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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
February 23 2011 05:11 GMT
#281
On February 23 2011 14:09 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 14:08 Vendor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2011 13:56 StUfF wrote:
The 5-team rule doesn't apply to many teams isn't a good excuse.
You need to argue why the rule makes sense.

You want the 50 best players, and this "rule" stops that.

Colluding imo is not a good enough reason, I don't see how being "teammates" increases chances of colluding. You might as well say, any 5 "friends" or any 5 players who know each other on more than a professional basis can't play.

I don't really see many issues with teamkills in a league format.


This and having to belong to a team (White-Ra). Seems to kill the part about having the best players in the world.


Duckload counts as a team as per our definition of what a team is.


Thats a good question. What is your definition of a team?
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
February 23 2011 05:12 GMT
#282
On February 23 2011 14:10 Darpa wrote:
So, do you actually have to fly to LA for each one of your matches? I.e. The league is hoping that all good players will be re-locating to Los Angeles?

That works in Korea because teams are salaried and sponsered. Where as here the vast majority of good players wont have the resources to relocate their entire life. So I'm just curious as to how you are going to get around that?


Read the OP, interview, etc.... regular matches are done online, not in person.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 23 2011 05:12 GMT
#283
On February 23 2011 14:11 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 14:09 Xeris wrote:
On February 23 2011 14:08 Vendor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2011 13:56 StUfF wrote:
The 5-team rule doesn't apply to many teams isn't a good excuse.
You need to argue why the rule makes sense.

You want the 50 best players, and this "rule" stops that.

Colluding imo is not a good enough reason, I don't see how being "teammates" increases chances of colluding. You might as well say, any 5 "friends" or any 5 players who know each other on more than a professional basis can't play.

I don't really see many issues with teamkills in a league format.


This and having to belong to a team (White-Ra). Seems to kill the part about having the best players in the world.


Duckload counts as a team as per our definition of what a team is.


Thats a good question. What is your definition of a team?


I've defined that in the thread.
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 23 2011 05:14 GMT
#284
I will be sad if no Koreans. SC2 will be stronger if the communities do not segregate themselves like this. =(
Crahptacular
Profile Joined December 2008
United States295 Posts
February 23 2011 05:14 GMT
#285
Since this is largely online, with the players not physically present in a studio, are there any plans for video of the players during the games a la Korean broadcasts? Pre-game, during game, post-game, player reactions can be really entertaining, and helps create characters out of players, which you've shown interest in. It seems logistically difficult, but seeing as how you're requiring video submissions from each player, it might not be impossible.

On SotG they just mentioned that if Tyler (or anyone) wanted to record ceremonies they could add it in post-production, so that seems to imply no live video of players during games.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 23 2011 05:14 GMT
#286
To define once more, I won't repeat:

"A team is a recognized entity that has players playing under a single banner, has a website, has the ability to support their player(s) to attend an offline final in Los Angeles should the player advance that far. As for your second question, that's up for teams to determine. "

White-Ra also has his own team "White-Ra's Team" and a website, white-ra.com . He's fine, don't worry !



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Spectorials
Profile Joined October 2010
558 Posts
February 23 2011 05:17 GMT
#287
I can't find any information on this so far. If it's there apologies:

What's the deal with the map pool? Standard Blizzard maps? GSL maps? Customs allowed? Customs developed for the league?

Some of the new maps in the GSL have made for a lot better games.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 23 2011 05:17 GMT
#288
On February 23 2011 14:14 Crahptacular wrote:
Since this is largely online, with the players not physically present in a studio, are there any plans for video of the players during the games a la Korean broadcasts? Pre-game, during game, post-game, player reactions can be really entertaining, and helps create characters out of players, which you've shown interest in. It seems logistically difficult, but seeing as how you're requiring video submissions from each player, it might not be impossible.

On SotG they just mentioned that if Tyler (or anyone) wanted to record ceremonies they could add it in post-production, so that seems to imply no live video of players during games.


