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On February 24 2011 23:55 paksam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:34 Dommk wrote:On February 24 2011 23:31 paksam wrote:On February 24 2011 23:25 Dommk wrote:-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it. Casting would be play by play, explanation of what was happening. There was nothing of the sort, usually it was just then throwing around what they thought, it was very informal, if you weren't also watching the games on another stream for yourself then you would not be able to make sense of anything that was going on. It was exactly what you would expect, three friends talking on skype about the game and having a good time (pretty hilarious I might add, birth of that cat gif, and the photo shopping that was going on)but allowing everyone else to listen in as well You two should stop arguing with each other about what happened(that one time), and try and focus on how this affects the NASL because of how this represents his character. This topic I feel is very important because he himself said he is trying to be the face of the NASL. I feel only a response from incontrol himself will stop this. My concern wasn't the affects on NASL -- he did something wrong obviously and that is something he should apologize for -- but rather people blowing this out of proportion and making it seem like he did something much worse than he actually did. Very true I agree with you. I think we should all give a chance for incontrol to explain. Because of this short post I will ask a question about the NASL aswell. They mentioned a 16-man offline tournament. How does that work if sc2 is played over battle.net and subsequently the internet?
They mean that it's played in person in booths in front of an audience, etc. The computers are still connected to the internet. (The in-person nature makes it much harder to cheat and adds suspense.)
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Canada55 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:55 paksam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:34 Dommk wrote:On February 24 2011 23:31 paksam wrote:On February 24 2011 23:25 Dommk wrote:-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it. Casting would be play by play, explanation of what was happening. There was nothing of the sort, usually it was just then throwing around what they thought, it was very informal, if you weren't also watching the games on another stream for yourself then you would not be able to make sense of anything that was going on. It was exactly what you would expect, three friends talking on skype about the game and having a good time (pretty hilarious I might add, birth of that cat gif, and the photo shopping that was going on)but allowing everyone else to listen in as well You two should stop arguing with each other about what happened(that one time), and try and focus on how this affects the NASL because of how this represents his character. This topic I feel is very important because he himself said he is trying to be the face of the NASL. I feel only a response from incontrol himself will stop this. My concern wasn't the affects on NASL -- he did something wrong obviously and that is something he should apologize for -- but rather people blowing this out of proportion and making it seem like he did something much worse than he actually did. Very true I agree with you. I think we should all give a chance for incontrol to explain. Because of this short post I will ask a question about the NASL aswell. They mentioned a 16-man offline tournament. How does that work if sc2 is played over battle.net and subsequently the internet?
I can answer that !
What he said above me ^
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To react to all of the incontrol hate in the thread: He is starting a North American league, it doesn't matter if he's "not the best" or "makes fun of people too much" him and a very small team are making a huge investment in e-sports. Whether or not you like him you have to like that, and really you should keep your hate to yourselves, especially in this thread, considering what him and that team are doing for you regardless.
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On February 25 2011 00:01 confusedcrib wrote:
To react to all of the incontrol hate in the thread: He is starting a North American league, it doesn't matter if he's "not the best" or "makes fun of people too much" him and a very small team are making a huge investment in e-sports. Whether or not you like him you have to like that, and really you should keep your hate to yourselves, especially in this thread, considering what him and that team are doing for you regardless.
You should try reading the original thread from reddit before you post.
I'll make it easy for you:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4629/10843172.png
If he cared about esports so much he'd be supporting the gsl, not restreaming the HQ stream.
He just wants to line his pockets.
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Please, please, please close this thread. There is no reason for TL to support this type of personal character judgement by allowing this thread to continue.
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Canada55 Posts
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered.
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On February 25 2011 00:05 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:01 confusedcrib wrote:
To react to all of the incontrol hate in the thread: He is starting a North American league, it doesn't matter if he's "not the best" or "makes fun of people too much" him and a very small team are making a huge investment in e-sports. Whether or not you like him you have to like that, and really you should keep your hate to yourselves, especially in this thread, considering what him and that team are doing for you regardless. You should try reading the original thread from reddit before you post. I'll make it easy for you: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4629/10843172.pngIf he cared about esports so much he'd be supporting the gsl, not restreaming the HQ stream. He just wants to line his pockets.
You mean the part where he restreamed the Huk matches? How blasphemous! He must hate GOM!
