EPT(countring Idra as half U.S. and half Korean, since he got all his skills there)
[Q&A] Official NASL Thread - Page 87
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JustPassingBy
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(countring Idra as half U.S. and half Korean, since he got all his skills there) | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:30 AndreiDaGiant wrote: i Think kiwi should definitely be there... i also think cloud is a european player but i could be wrong... i think the fact cruncher is in it is a little strange If Cruncher maintains his form lately you might not think it's strange he's in NASL anymore. | ||
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NukemDukem
United States133 Posts
Idra Socke Cloud Sen | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On March 24 2011 02:54 NukemDukem wrote: New player updates Idra Socke Cloud Sen No... TLO, Strelok, Slush, Machine, Sen | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
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NukemDukem
United States133 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
ETA: Oh not everyone? Screenshot of my Chrome: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5hd0q.png) ETA2: I don't know what happened but after I refreshed like 5 times it is now displaying properly. Strange because before that I had closed down Chrome and reopened it completely and it still showed strange like the screenshot, but now it's totally fine. *shrug* | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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MorNin
United States443 Posts
On March 24 2011 06:00 KillerDucky wrote: Just noticed the player table at http://nasl.tv does not display properly with Chrome. If you're using Chrome, try loading it with Firefox or IE. Good here | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 24 2011 06:00 KillerDucky wrote: Just noticed the player table at http://nasl.tv does not display properly with Chrome. If you're using Chrome, try loading it with Firefox or IE. ETA: Oh not everyone? Screenshot of my Chrome: Looks like it's updated also: 11.0.696.16 beta I had that problem yesterday, but after a refresh or two it worked fine. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
Advantages+ Show Spoiler + Advantages - Many Matches Disadvantages - Incentives for players to fold. - Top & Bottom players plays equal number of matches. - Large Groups -> outcome of some games doesn't matter to players or viewers. Number of Matches = up to 255 (Winner plays up to 13 Matches) Abbreviations G = Groups P = Players M = Matches played (sometimes Matches played "per group") 1st Group Stage 5G of 10P: 4G*45M=225M (-> -> 1st+2nd->Playoffs, 11-30->Second Chance, 31-34->Back Next Season, 35-50->Out) Second Chance (Ranked 11-30) 5G of 4P: 5G *3M = 15M (1st->Playoffs, 2-4th->Back Next Season) Open Tournament: Winner ->Playoffs Playoffs 16P playoffs (15M)= 15M My question is if you are going to rework the competition format for next season? If so, are you willing to listen to my suggestions? So, I've analyzed your current tournament format and found some weaknesses and room for improvement. One weakness is that your current system will produce a lot of matches were neither players nor viewers has very much at stake. Black Dragon League is a tournament that suffers from this exact problem. The second weakness is that your current system fields weaker and better players almost as much. Viewers generally prefer better games. As such you'd want to maximize matches between the best of the best. I'll give you one thing: The system you are using now is really good in maximizing number of games played. Adhering to some simple principles I've created a few examples of alternative formats while trying to stay true to your original concept. The principles I'm using is: - Allow only groups of 3 or 4 to ensure that each player carries a stake in each match. - Eliminate losers players quickly to make room for games between good players. - Pair off good players early to determine their seeding and increase viewership. Examples of altarnative formats Possibility 1 - 64 Players "Simple Format" Advantages+ Show Spoiler + Disadvantages - Many Matches. - All games matter to each player. - Better seeding automatically gained during tournament. - Small Groups -> Outcome of each game matters to each player. Disadvantages - More players. - No spot for "Open Tournament" Winner. - Top & Bottom players plays equal number of matches. Number of Matches = up to 255 (Winner plays up to 12 Matches) Abbreviations G = Groups P = Players M = Matches played (sometimes Matches played "per group") 1st Group Stage (64P) 16G of 4P: 16G*6M = 96M (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th*) 2nd Group stage (64P, One 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th* in each group) 16G of 4P: 16G*6M = 96M (1st+2nd+3rd->CB, 4th->Out) 3rd Group stage (48P. One 1st, 2nd, 3rd in each group) 16G of 3P: 16G*3M = 48M (1st+2nd->Playoffs, 3rd->Back Next Season) Playoffs (Top 16P) 16P playoffs (15M)= 15M *If desirable, replace 4th place finishers with qualifiers to increase inflow of new players. Possibility 2 - 64 players Better "Complex Format" Advantages+ Show Spoiler + Advantages - Many Matches. - Spot for "Open Tournament" Winner. - More matches played by better players. - Better seeding automatically gained during tournament. - Small Groups -> Outcome of each game