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1) Are there any players who applied for NASL already, where can we see that ?
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2) It will be difficult to find a good broadcasting schedule for the players around the world and the viewer, because of that...
a) ...do think foreigner player in korea like Jinro want to play in your league ?
b) ...and do you think you figure some high class korean players like MC, Nestea or MVP on playing in NASL ?
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On February 24 2011 17:36 mishimaBeef wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 17:33 Vei wrote: If you're trying to make SC2 a "professional sport" it can't be prerecorded. No "professional sport" is. Other than that... sounds golden. Most "professional sports" also have tons of production crew and experience working to create a high quality product in real time.
And in fact, this tournament is providing more prize money than alot of professional sports tournaments out there, so you would think they would be able to get a crew of people able to do some live production, I know for a fact there are plenty out there.
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It is like someone PM'd you said OMG they talking shit to you Incontrol, you must respond! You need to read what people are saying, we aren't telling you to change away from your douchebaggery humor. If you did that, you'd be nobody, that is why you have success in SC2.
You advertise this league as a premiere league to help grow Western E-Sports. It will never grow with you being the face of it. Sure it won't hurt it as I accidentally came across saying earlier, but it won't grow e-sports in the west. This is basically another tournament for the most popular players. If you want this to grow, you (the face of NASL) need to become more professional. That is the role you stepped into and the whole Jerry Springer excuse of IM JUST BEING ME is not going to help E-Sports. If you marketed this as a invitational with the best players in NA/EU casted by Incontrol with a huge prize pool, I wouldn't be more pumped and supportive. This is advertised as a professional organization with Incontrol being the face of it though.... That couldn't be more contradictory.
You might think I am one of a kind, but this is a very common opinion. MANY people feel the same as me, but they are scared to disrespect on these forums in fear of a ban or whatever. We all want this to succeed, but I am sorry, you being the face of it is holding it back from what you guys want it to be.
Sorry my thoughts are all jumbled, all of this was stated earlier in my posts.
User was temp banned for this post.
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I agree with ImHuko in that for this to ever be more then just another tournament a person that is going to be a face of it needs to act professional. In this case this is InControl. I also feel he needs to change his act if he plans to do this long term.
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This really isn't the thread to discuss incontrol. ... IMO this thread could use some significant cleaning up. It already has too much baggage to be salvaged as a good Q&A thread without removing a lot of the unnecessary/unconstructive criticism. My post included.
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On February 24 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:41 Plexa wrote:On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 03:03 motioncity wrote: i am extremely disappointed that this will not be live. that is part of the greatness of the GSL knowing that it is live and the x-factor that we can see live new strategies that have never been seen before. also the showmatch was great and all but it was very easy to tell that is was pre-recorded and if it had been any other two players in the world i probably would have not watched as the production value was not that great. i would much rather seen the loading screen with two players than know that im watching a replay. and i was planning on paying for the premium stream but knowing that it will not be live there is no way that i will pay to watch a stream of replays. kthxbye
edit: no high level quality of production will be worth the fact of it not being live. TSL Open's = not live TSL1-2 = Not live (not sure about 3 but, probably!) With stream cheating and us wanting to do production for the shows and cut the idle shit between matches you should know everything live SAVE FOR the actual broadcast = great Also santa doesn't exist. TSL was a live cast of replays as are the TL Opens Plexa people aren't upset that they aren't able to hear the words of the commentators in real time but rather that the games aren't being played in real time. The "live" argument is over when the games were played not when they were commentated. PS: I played in all the TSLs and all of the TL opens except 1  Thank you though!
Just wanted to say, you didnt play in any of the TSLs. TSL qualifier != TSL.
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On February 24 2011 19:34 m3rciless wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:41 Plexa wrote:On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 03:03 motioncity wrote: i am extremely disappointed that this will not be live. that is part of the greatness of the GSL knowing that it is live and the x-factor that we can see live new strategies that have never been seen before. also the showmatch was great and all but it was very easy to tell that is was pre-recorded and if it had been any other two players in the world i probably would have not watched as the production value was not that great. i would much rather seen the loading screen with two players than know that im watching a replay. and i was planning on paying for the premium stream but knowing that it will not be live there is no way that i will pay to watch a stream of replays. kthxbye
edit: no high level quality of production will be worth the fact of it not being live. TSL Open's = not live TSL1-2 = Not live (not sure about 3 but, probably!) With stream cheating and us wanting to do production for the shows and cut the idle shit between matches you should know everything live SAVE FOR the actual broadcast = great Also santa doesn't exist. TSL was a live cast of replays as are the TL Opens Plexa people aren't upset that they aren't able to hear the words of the commentators in real time but rather that the games aren't being played in real time. The "live" argument is over when the games were played not when they were commentated. PS: I played in all the TSLs and all of the TL opens except 1  Thank you though! Just wanted to say, you didnt play in any of the TSLs. TSL qualifier != TSL. Pretty sure Inc was just saying he participated in them so he knows how the broadcast worked, ie he knew it was casted from reps and not broadcast live. It wasn't a statement to show how good he is or how far he got in the tournament. It's a pretty innocent statement, so I dunno why you feel the need to jump on him for a technicality like that.