Oh well, people will disagree and be angry no matter what
And with that I will say nothing more because I really didn't want to de-rail this very helpful thread any more than it is. And please don't close this, the Q & A is so helpful.
User was warned for this post
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On February 25 2011 00:01 confusedcrib wrote:
To react to all of the incontrol hate in the thread: He is starting a North American league, it doesn't matter if he's "not the best" or "makes fun of people too much" him and a very small team are making a huge investment in e-sports. Whether or not you like him you have to like that, and really you should keep your hate to yourselves, especially in this thread, considering what him and that team are doing for you regardless.
Hate is a strong word that doesn't suit what people are saying. It's more of a dislike of abiguity, asking for free streams of GOM while wanting money for NASL cast and also banning someone for GSL restreaming even though he himself asked for free streams. It just doesn't compute.
Also a great community should always be open for criticism, as long as it is not baseless. Why are everyone so defensive towards the famous members? Let InControl answer the criticism and hopefully it'll be resolved.
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On February 25 2011 00:09 ShadowLegacy wrote:
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered.
No, they haven't. I've posted several that have been completely ignored. And while I am willing to accept InControl's apology and move on, it's obviously something that he did that was clearly wrong and hypocrtical, and it's not some sort of insane character assassination to be critical of him for it.
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Maybe the collective q&a could be moved to a blog post or the nasl.tv site, just something to reset the discussion to the original intent?
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On February 25 2011 00:06 Thorantham wrote:
Please, please, please close this thread. There is no reason for TL to support this type of personal character judgement by allowing this thread to continue.
I'm leaving it open because in my personal opinion it is much better to have a single thread about a subject than dozens of new ones every time there is a small development or some nobody feels they need somewhere to voice their opinion.
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Canada55 Posts
On February 25 2011 00:12 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:09 ShadowLegacy wrote:
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered. No, they haven't. I've posted several that have been completely ignored. And while I am willing to accept InControl's apology and move on, it's obviously something that he did that was clearly wrong and hypocrtical, and it's not some sort of insane character assassination to be critical of him for it.
I get what you mean but can you agree that this thread is no longer useful for it's intended purpose ?
I have a few questions of my own but voicing them here will get the same result as your questions did, buried in the pile of useless posts.
Best case scenario is the thread is locked until incontrol or someone that the situation concerns opens it to post a response. Until then we will get baseless accusations and just general hate clogging up this thread.
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We probably do need another topic for this Incontrol stuff.
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Regarding sponsors and all;
Many korean pro gamers are sponsored by razer. To name a few: Boxer, Nada, etc.
Have you contacted razer to possibly help with helping them get to the USA? In turn; you can help advertise razer products. I was asking because Razer seems to be "for eSports" and they would probably talk about it on their website, possibly getting a ton more people interested.
I would also ask(pay) Husky to make some announcements on his Youtube. He has over 400k subscribers and clearly they all love SC2. This will help spread the word of the NASL HUGELY.
Just my 2 cents. I really want this to succeed.
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On February 25 2011 00:05 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:01 confusedcrib wrote:
To react to all of the incontrol hate in the thread: He is starting a North American league, it doesn't matter if he's "not the best" or "makes fun of people too much" him and a very small team are making a huge investment in e-sports. Whether or not you like him you have to like that, and really you should keep your hate to yourselves, especially in this thread, considering what him and that team are doing for you regardless. You should try reading the original thread from reddit before you post. I'll make it easy for you: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4629/10843172.pngIf he cared about esports so much he'd be supporting the gsl, not restreaming the HQ stream. He just wants to line his pockets.
So we all need to read a recent reddit thread to know what kind of person incontrol is? I'm pretty sure everything he's done in the past 10 years on teamliquid and especially in the last year related to Starcraft 2 trump that. I don't really need to read a particular thread to have a well-informed opinion about him.
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On February 25 2011 00:18 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:12 aristarchus wrote:On February 25 2011 00:09 ShadowLegacy wrote:
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered. No, they haven't. I've posted several that have been completely ignored. And while I am willing to accept InControl's apology and move on, it's obviously something that he did that was clearly wrong and hypocrtical, and it's not some sort of insane character assassination to be critical of him for it. Best case scenario is the thread is locked until incontrol or someone that the situation concerns opens it to post a response. Until then we will get baseless accusations and just general hate clogging up this thread.
