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On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously...
I think it has nothing to do with NASL, so I don't understand why this is in this thread.
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On February 24 2011 23:02 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 22:59 TRG wrote:On February 24 2011 21:51 hiddenbanshee wrote:
i'm very dissapointed to hear the games will not be live and this strongly affects chances of paying for content.
why pay for vods when I can get vods for free. why watch live when its a vod? how is it considered "live"? I have to agree with this... I'd take LIVE matches over quality any day. It's much more entertaining and exciting to watch a live match then a simple uploaded video. Hell, that's what youtube is for. I pay for GSL because occasionally, I'll stay up till 4 and watch the Koreans. There's no way I'll be willing to pay for content that can't be watched live, simply isn't worth it. GSL can be live because the players are in booths there in front of cameras. NASL can't be live because it's online and people can cheat. Has this logic escaped you or are you just ignoring simple facts to continue the lynching ?
Obviously there would need to be a slight delay to avoid cheating... There is still a huge difference in watching an event with a few minutes delay than watching it several hours later, at least in my opinion.
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On February 25 2011 00:50 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I think it has nothing to do with NASL, so I don't understand why this is in this thread.
Incontrol is the commentator, spokesperson, liaison to the community for NASL, per their description of his tasks.
How does it have nothing to do with the NASL? He's an integral part of it.
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the games should be broadcast live. not many have, or care what starcraft looks like on a 72" television. i will be watching the games regardless (i never watch the gsl live, always the vods, due to their broadcast time), but i definitely support live broadcasts. if the games are broadcast at a time that's convenient i would love to watch them live.
this may have been covered (apologies, haven't read the entire thread yet), but their should be zero squabbling over the term "live". nobody cares about casting, recording, whatever. "live" unequivocally means "games, broadcast, commentated, and played at the same time". any usage of the word "live" otherwise is disingenuous.
that said, i'm really glad to see the organizers involved in soliciting the opinion of the fans. hopefully they'll listen
On February 24 2011 10:31 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 10:24 cheesemaster wrote:On February 24 2011 10:22 Plexa wrote:On February 24 2011 10:15 cheesemaster wrote:On February 24 2011 10:13 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 24 2011 08:28 cheesemaster wrote:On February 23 2011 18:55 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:50 Dhalphir wrote:On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this? Because the TSL is not claiming to be a North American equivalent of the GSL, it is just a simple tournament being run by one website. In addition, I'm fairly sure the actual TSL itself will be cast live, but even if it isn't, its not on the same scale, and the same expectation does not exist. We also won't be paying for the TSL games. Every TSL event in the past has been cast off replays. The point is that, you're arguing that the "not live" cheapens the affect. However, we have documented proof (in the fact that TSL 1 and TSL 2 were HUGELY successful being cast ENTIRELY off replays, aka NOT live) that an event that is cast "not live" is just as exciting as an event that is cast "live" ... The fact that TSL was free and NASL is not (you can watch NASL free stream so your argument is kind of a moot point because if you're watching NASL live you don't need to pay... if you're watching the VODS, you need to pay, but if you're watching the VOD its already by definition not live) relevant to anything. Honestly, your argument isn't coherent. First you're saying "not live" cheapens the experience. Then I counter with some evidence that shows that "not live" events have just the same amount of interest / excitement. You then say "but that was free and this isn't"... well actually, it is. So, what are you arguing about? Hmm i never knew that the TSL wasnt broadcast live, its the only tournament i havent watched to much but im pretty sure most people thought it was cast live, when i hear of a huge tournament i automatically assume that it is cast live. Most large sc2 tournament are that is just one example of one that isnt, but it also isnt going to be a league i think most people will hold NASL to similair standards of the gsl at least in regards to being broadcast live. A vast majority of the people in this thread have at least a mild problem with the NASL not being brodcast live, you keep brushing it off like its nothing no matter what you say though everyones mind works the same in this regard, it is just not as interesting when it is not broadcast live. Im not saying it wont be succesful because of this but i do think it will be less succesful. Also i think far less people will be willing to pay for a HQ live stream that isnt live. I dont pay for the GSL premium service to watch the VOD's i like watching my events live I pay for the HQ stream so i dont have to watch my live event in rubbish quality. How would people assume it was live when in the stream it clearly showed people opening replays, lol. Yea sorry i meant people who hadnt seen it would assume it was live, like i said i havent really watched a TSL only the TSL opens wich i know are live. So I would assume if the lesser tournament were live the big one would be too but maybe thats just me. Thats kind of lame they dont do it live, i would be a bit dissapointed finding that out because i was planning on watching the upcoming one of course, oh well at least i know now Any tournament cast online and live is jeopardising the integrity of their tournament. Any tournament wishing to be big or successful with a significant online component simply has to be done this way. Being 'live' adds virtually nothing to the event in all honesty, if the games are good you'll still feel the rush of a live game. Wouldnt delaying the stream by 10 minutes completly negate this? Like I said above im sure it wouldnt be that hard to do. Honestly i have no problem with it for a tournament like TSL. I just think a league like NASL should try to be Live if at all possible and delay the stream by 10 minutes or so And in the event of a disconnect? Or lag? etc. There are further implications beyond creating a fair gaming environment.
