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On February 24 2011 23:15 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:04 karpo wrote:On February 24 2011 22:47 TLOBrian wrote:
Take a chill pill. Relax.
When did TL become so crazy serious. =/
Incontrol is awesome at what he does - which for the most part is having been a face for esports in the west. Just think about the shit you're saying about the dude, after all he's gone and done for sc2, for the love of Starcraft.
I think it's easy for people to forget the good things. And ps an opinion is an opinion, and some of us agree with incontrol, but yes this is the Internet. Don't go expecting fluffy pillows to be thrown around when you start calling out on one of the people who's done as much as he has for this game.
There. Finally got that off my chest! =)
I'm kinda new to this place but i've already noticed the special treatment "famous" guys get. If you act like a jerk you should be called on it regardless of community standing, just as regular joes do all the time with bans/warnings. Get used to it. While you're add it read these: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 + Show Spoiler +6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS
All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it.
Remember: we ban little kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 1000 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect.
In practice, this policy means a user who has thousands of posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it.
This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on. I quite like it this way. As for the incontrol issue itself you guys need to back way off. This isn't a lynching party and you should be way more respectful of the things hes done and is doing for the community. Yes, he has a different personality than the boring old business man, but you know what? A lot of people like it. I'd also like to suggest a reading by DJWheat regarding professionalism: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=168066
Seriously dude? seriously? Incontrol does what he does because it benefits him in one way or another. Not because of his 'love' for the community'. Please stop being so naive about this and open up your eyes to reality bro.
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On February 24 2011 23:11 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 22:58 TLOBrian wrote:On February 24 2011 22:54 Dommk wrote:Actually a FACE of NASL was caught watching an illegal restream of GSL and streaming it on his own stream while his commercials were also running. THAT is big. Dude, it isn't even that big at all, he was on skype with Idra and JP talking about the games, you could barely make out the commentary and video from his stream of another stream since he had the volume lowered and would never full screen the video, and he also publicly apologized on STOG for re-streaming. He also runs commercials after every game, think that was more out of habit. How is it not that big a deal!? I'm so confused by your logic that this isn't a big deal just because it was in shitty quality. Does this mean that I can stream myself stealing from a store in low quality and then have it not a big deal when someone complains about it? What are you ON dude? It is not that big of a deal because at the time he didn't actually know it was wrong to restream GSL, he then apologized on STOG. That and all you got was just a restream of another stream that was constantly being flipped back and forth between websites, if you actually wanted to watch the games you probably wouldn't have even been able to get much out of it. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong, but it certainly isn't a big deal, no one watching his stream was watching it because he was restreaming GSL, they were watching his stream for the commentary between InControl, Jp and IdrA.
I don't think huko's intention was to show that incontrol was hypocritical because he himself accidentally restreamed...but the fact that he had asked(or whoever was using incontroltv username) for a restream, then he proceeded to ban huko with the explanation that he was restreaming(and being a prick - imo not the issue here). Basically I feel incontrol needs to make a PR statement for the sake of NASL.
Sorry If my grammar or english is terrible, I am just disappointed by this.
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4. He asked for a restream, casted over it, AND made money off of it through commercials. I think this blatantly says "Fuck you!" to the esports community, to GOMtv, and to Tasteless and Artosis as well. They get paid from these streams and VODs, if they don't get watched, GSL goes down the shit hole. And they lose their casting jobs..
If you actually watched his re-stream you would actually realize that it was a waste of time if you wanted to actually watch the damn games, and he wasn't casting it, he was in a skpye convo with Idra, Jp and himself talking about the games that were going on, you couldn't hear any of the commentary from Kelly/Tasteless nor could you even make out the games that clearly at all.
There were 3000 odd people by the end of the night and I doubt that a single one of them was actually watching his channel for a restream, they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
Pretty darn sure the vast majority of people watching his stream that night thought he was doing a service to the community by getting Idra and JP both on to talk about the games than any disservice
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On February 24 2011 22:59 mytent wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 22:47 TLOBrian wrote:
Does anyone else now think that Incontrol is not the best decision for such a huge endeavor for the west?
