBC from the start, things would have exploded faster.
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Sweet, player salaries. SC2 is getting places!
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wtf i expected all players in the major teams would get salaries. they get a place to sleep and play and thats it? i would rather play for a western team then...
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Man this is the life, doing something you love and being able to pay the bills for this.... I wish I could live a life such as this...
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30K plus prize winnings isn't too shabby, especially if you're a top player.
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