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Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-01 20:38:45
February 01 2011 19:39 GMT
#641
RuN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Brazil234 Posts
February 01 2011 19:45 GMT
#642
Just got promoted, from 2200 points to 1800.
My Portfolio ! http:/www.mgs3d.com
jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
February 02 2011 02:25 GMT
#643
On February 02 2011 04:45 RuN_br wrote:
Just got promoted, from 2200 points to 1800.


Congrats. Unfortunately posts that mention points before/after like this aren't helpful at all though, because we don't know how much bonus pool you had before, or your division modifier.
RuN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Brazil234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 02:39:51
February 02 2011 02:32 GMT
#644
well sorry about that, I didnt really write it down =/.

I do have a question tho, is there a hard cap for the number of players that can be in master league? If so why have we not hit it yet, new divisions are cropping up every day.

Is there no limit to master league players?


Also does that mean nobody can get demoted since there is technicaly no cap?
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oesis
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
117 Posts
February 02 2011 02:49 GMT
#645
You can be demoted out of masters league, and re-promoted into it, it happened to me, you just wont necessarily be put back into same division.
1000==0011
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12257 Posts
February 02 2011 02:51 GMT
#646
On February 02 2011 11:32 RuN_br wrote:
well sorry about that, I didnt really write it down =/.

I do have a question tho, is there a hard cap for the number of players that can be in master league? If so why have we not hit it yet, new divisions are cropping up every day.

Is there no limit to master league players?


Also does that mean nobody can get demoted since there is technicaly no cap?


Read the first post's section on activity. That's why more divisions are popping up. Players who are already in Master league just stop playing once they get promoted, which frees up more spots in the league.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12257 Posts
February 02 2011 02:59 GMT
#647
On February 02 2011 11:49 oesis wrote:
You can be demoted out of masters league, and re-promoted into it, it happened to me, you just wont necessarily be put back into same division.


Side note, I don't understand why you would do this. I saw your other thread on the matter. Your new division isn't any easier than your old one because there are no division tiers in Master league.
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Fmlead
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1 Post
February 02 2011 03:21 GMT
#648
Wait the Logo for Master League went from black background to blue background?
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4116/masterp.png
to
http://gamerant.com/starcraft-2-master-league-details-johnj-61159/
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 16:15:40
February 02 2011 16:14 GMT
#649
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..

Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).

Which leads me to my next question..

In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12257 Posts
February 02 2011 16:31 GMT
#650
On February 03 2011 01:14 SovSov wrote:
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..

Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).

Which leads me to my next question..

In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active?


As long as those top 2% stayed in the top 2%, yes. If one of them remained active but wasn't winning as often as someone rising up from Diamond such that the Diamond player reached the top 2% and crossed into that Master threshold, he would be replaced.

Your activity doesn't really matter as much as the activity levels of existing players. Take these two scenarios as an example:

Let's say there's a Top 5 league and it consists of Nazgul, Ret, Nony, Jinro, and HuK. They're all super top level players on their imaginary server. Now let's say PiQLiQ is down there in the #6 position and he just can't catch up to any of them. Suddenly Nazgul, who was in the #1 spot, quits the game to go hang out with Eriador on a camping adventure. After a period of time, he would go inactive, and PiQLiQ, on his very next game after Nazgul is no longer declared active, would move up into the Top 5. PiQLiQ's overall skill hasn't changed, and the relative skill levels of the TL players hasn't changed, but a spot opened up in Master and he got promoted because he was next in line.

Nazgul returns from his camping adventure with Eriador, which was actually studying the ancient secrets of Garimto in the Peaks of Baekdu. He hasn't lost any skill and so when he returns to SC2 he is still razor sharp. As soon as he plays his first game, he's still in the #1 spot, and even though PiQLiQ is active and plays 100 games a day, Nazgul's skill level is higher and so he returns to joining that Top 5 league. Because Nazgul came back, that puts PiQLiQ back at #6 and therefore out of the league.