Apparently hes too famous to pay and support GSL. Take a chill pill. Relax. When did TL become so crazy serious. =/ Incontrol is awesome at what he does - which for the most part is having been a face for esports in the west. Just think about the shit you're saying about the dude, after all he's gone and done for sc2, for the love of Starcraft. I think it's easy for people to forget the good things. And ps an opinion is an opinion, and some of us agree with incontrol, but yes this is the Internet. Don't go expecting fluffy pillows to be thrown around when you start calling out on one of the people who's done as much as he has for this game. There. Finally got that off my chest! =)
These kids come up being like Inc is a face for esports in the west. Rewind a few years ago and Inc was just a solid US Z. Ive only been in the scene since late 2005 but i have really only known incontrol as an unremarkable player and reality show contestant until just recently in sc2. Also this business with restreaming gsl and commercials is ridiculous. Makes you think he cares about the money a little more than your average sc2 fan /gasp.
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On February 24 2011 23:20 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +4. He asked for a restream, casted over it, AND made money off of it through commercials. I think this blatantly says "Fuck you!" to the esports community, to GOMtv, and to Tasteless and Artosis as well. They get paid from these streams and VODs, if they don't get watched, GSL goes down the shit hole. And they lose their casting jobs.. If you actually watched his re-stream you would actually realize that it was a waste of time if you wanted to actually watch the damn games, and he wasn't casting it, he was in a skpye convo with Idra, Jp and himself talking about the games that were going on, you couldn't hear any of the commentary from Kelly/Tasteless nor could you even make out the games that clearly at all. There were 3000 odd people by the end of the night and I doubt that a single one of them was actually watching his channel for a restream, they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it.
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-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it.
Casting would be play by play, explanation of what was happening. There was nothing of the sort, usually it was just then throwing around what they thought, it was very informal, if you weren't also watching the games on another stream for yourself then you would not be able to make sense of anything that was going on. It was exactly what you would expect, three friends talking on skype about the game and having a good time (pretty hilarious I might add, birth of that cat gif, and the photo shopping that was going on)but allowing everyone else to listen in as well
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I know that this must have been mentioned in this thread but I am not able to find the answer and its a make or break matter for me: are there going to be vods (ala gsl) of the matches?
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On February 24 2011 23:29 brokic wrote:
I know that this must have been mentioned in this thread but I am not able to find the answer and its a make or break matter for me: are there going to be vods (ala gsl) of the matches?
no one is answering if they will be free or just $
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On February 24 2011 23:25 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it. Casting would be play by play, explanation of what was happening. There was nothing of the sort, usually it was just then throwing around what they thought, it was very informal, if you weren't also watching the games on another stream for yourself then you would not be able to make sense of anything that was going on. It was exactly what you would expect, three friends talking on skype about the game and having a good time (pretty hilarious I might add, birth of that cat gif, and the photo shopping that was going on)but allowing everyone else to listen in as well
You two should stop arguing with each other about what happened(that one time), and try and focus on how this affects the NASL because of how this represents his character. This topic I feel is very important because he himself said he is trying to be the face of the NASL. I feel only a response from incontrol himself will stop this.
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On February 24 2011 23:29 brokic wrote:
I know that this must have been mentioned in this thread but I am not able to find the answer and its a make or break matter for me: are there going to be vods (ala gsl) of the matches?
no one is answering if they will be free or just $
From the website:
What is included in the PAID stream?
You get access to the VODS, an HD stream, and full access to all NASL replays. There will also be premium packages that will grant entry into a raffle to win an all expenses paid trip to the Grand Final along with autographed memorabilia from your favorite NASL player.
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On February 24 2011 23:29 brokic wrote:
I know that this must have been mentioned in this thread but I am not able to find the answer and its a make or break matter for me: are there going to be vods (ala gsl) of the matches?
I'm pretty sure you only get them as a prenium member ($20 or whatever).
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On February 24 2011 23:31 paksam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:25 Dommk wrote:-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it. Casting would be play by play, explanation of what was happening. There was nothing of the sort, usually it was just then throwing around what they thought, it was very informal, if you weren't also watching the games on another stream for yourself then you would not be able to make sense of anything that was going on. It was exactly what you would expect, three friends talking on skype about the game and having a good time (pretty hilarious I might add, birth of that cat gif, and the photo shopping that was going on)but allowing everyone else to listen in as well You two should stop arguing with each other about what happened(that one time), and try and focus on how this affects the NASL because of how this represents his character. This topic I feel is very important because he himself said he is trying to be the face of the NASL. I feel only a response from incontrol himself will stop this.
