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wenziyi
Australia21 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 26 2011 14:16 wenziyi wrote: i just logged in bnet and saw my friend playing ladder and he's managed 400 wins in less than 12 hrs. i checked his match history and all his games are vs the same person and they just quit after the game starts. there has to be some problem with this. how can bnet let two people repeatedly find each other on ladder like this? sorry if this doesn't belong in this thread Report him please, we can't do anything about it. | ||
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wenziyi
Australia21 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
Exemple: In NA region, master leagues divisions are now capped at 36 players it seems: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1242988/1/Azz/ladder/53774#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/339363/1/Esco/ladder/53771#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/339363/1/Esco/ladder/53771#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1439204/1/PsyPhi/ladder/53775#current-rank This bug doesn't interfere with promotions nor do anything besides what I said above, so if you are promoted/demoted to a division with very few players and was wondering what was going on, that's it! The spoiler bellow is the old post, no need to read it: + Show Spoiler + It seems a new hotfix went live friday (24) (maybe thurday or at most at tuesday, jun 21th), but I am not sure what it did. But it seems it affects promotions, maybe they are once again trying for the LA region to have a 20/20/20/20/18/2 distribution between leagues? Or maybe they fixed the S rank bug? (people were still being promoted to S rank, they had only changed the offset of the diamond S rank so no one would notice, but they still were "S" in their "core"  Anyway, if I confirm anything I'll let people know here. I'll put here this data so I can easily get some conclusion in some days: LA region players distribuition as of today (Jun/26th) for overall: + Show Spoiler + M: 2.1% (403) D: 6.9% (1,318) P: 10.0% (1,920) G: 13.0% (2,494) S: 19.5% (3,749) B: 47.3% (9,102) Active in the last 7 days: M: 2.4% (168) D: 7.5% (526) P: 11.2% (779) G: 14.2% (989) S: 20.4% (1,422) B: 42.3% (2,951) Edit: Ok, it seems like a new bug instead a new "feature". Do you remember the GM bug? There was a new GM division for unknown reason. Well, it seems that a new "tier" was just created to every league (but GM hopefully), as proof I show you these 2 new master divisions (LA region): http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/114171/2/DoctorKalvin/ladder/53768#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/144637/2/LoWCaneK/ladder/53830#current-rank But... it seems they are not new "tiers", they are in the same tiers, they are just a very wierd bug. Anyway, new bugs does mean that they did hotfixed something, so maybe promotions were hotfixed someway indeed and that generated this bug. So this probably means the "S" rank probably continues. And that's it! Any questions?  | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On June 27 2011 03:49 SDream wrote: There's a weird bug closing random divisions before they reach 100 players. That means some players might be in divisions with only 3, 7, 1 player (or 30, 50, 70, it's random it seems). Exemple: In NA region, master leagues divisions are now capped at 36 players it seems: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1242988/1/Azz/ladder/53774#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/339363/1/Esco/ladder/53771#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/339363/1/Esco/ladder/53771#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1439204/1/PsyPhi/ladder/53775#current-rank This bug doesn't interfere with promotions nor do anything besides what I said above, so if you are promoted/demoted to a division with very few players and was wondering what was going on, that's it! The spoiler bellow is the old post, no need to read it: + Show Spoiler + It seems a new hotfix went live friday (24) (maybe thurday or at most at tuesday, jun 21th), but I am not sure what it did. But it seems it affects promotions, maybe they are once again trying for the LA region to have a 20/20/20/20/18/2 distribution between leagues? Or maybe they fixed the S rank bug? (people were still being promoted to S rank, they had only changed the offset of the diamond S rank so no one would notice, but they still were "S" in their "core" Anyway, if I confirm anything I'll let people know here. I'll put here this data so I can easily get some conclusion in some days: LA region players distribuition as of today (Jun/26th) for overall: + Show Spoiler + M: 2.1% (403) D: 6.9% (1,318) P: 10.0% (1,920) G: 13.0% (2,494) S: 19.5% (3,749) B: 47.3% (9,102) Active in the last 7 days: M: 2.4% (168) D: 7.5% (526) P: 11.2% (779) G: 14.2% (989) S: 20.4% (1,422) B: 42.3% (2,951) Edit: Ok, it seems like a new bug instead a new "feature". Do