We're going to try as much as possible to get nice video footage from our players!
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Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:19:28
February 23 2011 05:18 GMT
#289
NASL is a great idea. However , how can it have a 'WORLD CHAMPION" when most of the world's best players are already playing the in best league in the world, the GSL.

I really think you need to call it NASL champion, as World Champion is plain untrue and misleading. If in the future, NASL is able to fly-in the all the world's best players from Korea then you could possibly start saying you have a world champion. As it is, it makes the NASL look like something it actually isnt , which takes away from it's actual shine imho.
*burp*
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
February 23 2011 05:21 GMT
#290
On February 23 2011 14:18 Parcelleus wrote:
NASL is a great idea. However , how can it have a 'WORLD CHAMPION" when most of the world's best players are already playing the in best league in the world, the GSL.

I really think you need to call it NASL champion, as World Champion is plain untrue and misleading. If in the future, NASL is able to fly-in the all the world's best players from Korea then you could possibly start saying you have a world champion. As it is, it makes the NASL look like something it actually isnt , which takes away from it's actual shine imho.



in all american sports, we call the winners world champions.

superbowl winnders, world series, nba finals, pga, etc...

monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:27:35
February 23 2011 05:21 GMT
#291
edit.
@ggmonx
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
February 23 2011 05:22 GMT
#292
On February 23 2011 14:08 monx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 13:44 Zooper31 wrote:
On February 23 2011 13:28 monx wrote:
He just explained it well on SoTG. The games are CASTED LIVE but the stream will be next day after production. I think it's better that way and Incontrol's arguments were pretty good. We don,t want shitty dialogues since player A is late or whatever reason.


Really? Everything is casted live. Music videos are recorded live and movies are filmed live. This is not a livestream and in no way be called that. It's a pre-recoded gigantic VOD that we will be watching every day. Then that giant VOD will be cut up into smaller VODs so we can watch individual matches without FF through to find the ones we want.

I personally think this is a giant turn off and am dissapointed by this groundbreaking announcement. Also by the fact that they are essentially not allowing Koreans to play or teams to field all their players. Take EG for instance. They have more than 5 people who could do very well in this tournament. What happens to the guys who don't get picked? What is the point of them even staying on their team since it's only hurting them. EG will probably just make a 2nd team thats totally unrelated with the first one called Team B, because thats essentially what they are, so all players have an equal chance at getting their chance.

I could care less if this is purely NA or western or EU or w/e. I just want the best tournament we can possibly get. Not allowing players to play for w/e reason is a step back and is only hurting the viewers that are trying to watch the best content.


Imo, post-production will be a lot better than a live show. GSL can be live since players are in a studio and it's way easier to handle technical problems whereas players competing in a NASL season will be playing at their place. Also, the show will be way more interesting that way than a live show. Don't forget that this will be happening each day of the week so i don't know why you're complaining.

I am pretty sure the finals will be live casted and live streamed too. Well, hopefully.

Anyway, you should listen to SoTG...they laid out pretty much all the arguments.



If it's anything like the Showmatch between Idra and Jinro then idk, that had bad production imo. They just need to call it what it is and not try to word their way around it. It's all just a VOD and nothing is live. They should follow GSL because thats the best production I've ever seen for a tournament.

I did listen to Tyler and his questions on SoTG. He had the same opinions as me and I felt all their asnwers were just totally saying "oh well". He's not on a team? oh well he doesn't play. You're the best player from the world and from korea? oh well he doesn't play. On a giant team and not part of the 5 picked to play? oh well he doesn't play. I see no benefit from this what so ever other than how it helps the organizers and not the audience.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
sighco17
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia47 Posts
February 23 2011 05:23 GMT
#293
Well Xeris sorry to sound critical but the brains of the whole NASL just said on stream that white-ra would need to get a sponsor and be on a team. This seems really conflicting and confusing.
People should know when they are conquered
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
February 23 2011 05:23 GMT
#294
On February 23 2011 14:09 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 14:08 Vendor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2011 13:56 StUfF wrote:
The 5-team rule doesn't apply to many teams isn't a good excuse.
You need to argue why the rule makes sense.