My concern wasn't the affects on NASL -- he did something wrong obviously and that is something he should apologize for -- but rather people blowing this out of proportion and making it seem like he did something much worse than he actually did.
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On February 24 2011 23:31 noD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:29 brokic wrote:
I know that this must have been mentioned in this thread but I am not able to find the answer and its a make or break matter for me: are there going to be vods (ala gsl) of the matches? no one is answering if they will be free or just $
ok nvm
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Hey did you gaiz here that incontrol is one of the main people that is starting up this new league in North America that's bigger than the one in Korea? Isn't that great!
How do you guys plan to continue after the 400,000 goes away? Do you just hope to have sponsors at that point?
Oh and as a lame college student with nothing to do over the summer if there any particular field you guys need help with?
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Being active on several communities is a pain, i can hardly muster up enough energy for a intelligent reply once so twice is just out of the question. Copy-paste is pretty cool tho...
InControl has been taking a lot of flak lately, I think much of it is due to him being put forward as the frontman for NASL, before he was "just" a player voicing his own opinions. He was a member of EG but was never seen as EG's face outward or thier official spokesman, at least i never saw him as that.
Now he is just up for so much scrutiny and every decision he makes, every statement he makes and whatever he does will reflect heavily on NASL. Before his "haters" were just quite content shrugging it off as a player doing his thing but now that he represents something much bigger they just bite at everything. If Nazgul had done the whole restreaming thing he would have taken some hate aswell.
And InC might have burned some bridges in the past, just considering how outspoken he has been towards some casters/players/things in the past. TB is a good example, he has taken a lot of shit from InC but any way you look at it TB is one of the premiere casters out there and now InC is frontman for a tournament that would probably profit from having TB guest-cast sometime. But is that bridge already burned?
Just an example, before him launching heavy critique on TB did not really matter, now suddenly it makes me go "huh, it is pretty unproffesional of a frontman for a major tournament to behave that way towards others in the buisness and potential future partners".
But i dunno, i am not hating on InC here, he is a really funny guy and could be great as a "host" or something like that for NASL. And until some of the big names out there speak out against him (casters, players, team managers etc) all this is speculation on my part and i will gladly give him a chance to "prove" himself at hosting the NASL. Maybe he sorts out every feather he ruffles behind the scenes and the majority of the big names love him, i dunno.
Just pointing out why i think there has been so much hate recently.
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I am no forum veteran, I'm no sociologist, mediator, or anything of the such, I am not a incontrol fanboy nor do i consider myself a contributing member of the community.
However, this shit is getting a little out of hand. It honestly sounds like some people (more so on reddit) are looking to get somebody crucified.
Lets look at incontrol's other projects;
State of the Game: arguably 2 hours of incontrol making fun of people and day[9] laughing in the backround.
His stream: incontrol making fun of people for 4+ hours..
His forum posts: again, Incontrol, being himself.
Reddit and TL alike are blowing this thing way out of proportion, normally I would always stay out of these things since contributing to a discussion like this only makes matters worse. But honestly, take this for what it is, incontrol being incontrol. Let it go, let him continue hyping the NASL because he does a fine job at that. As far as the whole GSL re-streaming thing goes... let the party's affected handle that.
I saw something like this a couple months ago with Psyonic Reaver. He got fired from what i would consider a dream job at Riot Games (see: league of legends), because the "Community" got a hold of a screenshot that caught him raging at another player and using truly offensive language and then banning the player. This thing blew up into a 200 page thread on the official LoL forums, and 2 days later, our dear friend Psyonic was moving back home from LA without a job. Something that would have never happened if that thread didn't blow up like it did.
Once again we are only hearing 1 side of the story, like we did with Psyonic's troubles. Let everybody who's involved tell their side.
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On February 24 2011 23:39 DND_Enkil wrote:
Being active on several communities is a pain, i can hardly muster up enough energy for a intelligent reply once so twice is just out of the question. Copy-paste is pretty cool tho...
