EPT[Q&A] Official NASL Thread - Page 41
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MisterPuppy
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:54 Bliznako wrote: The title of the thread is [Q&A] Official NASL Thread, not discuss what your highly valued opinion of how things are done when organizing an Esports event are. On topic... I asked earlier, but the question got lost... Since there is bound to have matches between European and Korean players, how will the inevitable lag be handled? Can this be avoided if the game is actually hosted by a NA host? Actually, a mod has stated explicitly that THIS is the thread to discuss this topic in. He has closed other threads and pointed at this one: On February 24 2011 22:41 Kwark wrote: If you wish to discuss the NASL please use one of the many topics already existing. I've already closed a clone of this topic once today. | ||
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mytent
United States156 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:47 TLOBrian wrote: Does anyone else now think that Incontrol is not the best decision for such a huge endeavor for the west? Apparently hes too famous to pay and support GSL. Take a chill pill. Relax. When did TL become so crazy serious. =/ Incontrol is awesome at what he does - which for the most part is having been a face for esports in the west. Just think about the shit you're saying about the dude, after all he's gone and done for sc2, for the love of Starcraft. I think it's easy for people to forget the good things. And ps an opinion is an opinion, and some of us agree with incontrol, but yes this is the Internet. Don't go expecting fluffy pillows to be thrown around when you start calling out on one of the people who's done as much as he has for this game. There. Finally got that off my chest! =) | ||
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Pondo
Australia283 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:54 Bliznako wrote: The title of the thread is [Q&A] Official NASL Thread, not discuss what your highly valued opinion of how things are done when organizing an Esports event are. Threads discussing the issue he posted about were closed and redirected to here. So yes this is the place to give our opinions on the matter. Because mods told us it was the place. | ||
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:45 pakiepiphany wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/frqvb/this_is_the_face_of_nasl/ Interesting reddit thread going on, essentially incontrol asked for a restream of GSL, he was directed to huko's stream in which they were talking about whether or not incontrol was actually fit to be the face of NASL, which resulted in a perma-ban for huko (which is now reduced to a temp ban) for "restreaming / being a huge prick" Huko's explanation: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/frqvb/this_is_the_face_of_nasl/c1i4r32 Screen shots: http://i.imgur.com/Q5dsy.png http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4629/10843172.png wow this is way out of line for him to do that. | ||
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Zisc
20 Posts
The way I see it is NASL wants to be hosted like a TV show I love Dexter/Spartacus among other TV shows. So why wouldn't people find the same enjoyment out of NASL as they would these hugely popular shows? | ||
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ShadowLegacy
Canada55 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:59 TRG wrote: I have to agree with this... I'd take LIVE matches over quality any day. It's much more entertaining and exciting to watch a live match then a simple uploaded video. Hell, that's what youtube is for. I pay for GSL because occasionally, I'll stay up till 4 and watch the Koreans. There's no way I'll be willing to pay for content that can't be watched live, simply isn't worth it. GSL can be live because the players are in booths there in front of cameras. NASL can't be live because it's online and people can cheat. Has this logic escaped you or are you just ignoring simple facts to continue the lynching ? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:54 Dommk wrote: Dude, it isn't even that big at all, he was on skype with Idra and JP talking about the games, you could barely make out the commentary and video from his stream of another stream since he had the volume lowered and would never full screen the video, and he also publicly apologized on STOG for re-streaming. He also runs commercials after every game, think that was more out of habit. Yes, tell me how it is not a big deal once He as part of the NASL program calls us to support esports and buy premium service and not watch restreams... | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:47 TLOBrian wrote: Take a chill pill. Relax. When did TL become so crazy serious. =/ Incontrol is awesome at what he does - which for the most part is having been a face for esports in the west. Just think about the shit you're saying about the dude, after all he's gone and done for sc2, for the love of Starcraft. I think it's easy for people to forget the good things. And ps an opinion is an opinion, and some of us agree with incontrol, but yes this is the Internet. Don't go expecting fluffy pillows to be thrown around when you start calling out on one of the people who's done as much as he has for this game. There. Finally got that off my chest! =) I'm kinda new to this place but i've already noticed the special treatment "famous" guys get. If you act like a jerk you should be called on it regardless of community standing, just as regular joes do all the time with bans/warnings. | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:52 Shockk wrote: Invoking Godwin's law as your very first act of defense is pretty weak. Let's see where this all is going. Pretty sure we need more context to judge it properly, but it'll be interesting what Mr. Inc has to say. Oh, I'm not defending anyone. I'm just starting find these constant hissy fits over such minor things to be quite tedious. | ||
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Bliznako