you remember the GM bug? There was a new GM division for unknown reason. Well, it seems that a new "tier" was just created to every league (but GM hopefully), as proof I show you these 2 new master divisions (LA region): http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/114171/2/DoctorKalvin/ladder/53768#current-rank http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/144637/2/LoWCaneK/ladder/53830#current-rank But... it seems they are not new "tiers", they are in the same tiers, they are just a very wierd bug. Anyway, new bugs does mean that they did hotfixed something, so maybe promotions were hotfixed someway indeed and that generated this bug. So this probably means the "S" rank probably continues. And that's it! Any questions? Okay so, right now there are 5 new developing Master divisions on NA. This is pretty crazy because there should only be one developing at a time. Moratun Pepper Preserver X-Ray Templar Iota Hierarch Tau Ursa Eta They seem to be correctly adding players, so they're not locked at a certain number. Right now they have 38 players each. | ||
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OneofOne
United States18 Posts
If anyone knows these values that would be a great help | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On June 28 2011 03:19 OneofOne wrote: does anyone know what points diffrence is for the favor system i.e. 1000+ = favored 500 - 999+ = slightly favored 499+ - 499- = even match 500 - 999- = opponent slightly favored 1000- = opponent favored? If anyone knows these values that would be a great help A while ago I collected some data and estimated it to be about 27 points per "points favored". That means -54 to 54 for even, 81 to 189 for opponent slightly favored and 216 to 324 for opponent favored. 27 is only a guess, so the real numbers may be off by a bit. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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OneofOne
United States18 Posts
On June 28 2011 15:16 Mendelfist wrote: A while ago I collected some data and estimated it to be about 27 points per "points favored". That means -54 to 54 for even, 81 to 189 for opponent slightly favored and 216 to 324 for opponent favored. 27 is only a guess, so the real numbers may be off by a bit. thats a pretty small margin IMO since MMRs range 0 into the 1000's. it may be close but i just dont know . thats why im asking | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:25 OneofOne wrote: thats a pretty small margin IMO since MMRs range 0 into the 1000's. it may be close but i just dont know . thats why im asking I don't think you're grasping it. The amount of points you get depends on your points versus your opponent's MMR, not points vs points or MMR vs MMR. MMR is also hidden. Points are also adjusted by each league subsection, and those point steps are not insignificant (in Diamond it's 63 points per tier) and their effects are also hidden. I think you should maybe read over the OP again to make sure you understand what is being compared here before asking your question. It's a valid question, and while the answer isn't exactly known, it should be close enough to make total sense. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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OneofOne
United States18 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:39 Excalibur_Z wrote: I don't think you're grasping it. The amount of points you get depends on your points versus your opponent's MMR, not points vs points or MMR vs MMR. MMR is also hidden. Points are also adjusted by each league subsection, and those point steps are not insignificant (in Diamond it's 63 points per tier) and their effects are also hidden. I think you should maybe read over the OP again to make sure you understand what is being compared here before asking your question. It's a valid question, and while the answer isn't exactly known, it should be close enough to make total sense. i understand that its points vs mmr , and that your mmr gets closer to your points as you get closer to 50% win ratio. im just kinda, i guess you can say gauge where im at in my 3v3 league. im at gold playing high plat, diamond, and even masters some times. i also know the system is more aggressive at promotions but im winning about 70% of the matches. Unfortunetly i have read the OP 100s of times and i just cant grasp most of it and that annoys me since i love knowing information | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:25 OneofOne wrote: thats a pretty small margin IMO since MMRs range 0 into the 1000's. it may be close but i just dont know . thats why im asking I don't think you are matched up with opponents with MMR differences in the 1000s, not even in team games. If you think you are, I think you are wrong. :-) The usual error people are doing when trying to look up the league of the opponent team is looking at the league icon at the main page. You have to find the team with the correct names in it, and if you don't find it (not even in placement), it's a random team. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