InControl has been taking a lot of flak lately, I think much of it is due to him being put forward as the frontman for NASL, before he was "just" a player voicing his own opinions. He was a member of EG but was never seen as EG's face outward or thier official spokesman, at least i never saw him as that.
Now he is just up for so much scrutiny and every decision he makes, every statement he makes and whatever he does will reflect heavily on NASL. Before his "haters" were just quite content shrugging it off as a player doing his thing but now that he represents something much bigger they just bite at everything. If Nazgul had done the whole restreaming thing he would have taken some hate aswell.
And InC might have burned some bridges in the past, just considering how outspoken he has been towards some casters/players/things in the past. TB is a good example, he has taken a lot of shit from InC but any way you look at it TB is one of the premiere casters out there and now InC is frontman for a tournament that would probably profit from having TB guest-cast sometime. But is that bridge already burned?
Just an example, before him launching heavy critique on TB did not really matter, now suddenly it makes me go "huh, it is pretty unproffesional of a frontman for a major tournament to behave that way towards others in the buisness and potential future partners".
But i dunno, i am not hating on InC here, he is a really funny guy and could be great as a "host" or something like that for NASL. And until some of the big names out there speak out against him (casters, players, team managers etc) all this is speculation on my part and i will gladly give him a chance to "prove" himself at hosting the NASL. Maybe he sorts out every feather he ruffles behind the scenes and the majority of the big names love him, i dunno.
Just pointing out why i think there has been so much hate recently.
Nail on the head. Before when inc did ridiculous stuff, people were like oh lol. No one would have cared that he was stealing from GOM but now hes providing a service exactly like GOM's. The hypocrisy is mind-blowing. Now that incontrol is someone of some consequence in the community, people are actually holding him to reasonable standards.
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On February 24 2011 23:42 EnrageD wrote:
I am no forum veteran, I'm no sociologist, mediator, or anything of the such, I am not a incontrol fanboy nor do i consider myself a contributing member of the community.
However, this shit is getting a little out of hand. It honestly sounds like some people (more so on reddit) are looking to get somebody crucified.
Lets look at incontrol's other projects;
State of the Game: arguably 2 hours of incontrol making fun of people and day[9] laughing in the backround.
His stream: incontrol making fun of people for 4+ hours..
His forum posts: again, Incontrol, being himself.
Reddit and TL alike are blowing this thing way out of proportion, normally I would always stay out of these things since contributing to a discussion like this only makes matters worse. But honestly, take this for what it is, incontrol being incontrol. Let it go, let him continue hyping the NASL because he does a fine job at that. As far as the whole GSL re-streaming thing goes... let the party's affected handle that.
I saw something like this a couple months ago with Psyonic Reaver. He got fired from what i would consider a dream job at Riot Games (see: league of legends), because the "Community" got a hold of a screenshot that caught him raging at another player and using truly offensive language and then banning the player. This thing blew up into a 200 page thread on the official LoL forums, and 2 days later, our dear friend Psyonic was moving back home from LA without a job. Something that would have never happened if that thread didn't blow up like it did.
Once again we are only hearing 1 side of the story, like we did with Psyonic's troubles. Let everybody who's involved tell their side.
So what your saying is that when your involved in a community you shouldn't be subject to scrutiny and consequences of your own actions from the community? Lets just do what whatever we want and not be held accountable! /end sarcasm.
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People talking about incontrol not caring about esport need to get a fucking clue. The guy ran the USA national team single-handedly for about 5 years, has continously been doing casting/TL moderating/organizing events and all that stuff for a long time without any personal gain. At last he decided he love esports so much he wanted to build a career around it, so seeing him succeed always makes me very happy.
Incontrol can be a loud and ruthless troll and all that (I find him hilarious but I understand that not everyone does), but the one thing you never need to doubt about incontrol is that he is ALL about the growth and survival of esports.
On February 24 2011 23:20 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:15 xBillehx wrote:On February 24 2011 23:04 karpo wrote:On February 24 2011 22:47 TLOBrian wrote:
Take a chill pill. Relax.
When did TL become so crazy serious. =/
Incontrol is awesome at what he does - which for the most part is having been a face for esports in the west. Just think about the shit you're saying about the dude, after all he's gone and done for sc2, for the love of Starcraft.