Why should he legitimize their personal character judgements against him? A lot of the members crying in this thread seem to have a vendetta against iNcontrol . A lot of the posters in here I recognize from the same reddit thread which is a big giant circle jerk bashing iNcontrol. He may not be the best person in the world to run the NASL, but you know he's actually doing something about bringing ESports to the west unlike these kids who sit around and try to pick the guy apart. It's really easy to paint only one side of a story and make someone look like a big jerk.
I think this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and personally I feel like it would be best if iNcontrol just ignored it.
As they say, Haters gonna Hate.
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On February 25 2011 00:12 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:09 ShadowLegacy wrote:
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered. No, they haven't. I've posted several that have been completely ignored. And while I am willing to accept InControl's apology and move on, it's obviously something that he did that was clearly wrong and hypocrtical, and it's not some sort of insane character assassination to be critical of him for it.
Did he apologize, I have heard nothing of it...please post a link regarding his apology.
hmm another nasl question too (thanks for answering the first one, i heard a rumor about a different version of sc being realized where u can play offline with people but i guess thats why its called a rumor=p)
How will the prize pools be distibuted in each season? or is it top prize 100k/100k/200k for the 3 seasons?( this is only out of interest)
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On February 25 2011 00:26 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:18 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 25 2011 00:12 aristarchus wrote:On February 25 2011 00:09 ShadowLegacy wrote:
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered. No, they haven't. I've posted several that have been completely ignored. And while I am willing to accept InControl's apology and move on, it's obviously something that he did that was clearly wrong and hypocrtical, and it's not some sort of insane character assassination to be critical of him for it. Best case scenario is the thread is locked until incontrol or someone that the situation concerns opens it to post a response. Until then we will get baseless accusations and just general hate clogging up this thread. Why should he legitimize their personal character judgements against him? A lot of the members crying in this thread seem to have a vendetta against iNcontrol . A lot of the posters in here I recognize from the same reddit thread which is a big giant circle jerk bashing iNcontrol. He may not be the best person in the world to run the NASL, but you know he's actually doing something about bringing ESports to the west unlike these kids who sit around and try to pick the guy apart. It's really easy to paint only one side of a story and make someone look like a big jerk. I think this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and personally I feel like it would be best if iNcontrol just ignored it. As they say, Haters gonna Hate.
I completely agree with you. You win my vote ! No sarcasm intended.
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On February 25 2011 00:26 vdek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:18 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 25 2011 00:12 aristarchus wrote:On February 25 2011 00:09 ShadowLegacy wrote:
Closing this thread might be the best option. All the relavent Questions have been answered. No, they haven't. I've posted several that have been completely ignored. And while I am willing to accept InControl's apology and move on, it's obviously something that he did that was clearly wrong and hypocrtical, and it's not some sort of insane character assassination to be critical of him for it. Best case scenario is the thread is locked until incontrol or someone that the situation concerns opens it to post a response. Until then we will get baseless accusations and just general hate clogging up this thread. Why should he legitimize their personal character judgements against him? A lot of the members crying in this thread seem to have a vendetta against iNcontrol . A lot of the posters in here I recognize from the same reddit thread which is a big giant circle jerk bashing iNcontrol. He may not be the best person in the world to run the NASL, but you know he's actually doing something about bringing ESports to the west unlike these kids who sit around and try to pick the guy apart. It's really easy to paint only one side of a story and make someone look like a big jerk. I think this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and personally I feel like it would be best if iNcontrol just ignored it. As they say, Haters gonna Hate.
I feel obligated to respond since I've posted on reddit questioning his character.
I feel like he should legitimize his personal character judgements because it reflects the league. Another point is they are dealing with big investors and a shit load of money. When something as big as the NASL is announced, it is my opinion that it is great for western esports. But to have someone with a shady character be the face of a league that is suppose to represent the best of the best in the sc2 seems absurd in my opinion. Yes I feel that the the overall public may be too hard on him, but I truly feel like it is necessary for him to protect his character especially if he is to be the face of the NASL
Also before finding out about this, I was a fan of his; I'm just disappointed in this and wonder why it is so wrong to question his character when he pulls a stunt like this?
Sorry if any of this was incoherent, I do understand that I have subpar english skills.