I believe I've hit the region where Master players and High Diamond players overlap so lately I've been running into quite a few Master players. I'm not too sure what tier of Diamond I'm in or how to even figure out what tier it is but say for example I am not in Tier 1 but I still see Master players. So if I'm in Tier 2 and consistently playing with Master players would I still be able to receive a promotion or would I have to be in Tier 1? My fear is that if I am in Tier 2 and facing Master players I would have to really go over the top and outperform each and every Masters player I run into to receive that promotion after I hit the Tier 1 margin. As far as I can see I am able to play competently with Mid Masters players although my win ratio is barely 50/50. Looking at the graph it would seem like 50/50 is enough for the promotion, but if it ends up as something like a 60% win/lose req then that's going to be very discouraging... Also does the MMR shift at all depending my performance in-game? I know that the score screen does a very good job of depicting how close a game is. It'd be wonderful if the ladder knows that I am capable of playing on an even level with master players despite losing. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On June 30 2011 04:30 Snuggles wrote: Hey I've got a question here concerning league promotion with the many tiers of Diamond leading up to Masters. I believe I've hit the region where Master players and High Diamond players overlap so lately I've been running into quite a few Master players. I'm not too sure what tier of Diamond I'm in or how to even figure out what tier it is but say for example I am not in Tier 1 but I still see Master players. So if I'm in Tier 2 and consistently playing with Master players would I still be able to receive a promotion or would I have to be in Tier 1? My fear is that if I am in Tier 2 and facing Master players I would have to really go over the top and outperform each and every Masters player I run into to receive that promotion after I hit the Tier 1 margin. As far as I can see I am able to play competently with Mid Masters players although my win ratio is barely 50/50. Looking at the graph it would seem like 50/50 is enough for the promotion, but if it ends up as something like a 60% win/lose req then that's going to be very discouraging... Also does the MMR shift at all depending my performance in-game? I know that the score screen does a very good job of depicting how close a game is. It'd be wonderful if the ladder knows that I am capable of playing on an even level with master players despite losing. First, division tiers are there for no other reason than to obfuscate the players' actual rankings. It doesn't matter if you're tier tier 1 or tier 50 diamond, you'll hit masters with similar ease/difficulty either way. As for the win loss ratio, at some point in time, you'll have to be higher than 50/50 in order to be matched up against people in a higher league anyways. The idea is that, eventually, you'll be matched up against master players high enough in the spectrum that 50/50 winrate will be enough to promote you. Finally, MMR only calculates based on wins and losses. There is no other measure that it goes by. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
So it may go from in the order of MMR if I could give them labels High Diamond Low Master Mid Master When I hit Mid master players with the 50% winrate then it's promotion time, is that right? | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:43 Snuggles wrote: Alright so are you saying that playing competently against Low Master players will not grant me the promotion? The "spectrum" of players that I need to be playing against need to be players who are not normally facing Diamond players like me right? So it may go from in the order of MMR if I could give them labels High Diamond Low Master Mid Master When I hit Mid master players with the 50% winrate then it's promotion time, is that right? Basically, yes. A symptoms of this should be playing mostly masters players (70%+). This makes sure that you "belong" in the league, so if you lose 7 games in a row the next day, you won't be automatically demoted. | ||
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OneofOne
United States18 Posts
EDIT: i didnt not look at their match history just their ranks | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On July 02 2011 06:43 OneofOne wrote: since they are more aggrasive with permotions can you still skip a league? i seem to be playing more and more top 8 ranked masters while im still in gold EDIT: i didnt not look at their match history just their ranks My guess: they're bombing their MMR by losing games since the league lock was announced to be Jul 5 and new season starting Jul 19. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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