I think it's easy for people to forget the good things. And ps an opinion is an opinion, and some of us agree with incontrol, but yes this is the Internet. Don't go expecting fluffy pillows to be thrown around when you start calling out on one of the people who's done as much as he has for this game.
There. Finally got that off my chest! =)
I'm kinda new to this place but i've already noticed the special treatment "famous" guys get. If you act like a jerk you should be called on it regardless of community standing, just as regular joes do all the time with bans/warnings. Get used to it. While you're add it read these: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 + Show Spoiler +6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS
All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it.
Remember: we ban little kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 1000 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect.
In practice, this policy means a user who has thousands of posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it.
This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on. I quite like it this way. As for the incontrol issue itself you guys need to back way off. This isn't a lynching party and you should be way more respectful of the things hes done and is doing for the community. Yes, he has a different personality than the boring old business man, but you know what? A lot of people like it. I'd also like to suggest a reading by DJWheat regarding professionalism: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=168066 Seriously dude? seriously? Incontrol does what he does because it benefits him in one way or another. Not because of his 'love' for the community'. Please stop being so naive about this and open up your eyes to reality bro.
Incontrol is not some fucking husky character. He was doing stuff for this very same community by the time I was like 14 years old (22 now). You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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On February 24 2011 23:34 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:31 paksam wrote:On February 24 2011 23:25 Dommk wrote:-he wasn't casting it
-they were all there to hear what Pro players like Idra/InControl was well as people like JP wanted to say about the games.
fine line isn't it. Casting would be play by play, explanation of what was happening. There was nothing of the sort, usually it was just then throwing around what they thought, it was very informal, if you weren't also watching the games on another stream for yourself then you would not be able to make sense of anything that was going on. It was exactly what you would expect, three friends talking on skype about the game and having a good time (pretty hilarious I might add, birth of that cat gif, and the photo shopping that was going on)but allowing everyone else to listen in as well You two should stop arguing with each other about what happened(that one time), and try and focus on how this affects the NASL because of how this represents his character. This topic I feel is very important because he himself said he is trying to be the face of the NASL. I feel only a response from incontrol himself will stop this. My concern wasn't the affects on NASL -- he did something wrong obviously and that is something he should apologize for -- but rather people blowing this out of proportion and making it seem like he did something much worse than he actually did.
Very true I agree with you. I think we should all give a chance for incontrol to explain.
Because of this short post I will ask a question about the NASL aswell.
They mentioned a 16-man offline tournament. How does that work if sc2 is played over battle.net and subsequently the internet?
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On February 24 2011 23:51 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 23:42 EnrageD wrote:
I am no forum veteran, I'm no sociologist, mediator, or anything of the such, I am not a incontrol fanboy nor do i consider myself a contributing member of the community.
However, this shit is getting a little out of hand. It honestly sounds like some people (more so on reddit) are looking to get somebody crucified.
Lets look at incontrol's other projects;
State of the Game: arguably 2 hours of incontrol making fun of people and day[9] laughing in the backround.
His stream: incontrol making fun of people for 4+ hours..
His forum posts: again, Incontrol, being himself.
Reddit and TL alike are blowing this thing way out of proportion, normally I would always stay out of these things since contributing to a discussion like this only makes matters worse. But honestly, take this for what it is, incontrol being incontrol. Let it go, let him continue hyping the NASL because he does a fine job at that. As far as the whole GSL re-streaming thing goes... let the party's affected handle that.
I saw something like this a couple months ago with Psyonic Reaver. He got fired from what i would consider a dream job at Riot Games (see: league of legends), because the "Community" got a hold of a screenshot that caught him raging at another player and using truly offensive language and then banning the player. This thing blew up into a 200 page thread on the official LoL forums, and 2 days later, our dear friend Psyonic was moving back home from LA without a job. Something that would have never happened if that thread didn't blow up like it did.
Once again we are only hearing 1 side of the story, like we did with Psyonic's troubles. Let everybody who's involved tell their side. So what your saying is that when your involved in a community you shouldn't be subject to scrutiny and consequences of your own actions from the community? Lets just do what whatever we want and not be held accountable! /end sarcasm.
I think it was pretty clear that he meant that people who are concerned with the situation are the ones who have the right to hold im accountable. Not the community who knows nothing about what goes on in the back ground.
I hope this helps ! /sarcasm
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