matters to each player. Disadvantages - More players. GS= Group Stage Group Stage 1 GS1: Bottom 16 eliminated GS1: Top 48 moves on to GS2 Group Stage 2 GS2: All players ranked for GS3 -> Top, Center, Bottom Group Stage 3 GS3 - Top: Top15 to playoffs, seeds 1-15 GS3 - Top: 16th player back next season GS3 - Center: Top8 to playoffs, seeds 17-24 GS3 - Center: Bottom 8 to GS3: Bottom GS3 - Bottom: 1st, 8 players to playoffs, seeds 25-32 GS3 - Bottom: 2nd, 8 players back next season GS3 - Bottom: 3rd, 8 players back next season or eliminated Open Qualifier Winner to playoffs, as seed 16 Playoffs Determines Winner, everyone in playoffs is back next season Number of Matches = up to 246 (Winner plays up to 16 Matches) Abbreviations G = Groups P = Players M = Matches played (sometimes Matches played "per group") T = Top "player pool" C = Centre "player pool" (CB= Centre-Bottom "player pool") B = Bottom "player pool" Format of Possibility 2 1st Group stage (64Players) 16G of 4P: 16G*6M = 96Matches (1st+2nd+3rd-> on to 2nd Group Stage, 4th->Out) 2nd Group stage (48P. One 1st, 2nd, 3rd in each group) 16G of 3P: 16G*3M = 48M (1st->Top, 2nd->Centre, 3rd->Bottom) 3rd Top Group Stage (T16) 4G of 4P: 4G * 6M = 16M (Places players in new groups: Winners, seconds, thirds, fourths) 4G of 4P: 4G * 6M = 16M (Seeds players: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16*->Playoffs) *16th seed's replaced in Playoffs by Open Tournament winner. 3rd Centre Group Stage (C16) 4G of 4P: 4G * 6M = 16M (1st+2nd->Playoffs, 3rd+4th-> Bottom Group Stage) 3rd Bottom Group Stage (24P, B16+8CB) 8G of 3P: 8G * 3M = 24M (1st->Playoffs, 2nd+3rd*->Back next season) Playoffs (32P) 32P playoffs (31M)= 31M *If desirable, replace 3rd place finishers with qualifiers to increase inflow of new players. Possibility 2b - 48 Player version Advantages:+ Show Spoiler + Advantages - Less players. - Spot for "Open Tournament" Winner. - Much more matches played by better players. - Better seeding automatically gained during tournament. - Small Groups -> Outcome of each game matters to each player. Disadvantages - Less Matches. Number of Matches = up to 198 (Winner plays up to 15 Matches) Abbreviations G = Groups P = Players M = Matches played (sometimes Matches played "per group") T = Top "player pool" C = Centre "player pool" (CB= Centre-Bottom "player pool") B = Bottom "player pool" Format of Possibility 2b 1st Group stage (48Players) 16G of 3P: 16G*3M = 48Matches -> (1st+2nd+3rd -> seeded into 2nd Group Stage) 2nd Group stage (48P. One 1st, 2nd, 3rd in each group) 16G of 3P: 16G*3M = 48M (1st->Top, 2nd->Centre, 3rd->Bottom) 3rd Top Group Stage (T16) 4G of 4P: 4G * 6M = 16M (Places players in new groups: Winners, seconds, thirds, fourths) 4G of 4P: 4G * 6M = 16M (Seeds players: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16*->Playoffs) *16th seed's replaced in Playoffs by Open Tournament winner. 3rd Centre Group Stage (C16) 4G of 4P: 4G * 6M = 16M (1st+2nd->Playoffs, 3rd+4th-> Bottom Group Stage) 3rd Bottom Group Stage (24P, B16+8CB) 8G of 3P: 8G * 3M = 24M (1st->Playoffs, 2nd+3rd->Out) Playoffs (32P) 32P playoffs (31M)= 31M Note that in groups of 4, GSL pairing is generally preferred although a few exceptions exists. I've tried to stay close to the current format in features such as number of players and matches played. The above examples could easily be reworked to shave off up to a 100 matches. | ||
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NukemDukem
United States133 Posts
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
How will the 5 groups of 4(the next 20) be played out? Say Group 1 is (1)  TLO, (2)  SjoW, (3)  Artosis, (4)  CatZ. At that point will it be TLO vs CatZ and SjoW vs Artosis with the winners to face off for a spot in the Final 16 man tournament or will it be similiar to the pool play of the GSL? | ||
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WGarrison
United States96 Posts
On March 26 2011 02:49 CptGrackSparrow wrote: QUESTION How will the 5 groups of 4(the next 20) be played out? Say Group 1 is (1) TLO, (2) SjoW, (3) Artosis, (4) CatZ. At that point will it be TLO vs CatZ and SjoW vs Artosis with the winners to face off for a spot in the Final 16 man tournament or will it be similiar to the pool play of the GSL?I think you missed the memo, the way it works is 5 groups of 10 people. Every person in the group plays every other person in the group for a total of 9 matches for each person. We don't know the full groups yet, each announcement is adding to the groups of 10. | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
On March 26 2011 02:53 WGarrison wrote: I think you missed the memo, the way it works is 5 groups of 10 people. Every person in the group plays every other person in the group for a total of 9 matches for each person. We don't know the full groups yet, each announcement is adding to the groups of 10. you misunderstood my question. once the 5 groups of 10 are over the top 2 from each group move on to the 16 man tourny (10 slots full). Then the next 20 players from the original divisions based on win/loss are split into 5 groups of 4. The top player from each of those groups (5 more players) make it into the 16 man tourny (15 slots full). I want to know how that 2nd group stage works. The lighter blue section of the image on the first page. | ||
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Skytalker
Sweden671 Posts
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