GSL seems to be doing just fine. If the NASL games are played in-person, in their studio, then they should aim for the same production setup as GSL.
On February 24 2011 12:01 gibbons_ wrote:Dear iNcontroL and Xeris, While I and the community appreciate what you are doing to the nth degree, I feel like something should be said for you to consider. This is my first post on TeamLiquid - I left the shadows of lurking to offer this advice. You are now operating a business. Whether you like it or not, this is no longer just gaming. This may be your career from here on out. You are well respected community members, but you are no longer just well known SC players making posts about the game. In both posts by iNcontroL and Xeris, you two seem to be taking the criticism of NASL very personally. Your responses are defensive and sometimes rude. You are now speaking to your CUSTOMERS. People who will be buying your high quality streams and clicking on the advertisements during the free streams. Saying things to us like "Santa doesn't exist" and telling us that our arguments are incoherent and, to paraphrase, 'stupid', is very unprofessional. Before you reply to anyone commenting or questioning NASL, please understand that you are the only professional representatives of your business venture. There are real corporations backing this with real money on the line. Before you hit the post button, just take a quick read through your post and ask yourself, "Is this something a Kingston, Sennheiser, Sony Ericsson, Intel, etc. customer service representative would say to a customer?" You guys haven't directly insulted me at all. I'm just trying to offer some friendly advice from someone who knows a modest amount of the business world. Thanks for all your effort and keep it up! I look forward to buying your HQ stream 
well said. inc and xeris would certainly do well to listen to this
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Question (what this thread is actually for): How does NASL plan to prevent spoiling of the games during the preliminaries? I know I've been spoiled several times just by having chat open during anything that wasn't played live due to the ability to see match history on Bnet and also the huge amount of observers that clog games nowadays.
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I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He even recently stopped being a mod in this community(I think, sorry if I'm wrong), in order to focus and work on the NASL. So I think this has more to do with the NASL then most people are thinking.
obviously this is very opinionated so please TRY and take it with a grain of salt.
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How would you describe the intended viewership experience for those that attend regular season at the studio?
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On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously...
I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality...
All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real.
As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that...
On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL.
He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question...
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On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question...
Why does it matter if someone is restreaming GSL if they aren't listed on TL and aren't posting about the stream on TL?
Incontrol only knew it existed because he asked his stream chat, and Huko was banned because he doesn't agree with Inc being the face of NASL--the "huge prick" part.
And why didn't he ban himself after restreaming the GSL?
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On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question...
The concern here is that he banned someone for restreaming the GSL within days of broadcasting himself watching a restream on his show.
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On February 25 2011 01:03 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... Why does it matter if someone is restreaming GSL if they aren't listed on TL and aren't posting about the stream on TL? Incontrol only knew it existed because he asked his stream chat, and Huko was banned because he doesn't agree with Inc being the face of NASL--the "huge prick" part.
Sorry but people & huko himself have posted his restream link in the GSL LR threads before. Go through Huko's posts in those threads yourself.
Edit: As I said in my previous post, incontrol found out it was a nono after his restream incident (seriously less than 10 minutes of actual game time, if you call that a restream) 3 days ago. Huko was banned yesterday, after incontrol found out it was a nono.
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This is like someone calling the cops on their dealer because they got caught smoking their purchased weed.
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On February 25 2011 01:06 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 01:03 cyprin wrote:On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... Why does it matter if someone is restreaming GSL if they aren't listed on TL and aren't posting about the stream on TL? Incontrol only knew it existed because he asked his stream chat, and Huko was banned because he doesn't agree with Inc being the face of NASL--the "huge prick" part. Sorry but people & huko himself have posted his restream link in the GSL LR threads before. Go through Huko's posts in those threads yourself. Edit: As I said in my previous post, incontrol found out it was a nono after his restream incident 3 days ago. Huko was banned yesterday, after incontrol found out it was a nono.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Huko&gb=date
he hasn't linked his stream since november--so he deserves to be banned from teamliquid, a site that he doesn't associate his stream with in anyway?
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On February 25 2011 01:05 tsularesque wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... The concern here is that he banned someone for restreaming the GSL within days of broadcasting himself watching a restream on his show.
The impression I'm getting from several posts in this thread is that iNcontroL subsequently apologized for restreaming on SotG; I didn't catch it if he did, but if he did there's a significant difference between restreaming not full screen with no audio, then realizing your error and apologizing and restreaming full screen in full audio repeatedly even after your channel gets taken down.
Regardless, I'm curious what sort of "retribution" people want. An apology of some sort may be justified, but it would also make sense that he has to consult with the higher-ups at NASL for their opinions first. Can't he get time?
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On February 25 2011 01:05 tsularesque wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... The concern here is that he banned someone for restreaming the GSL within days of broadcasting himself watching a restream on his show.
He was watching a restream in a small window with the volume muted while alt-tabbing through websites and chatting with JP and Idra on skype. He was not doing a full screen restream like Huko, there is a huge difference between the two.
Huko on the other hand has been banned multiple times from Ustream and other streaming sites for his shenanigans.