I hope that illustrates both sides of the league change.
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SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 16:42:30
February 02 2011 16:34 GMT
#651
On February 03 2011 01:14 SovSov wrote:
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..

Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).

Which leads me to my next question..

In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active?


Active players have to do with every league. So if the total number of active playes goes up, then slots for every league will be made. Master has 2% of (top) active players in the same sense that bronze has 20% of (bottom) active players.

Inactive players are also playing though, they can play everyday and still be inactive, so they also deserve to have a slot in some league, right? Active players will dictate the boundaries for leagues, and then inactive players just need to cross it and position there confortable so the system promotes them.

You can't ignore that the server has "total players" and that total players are made of active and inactive players. Being inactive doesn't mean that you don't play for X time, but that you have a X bonus pool, which means someone can play every single day and still be inactive cause of the huge amount of bonus pool. (if you play only 1 game every day chances are you won't spend all your bonus points, ever, they'll just accumulate at infinite, so you'll be inactive forever.)
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
February 02 2011 16:36 GMT
#652
I am curious i read about inactivity and stuff and i was wondering if lots of people go inactive once making masters then new divisions are created. Once these players start to play again and become active will there not be over 2% masters? Or would people get demoted?
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 16:46:10
February 02 2011 16:44 GMT
#653
On February 03 2011 01:36 shtdisturbance wrote:
I am curious i read about inactivity and stuff and i was wondering if lots of people go inactive once making masters then new divisions are created. Once these players start to play again and become active will there not be over 2% masters? Or would people get demoted?


The 2% of active players for master and 20% of active players for bronze don't ever change, so yes, people will get promoted, demoted accordingly.

Then we have the inactive players, they can be anything, 100% of them could be on master (in a strange world where people that don't play are actually better than the ones that play pretty often, so not in our real world), but right now most of them are in bronze, inflating the bronze stats on sites like sc2ranks.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
February 02 2011 16:49 GMT
#654
On February 03 2011 01:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 01:14 SovSov wrote:
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..

Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).

Which leads me to my next question..

In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active?


As long as those top 2% stayed in the top 2%, yes. If one of them remained active but wasn't winning as often as someone rising up from Diamond such that the Diamond player reached the top 2% and crossed into that Master threshold, he would be replaced.

Your activity doesn't really matter as much as the activity levels of existing players. Take these two scenarios as an example:

Let's say there's a Top 5 league and it consists of Nazgul, Ret, Nony, Jinro, and HuK. They're all super top level players on their imaginary server. Now let's say PiQLiQ is down there in the #6 position and he just can't catch up to any of them. Suddenly Nazgul, who was in the #1 spot, quits the game to go hang out with Eriador on a camping adventure. After a period of time, he would go inactive, and PiQLiQ, on his very next game after Nazgul is no longer declared active, would move up into the Top 5. PiQLiQ's overall skill hasn't changed, and the relative skill levels of the TL players hasn't changed, but a spot opened up in Master and he got promoted because he was next in line.

Nazgul returns from his camping adventure with Eriador, which was actually studying the ancient secrets of Garimto in the Peaks of Baekdu. He hasn't lost any skill and so when he returns to SC2 he is still razor sharp. As soon as he plays his first game, he's still in the #1 spot, and even though PiQLiQ is active and plays 100 games a day, Nazgul's skill level is higher and so he returns to joining that Top 5 league. Because Nazgul came back, that puts PiQLiQ back at #6 and therefore out of the league.

I hope that illustrates both sides of the league change.

lol, thank you. :p
Cikop
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland28 Posts
February 02 2011 17:14 GMT
#655
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 03 2011 01:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 01:14 SovSov wrote:
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..

Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).

Which leads me to my next question..

In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active?


As long as those top 2% stayed in the top 2%, yes. If one of them remained active but wasn't winning as often as someone rising up from Diamond such that the Diamond player reached the top 2% and crossed into that Master threshold, he would be replaced.