You want the 50 best players, and this "rule" stops that.

Colluding imo is not a good enough reason, I don't see how being "teammates" increases chances of colluding. You might as well say, any 5 "friends" or any 5 players who know each other on more than a professional basis can't play.

I don't really see many issues with teamkills in a league format.


This and having to belong to a team (White-Ra). Seems to kill the part about having the best players in the world.


Duckload counts as a team as per our definition of what a team is.


Geoff said otherwise on SotG. Confusion
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
February 23 2011 05:23 GMT
#295
On February 23 2011 14:18 Parcelleus wrote:
NASL is a great idea. However , how can it have a 'WORLD CHAMPION" when most of the world's best players are already playing the in best league in the world, the GSL.

I really think you need to call it NASL champion, as World Champion is plain untrue and misleading. If in the future, NASL is able to fly-in the all the world's best players from Korea then you could possibly start saying you have a world champion. As it is, it makes the NASL look like something it actually isnt , which takes away from it's actual shine imho.


It's an American thing mate, world champion is a term they love and use often! World Series Baseball and being World Champion is actually American champion but yeah you get the picture

Really excited about NASL, I think it's really ambitious and will help SC2 and e-Sports in the West tremendously! Or for people who know any coding languages I could've just said...

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StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
February 23 2011 05:25 GMT
#296
On February 23 2011 14:14 Xeris wrote:
To define once more, I won't repeat:

"A team is a recognized entity that has players playing under a single banner, has a website, has the ability to support their player(s) to attend an offline final in Los Angeles should the player advance that far. As for your second question, that's up for teams to determine. "

White-Ra also has his own team "White-Ra's Team" and a website, white-ra.com . He's fine, don't worry !





There aren't 50 American players that fall under those restrictions.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 23 2011 05:25 GMT
#297
Who said that this is only American players? Wtf
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Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:30:09
February 23 2011 05:25 GMT
#298
On February 23 2011 14:21 danson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 14:18 Parcelleus wrote:
NASL is a great idea. However , how can it have a 'WORLD CHAMPION" when most of the world's best players are already playing the in best league in the world, the GSL.

I really think you need to call it NASL champion, as World Champion is plain untrue and misleading. If in the future, NASL is able to fly-in the all the world's best players from Korea then you could possibly start saying you have a world champion. As it is, it makes the NASL look like something it actually isnt , which takes away from it's actual shine imho.



in all american sports, we call the winners world champions.

superbowl winnders, world series, nba finals, pga, etc...



It makes it look like you got your head in the sand, I dunno if that is an outcome you want. Also , those sports you mentioned have strongest league's in the world and are in U.s.a. Not so for Starcraft 2, it looks silly imho when we all know the GSL is the #1 league in the world.
*burp*
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:26:29
February 23 2011 05:25 GMT
#299
On February 23 2011 14:23 sighco17 wrote:
Well Xeris sorry to sound critical but the brains of the whole NASL just said on stream that white-ra would need to get a sponsor and be on a team. This seems really conflicting and confusing.


^

So many conflicting opinions from people in the same org....... I'm however (per Geoff's suggestion) say Russel is right and White Ra does not qualify, which is horrible because White Ra is one of the top Protoss' out there....
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 05:29:16
February 23 2011 05:28 GMT
#300
On February 23 2011 14:14 Xeris wrote:
To define once more, I won't repeat:

"A team is a recognized entity that has players playing under a single banner, has a website, has the ability to support their player(s) to attend an offline final in Los Angeles should the player advance that far. As for your second question, that's up for teams to determine. "

White-Ra also has his own team "White-Ra's Team" and a website, white-ra.com . He's fine, don't worry !





So you're saying if I make up a team name like "Zooper31's Team" and make up some website dedicated to everything about me, and then if I'm rich enough to pay my own expenses and the $250 fee I can become my own team? I can now imagine everybody whos past the 5 member mark on ROOT, EG, and Liquid popping up with their own "teams" and by passing this silly rule all together.
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