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On February 25 2011 00:05 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 00:01 confusedcrib wrote:
To react to all of the incontrol hate in the thread: He is starting a North American league, it doesn't matter if he's "not the best" or "makes fun of people too much" him and a very small team are making a huge investment in e-sports. Whether or not you like him you have to like that, and really you should keep your hate to yourselves, especially in this thread, considering what him and that team are doing for you regardless. You should try reading the original thread from reddit before you post. I'll make it easy for you: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4629/10843172.pngIf he cared about esports so much he'd be supporting the gsl, not restreaming the HQ stream. He just wants to line his pockets.
Jesus christ dude he didn't restream the HQ stream for one, it was a restream of a restream. I was watching his stream while watching the GSL and 90% of the time the video was minimized on his stream because he was visiting other sites. I'd be surprised if you could get 10 full minutes of actual gametime from his so called restream before he got warned and told he shouldn't do that. That was about 3 days ago, when that first picture was taken. 3 days later he bans someone for doing what he now knows is a nono (disregarding the fact that huko & others have been posting links to his restream knowing that it could get him banned like so many others have been already) & that person takes it upon himself to attempt a crusade on the guy that banned him because he's the "face of the NASL."
Two pictures were cut and cropped taken at different times but mashed together to make the situation seem worse than it actually is. I wonder how many of the reddit posters were actually there while these things took place or just read Huko's post on reddit and jumped on the bandwagon.
Incontrol fucked up by restreaming a restream and he apologized for it. (on SOTG I believe) The fact that he continued his duties at the time as a moderator of TL by banning those who break the rules now that he knew it was against them (Again, restreaming of GSL has gotten many people banned before) does not require a crusade.
To get this out there, I've been meaning to report Huko's stream for a while to get it shut down & I've personally overlooked (wish I hadn't now that it's contributed to all this bullshit) him posting his restream links in the GSL threads without reporting them. Incontrol beat me to it, but if it had been me there wouldn't have been anyone to attack over his ban.
I also feel like you completely skipped over the fact that this guy has been doing stuff for the community for a very long time, all the meanwhile not "lining his pockets." See: + Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 23:51 hifriend wrote:People talking about incontrol not caring about esport need to get a fucking clue. The guy ran the USA national team single-handedly for about 5 years, has continously been doing casting/TL moderating/organizing events and all that stuff for a long time without any personal gain. At last he decided he love esports so much he wanted to build a career around it, so seeing him succeed always makes me very happy. Incontrol can be a loud and ruthless troll and all that (I find him hilarious but I understand that not everyone does), but the one thing you never need to doubt about incontrol is that he is ALL about the growth and survival of esports. Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:20 ReachTheSky wrote:On February 24 2011 23:15 xBillehx wrote:On February 24 2011 23:04 karpo wrote:On February 24 2011 22:47 TLOBrian wrote:
Take a chill pill. Relax.
When did TL become so crazy serious. =/
Incontrol is awesome at what he does - which for the most part is having been a face for esports in the west. Just think about the shit you're saying about the dude, after all he's gone and done for sc2, for the love of Starcraft.
I think it's easy for people to forget the good things. And ps an opinion is an opinion, and some of us agree with incontrol, but yes this is the Internet. Don't go expecting fluffy pillows to be thrown around when you start calling out on one of the people who's done as much as he has for this game.
There. Finally got that off my chest! =)
I'm kinda new to this place but i've already noticed the special treatment "famous" guys get. If you act like a jerk you should be called on it regardless of community standing, just as regular joes do all the time with bans/warnings. Get used to it. While you're add it read these: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 + Show Spoiler +6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS
All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it.
Remember: we ban little kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 1000 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect.
In practice, this policy means a user who has thousands of posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it.
This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on. I quite like it this way. As for the incontrol issue itself you guys need to back way off. This isn't a lynching party and you should be way more respectful of the things hes done and is doing for the community. Yes, he has a different personality than the boring old business man, but you know what? A lot of people like it. I'd also like to suggest a reading by DJWheat regarding professionalism: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=168066 Seriously dude? seriously? Incontrol does what he does because it benefits him in one way or another. Not because of his 'love' for the community'. Please stop being so naive about this and open up your eyes to reality bro. Incontrol is not some fucking husky character. He was doing stuff for this very same community by the time I was like 14 years old (22 now). You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
But hey, I'm sure this will make a nice segment on SOTG next week.
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