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On February 25 2011 01:11 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 01:05 tsularesque wrote:On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... The concern here is that he banned someone for restreaming the GSL within days of broadcasting himself watching a restream on his show. He was watching a restream in a small window with the volume muted while alt-tabbing through websites and chatting with JP and Idra on skype. He was not doing a full screen restream like Huko, there is a huge difference between the two.
If there were a difference he wouldn't have received a warning from JTV for rebroadcasting copyrighted content.
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On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:
He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question...
It is a serious question, and I dont think you have the whole story straight. ill quote huko so you can see his view "He asked for a restream on his stream (because hes too famous to watch GomTV second link). His chat lead him to my stream where we happened to be having a debate whether Incontrol should be the face of NASL (Where I think strongly he should not be), he saw this and then banned me on TL permanently. For "Re-streaming GSL and being a huge prick"."
So yes it is a serious question, but I guess it can only be answered by NASL or incontrol.
In my opinion there is no way he got banned for re-streaming only(without being hypocritical), but if that is the case I would like to hear it from him.
edit: also do you truthfully think that incontrol only banned him because of restreaming? If so, why is he not actively fighting copyright laws and trying to find/ban others for restreaming?
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On February 25 2011 01:06 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 01:03 cyprin wrote:On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... Why does it matter if someone is restreaming GSL if they aren't listed on TL and aren't posting about the stream on TL? Incontrol only knew it existed because he asked his stream chat, and Huko was banned because he doesn't agree with Inc being the face of NASL--the "huge prick" part. Sorry but people & huko himself have posted his restream link in the GSL LR threads before. Go through Huko's posts in those threads yourself.
I think you need the order of events explained
Inc asks for a restream of Gom on his stream, because he is too cheap to buy a ticket
Someone links Huko's stream for him to watch GSL on
Incontrol, who has had words with Huko on this forum because Huko criticized his ability to perform his role in NASL, decides to ban him from the forum for restreaming GSL upon discovering whos stream he was linked to.
It was pretty clearly an ego driven abuse of moderator power. He has since stepped down (kudos for doing that) but it reinforces the stance of people who don't think Inc is suited for his tasks in NASL. Whether or not he is, time will tell.
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On February 25 2011 01:13 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 01:06 xBillehx wrote:On February 25 2011 01:03 cyprin wrote:On February 25 2011 00:59 vdek wrote:On February 25 2011 00:45 zeru wrote:
I think people defending incontrol are overreacting. It's not like people are saying incontrol is a terrible person, it's more the point that he's not the right person to represent a big event/organization like this because in my mind he's basically saying:
I'm going to watch a restream of GSL, no one else should do that though, and I want you to pay for NASL tickets, and dont watch restreams of that either. thanks.
It's beyond me how people can want a character like that to represent the biggest most important(?) non korean SC2 tournament which is going to need all the support it can get. It's not even like it's only a couple people who don't approve of this, its quite a lot of you haven't noticed.
It's not about "hating" on incontrol, hell i love sotg and he's hilarious, but seriously... seriously... I don't think we're overreacting at all. I think the haters are being a bit too much however. You're basically demanding that this guy whose spent decades building up esports in the west, who has been a pro gamer himself and a great member of the community, who has dedicated his life and passion to esports, should just give up his dream because you don't like his personality... All you're doing is looking for the smallest thing to pick apart his character and to try to ruin him. You don't like him because he banned you for restreaming, so let's start a giant slanderous thread on reddit and hijack a thread on team liquid to assasinate his character with misrepresented pictures. Get real. As other posters have mentioned he was never doing a full screen restream of the GSL, but you conveniently choose to ignore that... On February 25 2011 00:57 paksam wrote:
I think everybody is putting things out of context, I personally don't care that he accidentally restreamed GSL. I care that he banned someone for no good reason because he had the power to. Also for all who say this has nothing to do with the NASL, I don't see how that opinion is valid only because he stated himself he wanted to be the face of the NASL. He got banned for restreaming the GSL, I can't tell if you're trolling or if that's a serious question... Why does it matter if someone is restreaming GSL if they aren't listed on TL and aren't posting about the stream on TL? Incontrol only knew it existed because he asked his stream chat, and Huko was banned because he doesn't agree with Inc being the face of NASL--the "huge prick" part. Sorry but people & huko himself have posted his restream link in the GSL LR threads before. Go through Huko's posts in those threads yourself. I think you need the order of events explained Inc asks for a restream of Gom on his stream, because he is too cheap to buy a ticket Someone links Huko's stream for him to watch GSL on Incontrol, who has had words with Huko on this forum because Huko criticized his ability to perform his role in NASL, decides to ban him from the forum for restreaming GSL upon discovering whos stream he was linked to. It was pretty clearly an ego driven abuse of moderator power. He has since stepped down (kudos for doing that) but it reinforces the stance of people who don't think Inc is suited for his tasks in NASL. Whether or not he is, time will tell.
I would also like to add that how could incontrol not know about gsl re-streams being against the rules prior to these events listed? It was all over tl.net before this and mods were banning and disabling streamers on tl.net for this. I'm sure it was communicated to mods prior to this so they could carry out the bans.
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