Serbia165 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:00 Pondo wrote: Threads discussing the issue he posted about were closed and redirected to here. So yes this is the place to give our opinions on the matter. Because mods told us it was the place. Hm, if that is really the case, time to stop looking for updates in this thread. It lost any common sense a while ago. | ||
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noD
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
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pakiepiphany
United States8 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:08 Bliznako wrote: Hm, if that is really the case, time to stop looking for updates in this thread. It lost any common sense a while ago. It's true, i made a separate post but mods told me to go into one of the NASL posts that are already open. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195960 | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:58 TLOBrian wrote: How is it not that big a deal!? I'm so confused by your logic that this isn't a big deal just because it was in shitty quality. Does this mean that I can stream myself stealing from a store in low quality and then have it not a big deal when someone complains about it? What are you ON dude? It is not that big of a deal because at the time he didn't actually know it was wrong to restream GSL, he then apologized on STOG. That and all you got was just a restream of another stream that was constantly being flipped back and forth between websites, if you actually wanted to watch the games you probably wouldn't have even been able to get much out of it. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong, but it certainly isn't a big deal, no one watching his stream was watching it because he was restreaming GSL, they were watching his stream for the commentary between InControl, Jp and IdrA. | ||
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paksam
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:07 flodeskum wrote: Oh, I'm not defending anyone. I'm just starting find these constant hissy fits over such minor things to be quite tedious. Things I have wrong with this. 1. He's a "respected member" of TL. 2. He's a member of EG. 3. He is involved with opening the biggest starcraft 2 teamleague season ever known in the west. 4. He continually says to support esports, and not to pirate streams. Now. 1. He, being a member of TL, should set an example. Not be the exception to the rule. 2. He, being a member of EG, should support his team and Esports as a whole. 3. He, being the face of NASL, should support esports, remain in a neutral tone and light, and be able to control his emotions in the face of slight annoyances, instead of blowing up. 4. He asked for a restream, casted over it, AND made money off of it through commercials. I think this blatantly says "Fuck you!" to the esports community, to GOMtv, and to Tasteless and Artosis as well. They get paid from these streams and VODs, if they don't get watched, GSL goes down the shit hole. And they lose their casting jobs. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:04 karpo wrote: I'm kinda new to this place but i've already noticed the special treatment "famous" guys get. If you act like a jerk you should be called on it regardless of community standing, just as regular joes do all the time with bans/warnings. Get used to it. While you're add it read these: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 + Show Spoiler + 6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it. Remember: we ban little kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 1000 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect. In practice, this policy means a user who has thousands of posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it. This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on. I quite like it this way. As for the incontrol issue itself you guys need to back way off. This isn't a lynching party and you should be way more respectful of the things hes done and is doing for the community. Yes, he has a different personality than the boring old business man, but you know what? A lot of people like it. I'd also like to suggest a reading by DJWheat regarding professionalism: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=168066 | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:11 Dommk wrote: It is not that big of a deal because at the time he didn't actually know it was wrong to restream GSL, he then apologized on STOG. That and all you got was just a restream of another stream that was constantly being flipped back and forth between websites, if you actually wanted to watch the games you probably wouldn't have even been able to get much out of it. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong, but it certainly isn't a big deal, no one watching his stream was watching it because he was restreaming GSL, they were watching his stream for the commentary between InControl, Jp and IdrA. How could he not know it was wrong to re-stream gsl when he, as a mod, has banned people for it several times in the past? I specifically tuned in to his stream to watch it when i heard about it since i'm on a mac and can't catch gomstreams. Kinda funny how the guy played more commericals than usually while restreaming ;P | ||
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Ipp
United States456 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:59 MisterPuppy wrote: ^he did an HD-restream of the GSL a few days ago on his own stream. You think he'll let that fly for NASL? Did you watch his "restream" or are you just getting it from what you read? For the part I saw, InControl did not "restream" the GSL; he had a restream up while he was talking to people on skype about the games. I feel using "HD-Restream" makes what he did sound 10x worse, he had people on skype talking about the games with the sound virtually muted and the window not maximized. Yes, it is still wrong, but InControl did add content to it; it isn't like he just grabbed a bag of popcorn, maximized the window and sat back and listened to tastosis. Calling it a normal restream puts an even worse spin on a bad story. | ||
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