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On February 24 2011 19:33 integral wrote:This really isn't the thread to discuss incontrol. ... IMO this thread could use some significant cleaning up. It already has too much baggage to be salvaged as a good Q&A thread without removing a lot of the unnecessary/unconstructive criticism. My post included.  Discuss InControl by himself, no. Incontrol in connection to NASL, I do not see a better thread for that.
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On February 24 2011 18:11 ImHuko wrote: It is like someone PM'd you said OMG they talking shit to you Incontrol, you must respond! You need to read what people are saying, we aren't telling you to change away from your douchebaggery humor. If you did that, you'd be nobody, that is why you have success in SC2.
You advertise this league as a premiere league to help grow Western E-Sports. It will never grow with you being the face of it. Sure it won't hurt it as I accidentally came across saying earlier, but it won't grow e-sports in the west. This is basically another tournament for the most popular players. If you want this to grow, you (the face of NASL) need to become more professional. That is the role you stepped into and the whole Jerry Springer excuse of IM JUST BEING ME is not going to help E-Sports. If you marketed this as a invitational with the best players in NA/EU casted by Incontrol with a huge prize pool, I wouldn't be more pumped and supportive. This is advertised as a professional organization with Incontrol being the face of it though.... That couldn't be more contradictory.
You might think I am one of a kind, but this is a very common opinion. MANY people feel the same as me, but they are scared to disrespect on these forums in fear of a ban or whatever. We all want this to succeed, but I am sorry, you being the face of it is holding it back from what you guys want it to be.
Sorry my thoughts are all jumbled, all of this was stated earlier in my posts.
User was temp banned for this post.
This is someones opinion, why on earth has he been temp banned for it?
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On February 24 2011 19:43 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 19:34 m3rciless wrote:On February 24 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:41 Plexa wrote:On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 03:03 motioncity wrote: i am extremely disappointed that this will not be live. that is part of the greatness of the GSL knowing that it is live and the x-factor that we can see live new strategies that have never been seen before. also the showmatch was great and all but it was very easy to tell that is was pre-recorded and if it had been any other two players in the world i probably would have not watched as the production value was not that great. i would much rather seen the loading screen with two players than know that im watching a replay. and i was planning on paying for the premium stream but knowing that it will not be live there is no way that i will pay to watch a stream of replays. kthxbye
edit: no high level quality of production will be worth the fact of it not being live. TSL Open's = not live TSL1-2 = Not live (not sure about 3 but, probably!) With stream cheating and us wanting to do production for the shows and cut the idle shit between matches you should know everything live SAVE FOR the actual broadcast = great Also santa doesn't exist. TSL was a live cast of replays as are the TL Opens Plexa people aren't upset that they aren't able to hear the words of the commentators in real time but rather that the games aren't being played in real time. The "live" argument is over when the games were played not when they were commentated. PS: I played in all the TSLs and all of the TL opens except 1  Thank you though! Just wanted to say, you didnt play in any of the TSLs. TSL qualifier != TSL. Pretty sure Inc was just saying he participated in them so he knows how the broadcast worked, ie he knew it was casted from reps and not broadcast live. It wasn't a statement to show how good he is or how far he got in the tournament. It's a pretty innocent statement, so I dunno why you feel the need to jump on him for a technicality like that.
It was mainly his ultra-smug tone and defensiveness when Plexa made a very worthwhile statement in a non-confrontational way.
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On February 24 2011 19:50 relic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 18:11 ImHuko wrote: It is like someone PM'd you said OMG they talking shit to you Incontrol, you must respond! You need to read what people are saying, we aren't telling you to change away from your douchebaggery humor. If you did that, you'd be nobody, that is why you have success in SC2.