Your activity doesn't really matter as much as the activity levels of existing players. Take these two scenarios as an example:

Let's say there's a Top 5 league and it consists of Nazgul, Ret, Nony, Jinro, and HuK. They're all super top level players on their imaginary server. Now let's say PiQLiQ is down there in the #6 position and he just can't catch up to any of them. Suddenly Nazgul, who was in the #1 spot, quits the game to go hang out with Eriador on a camping adventure. After a period of time, he would go inactive, and PiQLiQ, on his very next game after Nazgul is no longer declared active, would move up into the Top 5. PiQLiQ's overall skill hasn't changed, and the relative skill levels of the TL players hasn't changed, but a spot opened up in Master and he got promoted because he was next in line.

Nazgul returns from his camping adventure with Eriador, which was actually studying the ancient secrets of Garimto in the Peaks of Baekdu. He hasn't lost any skill and so when he returns to SC2 he is still razor sharp. As soon as he plays his first game, he's still in the #1 spot, and even though PiQLiQ is active and plays 100 games a day, Nazgul's skill level is higher and so he returns to joining that Top 5 league. Because Nazgul came back, that puts PiQLiQ back at #6 and therefore out of the league.

I hope that illustrates both sides of the league change.




Thats a realy good explanation. Maybe you should add that to the OP.
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 17:22:22
February 02 2011 17:21 GMT
#656
On February 02 2011 11:59 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 11:49 oesis wrote:
You can be demoted out of masters league, and re-promoted into it, it happened to me, you just wont necessarily be put back into same division.


Side note, I don't understand why you would do this. I saw your other thread on the matter. Your new division isn't any easier than your old one because there are no division tiers in Master league.


I think he means easier in terms of other people, not in terms of like Class E in diamond. The reason it would likely (but not necessarily) be easier is that if you got into an early masters division it would likely be with a lot of good mass gamers, but the later divisions would be less likely (but not guaranteed not to) have as many pro gamers. I think it's very likely (but I have not verified), that there is a correlation between later divisions and average rating of top 10 players and I bet the much later division have a much lower average typically.

edit: quoted wrong post, fixed
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12257 Posts
February 02 2011 17:32 GMT
#657
On February 03 2011 02:21 MoreFaSho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 11:59 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On February 02 2011 11:49 oesis wrote:
You can be demoted out of masters league, and re-promoted into it, it happened to me, you just wont necessarily be put back into same division.


Side note, I don't understand why you would do this. I saw your other thread on the matter. Your new division isn't any easier than your old one because there are no division tiers in Master league.


I think he means easier in terms of other people, not in terms of like Class E in diamond. The reason it would likely (but not necessarily) be easier is that if you got into an early masters division it would likely be with a lot of good mass gamers, but the later divisions would be less likely (but not guaranteed not to) have as many pro gamers. I think it's very likely (but I have not verified), that there is a correlation between later divisions and average rating of top 10 players and I bet the much later division have a much lower average typically.

edit: quoted wrong post, fixed


I guess it makes sense in that context, but it doesn't follow because everyone just uses SC2Ranks for Master league due to no tiering. Well... whatever =)
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:14:12
February 02 2011 18:13 GMT
#658
dunno if that is known but just saw this blue post(kapselus) in eu forums:


We are planning on adding a master league for 2v2, when it becomes popular in eSports. However, our developers will still discuss the possibility of opening it up earlier.


http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1622865644#13

maybe you want to add this to the op. maybe not. just wanted to drop it ~



and love your little explanation story. made me smile :D
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12257 Posts
February 02 2011 18:21 GMT
#659
Thanks, that is good info to add to the OP. I guess that means they're going to wait and see if any Proleague-style tournaments open up and whether they're popular? GSTL in a Proleague format maybe?
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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
February 02 2011 18:22 GMT
#660
On February 02 2011 11:59 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 11:49 oesis wrote:
You can be demoted out of masters league, and re-promoted into it, it happened to me, you just wont necessarily be put back into same division.


Side note, I don't understand why you would do this. I saw your other thread on the matter. Your new division isn't any easier than your old one because there are no division tiers in Master league.


I guess it might be working out the way he wanted if he did it on purpose. He is now #1 in the new division I just got into.
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