You advertise this league as a premiere league to help grow Western E-Sports. It will never grow with you being the face of it. Sure it won't hurt it as I accidentally came across saying earlier, but it won't grow e-sports in the west. This is basically another tournament for the most popular players. If you want this to grow, you (the face of NASL) need to become more professional. That is the role you stepped into and the whole Jerry Springer excuse of IM JUST BEING ME is not going to help E-Sports. If you marketed this as a invitational with the best players in NA/EU casted by Incontrol with a huge prize pool, I wouldn't be more pumped and supportive. This is advertised as a professional organization with Incontrol being the face of it though.... That couldn't be more contradictory.
You might think I am one of a kind, but this is a very common opinion. MANY people feel the same as me, but they are scared to disrespect on these forums in fear of a ban or whatever. We all want this to succeed, but I am sorry, you being the face of it is holding it back from what you guys want it to be.
Sorry my thoughts are all jumbled, all of this was stated earlier in my posts.
User was temp banned for this post. This is someones opinion, why on earth has he been temp banned for it?
ImHuko was just temp banned for 1 week by Manifesto7.
That account was created on 2010-12-01 21:33:10 and had 163 posts.
Reason: Derailing thread, hostile attitude towards site veteran.
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On February 24 2011 19:50 relic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 18:11 ImHuko wrote: It is like someone PM'd you said OMG they talking shit to you Incontrol, you must respond! You need to read what people are saying, we aren't telling you to change away from your douchebaggery humor. If you did that, you'd be nobody, that is why you have success in SC2.
You advertise this league as a premiere league to help grow Western E-Sports. It will never grow with you being the face of it. Sure it won't hurt it as I accidentally came across saying earlier, but it won't grow e-sports in the west. This is basically another tournament for the most popular players. If you want this to grow, you (the face of NASL) need to become more professional. That is the role you stepped into and the whole Jerry Springer excuse of IM JUST BEING ME is not going to help E-Sports. If you marketed this as a invitational with the best players in NA/EU casted by Incontrol with a huge prize pool, I wouldn't be more pumped and supportive. This is advertised as a professional organization with Incontrol being the face of it though.... That couldn't be more contradictory.
You might think I am one of a kind, but this is a very common opinion. MANY people feel the same as me, but they are scared to disrespect on these forums in fear of a ban or whatever. We all want this to succeed, but I am sorry, you being the face of it is holding it back from what you guys want it to be.
Sorry my thoughts are all jumbled, all of this was stated earlier in my posts.
User was temp banned for this post. This is someones opinion, why on earth has he been temp banned for it?
I am actually with this guy as well, not sure why he is so banned
is that voicing out certain player is not popular and may not be the best face to grow - esports against any rules??
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On February 24 2011 20:01 Phantom_Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 19:50 relic wrote:On February 24 2011 18:11 ImHuko wrote: It is like someone PM'd you said OMG they talking shit to you Incontrol, you must respond! You need to read what people are saying, we aren't telling you to change away from your douchebaggery humor. If you did that, you'd be nobody, that is why you have success in SC2.
You advertise this league as a premiere league to help grow Western E-Sports. It will never grow with you being the face of it. Sure it won't hurt it as I accidentally came across saying earlier, but it won't grow e-sports in the west. This is basically another tournament for the most popular players. If you want this to grow, you (the face of NASL) need to become more professional. That is the role you stepped into and the whole Jerry Springer excuse of IM JUST BEING ME is not going to help E-Sports. If you marketed this as a invitational with the best players in NA/EU casted by Incontrol with a huge prize pool, I wouldn't be more pumped and supportive. This is advertised as a professional organization with Incontrol being the face of it though.... That couldn't be more contradictory.
You might think I am one of a kind, but this is a very common opinion. MANY people feel the same as me, but they are scared to disrespect on these forums in fear of a ban or whatever. We all want this to succeed, but I am sorry, you being the face of it is holding it back from what you guys want it to be.
Sorry my thoughts are all jumbled, all of this was stated earlier in my posts.
User was temp banned for this post. This is someones opinion, why on earth has he been temp banned for it? I am actually with this guy as well, not sure why he is so banned is that voicing out certain player is not popular and may not be the best face to grow - esports against any rules??
Before this thread starts getting derailed by this: feel free to ask this/discuss this here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95875
The reason for the ban can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=557#11156
Probably best to not discuss it more in this thread, as it's not an appropriate place for it.
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Probably because "It will never grow with you being the face of it", which is 1. Stupid 2. Said like a fact when it is not 3. Insulting.
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Will you use the build order hider maps when playing, or create your own? That way you don't have any log of the game result and don't have to use dummy accounts with stupid names. I at least appreciate having the nicknames right when somebody mouse overs a unit.
See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153120
I would appreciate this over dummy accounts. Or maybe you have a better solution?
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In the case of a BO X it doesn't solve all problems though. Unless you create dummy games with proper length (minimum 4mins) after the last one to fill up the full BO.
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I thought Incontrol way going to be okay with being professional despite his reputation. This thread has given me doubts though. I guess we'll see when the time comes (and he has proven himself once so far) but I find it odd that the face of NASL has to be so controversial.
It's like picking Kelly for a caster. Uh yeah, she can be okay, but she has serious issues that bother a lot of people. Why even put up with that when you can have so many different more qualified/proven people?
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On February 24 2011 21:05 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 20:01 Phantom_Sky wrote:On February 24 2011 19:50 relic wrote:On February 24 2011 18:11 ImHuko wrote: It is like someone PM'd you said OMG they talking shit to you Incontrol, you must respond! You need to read what people are saying, we aren't telling you to change away from your douchebaggery humor. If you did that, you'd be nobody, that is why you have success in SC2.
You advertise this league as a premiere league to help grow Western E-Sports. It will never grow with you being the face of it. Sure it won't hurt it as I accidentally came across saying earlier, but it won't grow e-sports in the west. This is basically another tournament for the most popular players. If you want this to grow, you (the face of NASL) need to become more professional. That is the role you stepped into and the whole Jerry Springer excuse of IM JUST BEING ME is not going to help E-Sports. If you marketed this as a invitational with the best players in NA/EU casted by Incontrol with a huge prize pool, I wouldn't be more pumped and supportive. This is advertised as a professional organization with Incontrol being the face of it though.... That couldn't be more contradictory.
You might think I am one of a kind, but this is a very common opinion. MANY people feel the same as me, but they are scared to disrespect on these forums in fear of a ban or whatever. We all want this to succeed, but I am sorry, you being the face of it is holding it back from what you guys want it to be.
Sorry my thoughts are all jumbled, all of this was stated earlier in my posts.
User was temp banned for this post. This is someones opinion, why on earth has he been temp banned for it? I am actually with this guy as well, not sure why he is so banned is that voicing out certain player is not popular and may not be the best face to grow - esports against any rules?? Not sure in what way any of that is a "hostile attitude" but w/e. I also do agree with hukos opinion.
So someone gets banned for thread derailment, and you decide to continue to derail the thread? I think it would be better for everyone if we try to stay on topic, don't you?
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I don't really understand the argument for why you have to be on a team for this tournament. On the last SotG, it was waved away with a "You don't see individual players win the NBA in basket ball, do you?", like that has anything to do with this.
Starcraft and Basketball is a silly and poor comparison - if you want to compare it tourney-wise with something, compare it with chess. This is a 1v1-game, just like chess, and the similarities between the two(not in terms of how the games are played out, but how the games are organized in tournaments) are obvious.
This post might seem like whining: You are an independent tournament and you make your own rules, right? The problem, though, is that you are so big - you are, because of the prize money, going to become the single tournament that all the top players are going to form their SC2-career around.
That's why I'm a little concerned that you're telling the community how it's going to be when it comes to teams; If I'm a top chess player, or if I'm a top Starcraft-player, I want to be able to choose whether I want to join a team for sponsors OR hook up with said sponsors myself. The obvious example is White-Ra and his sponsor Duckload.
My question, finally is this: Are you against all professional gaming outside of a team and in that case; why?
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Hey. I've followed TL with great passion since the release of SC2, but this thread made me register for an account. First of all, huge props for this, I think it's a great project!
Xeris has stated in the OP that he would like to know if we want to see the games "live live", and as a European who follows every single game of the GSL and have paid for the premium package for all seasons except nr. 1, I would like to say Hell Yeah, that would be the factor that would make me pay for the premium package instead of just watching it for free. I would definately appreciate if all the games were shown live, even it means that I have to stay up till early morning, it just adds an inexpressible excitement. Obviously I will not be able to do that every single night, but it doesen't really matter, because if I want to watch the games "non-live" I just watch VODs, and I'm totally okay with that.
Just wanted to express my opinion 
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