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On January 26 2011 04:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 04:26 darmousseh wrote:Hey exca, check out Huk's recent games. He is constantly being favored in all of his matches and his points are slowly dropping even though he has like a > 60% win rate recently. http://sc2ranks.com/kr/2083939/LiquidHuKI wonder if the distribution in master league in korea is off. Are you observing this with any of the other players? Edit; I've checked the top 20 people in the korean ladder and it looks like it is happening to all of the players. Those who aren't laddering are having abnormally higher ratings. Two things here: 1) The Master league offset is 150 points. People who had Diamond ratings of like 3500 unmodified points but just haven't played since the patch are still in the Top 200, hanging in there with the 3350-point Master players. If they did play and got promoted they would fall to around 2500 points and would fall off the Top 200. After probably 3-4 weeks or so we'll probably see every inactive Diamond player fall off the Top 200 (since if they were to play games they would get promoted). 2) At the top end of the ladder, it's very common for the top players to constantly be Favored because their MMRs and points are so far above the next-highest level of players that their win ratio has to be that much higher to stay ahead in points. We saw this in Diamond league too.
#2 That makes sense considering the matchmaking system and the likelihood of finding a good match is low for top tier players.
#1 Ok so the offset is 150 points, now do you have any information on recent games between top tier players to compare points lost and opponents MMR? If we assume a normal distribution rating system, and a K factor of 20, we can find out if the points are scaled and then come up with an approximate MMR for top tier players. Bonus pool seems to make this discovery harder.
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On January 26 2011 05:16 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 04:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:On January 26 2011 04:26 darmousseh wrote:Hey exca, check out Huk's recent games. He is constantly being favored in all of his matches and his points are slowly dropping even though he has like a > 60% win rate recently. http://sc2ranks.com/kr/2083939/LiquidHuKI wonder if the distribution in master league in korea is off. Are you observing this with any of the other players? Edit; I've checked the top 20 people in the korean ladder and it looks like it is happening to all of the players. Those who aren't laddering are having abnormally higher ratings. Two things here: 1) The Master league offset is 150 points. People who had Diamond ratings of like 3500 unmodified points but just haven't played since the patch are still in the Top 200, hanging in there with the 3350-point Master players. If they did play and got promoted they would fall to around 2500 points and would fall off the Top 200. After probably 3-4 weeks or so we'll probably see every inactive Diamond player fall off the Top 200 (since if they were to play games they would get promoted). 2) At the top end of the ladder, it's very common for the top players to constantly be Favored because their MMRs and points are so far above the next-highest level of players that their win ratio has to be that much higher to stay ahead in points. We saw this in Diamond league too. #2 That makes sense considering the matchmaking system and the likelihood of finding a good match is low for top tier players. #1 Ok so the offset is 150 points, now do you have any information on recent games between top tier players to compare points lost and opponents MMR? If we assume a normal distribution rating system, and a K factor of 20, we can find out if the points are scaled and then come up with an approximate MMR for top tier players. Bonus pool seems to make this discovery harder.
I'm not even going to try mapping MMR. We know far too little about it.
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Has there been any update on the status of masters league for team games?
official updates, of course.
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On January 26 2011 07:49 Laxzngr wrote:
Has there been any update on the status of masters league for team games?
official updates, of course.
Blizzard hasn't commented on the status of Master leagues in team game types. Naturally, we haven't seen any and it's been 2 weeks since the patch, so pretty safe to say they don't exist.
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Just got promoted to masters right now. Was in diamond at roughly 2650 points and then after promotion, 2350. For what it's worth, for the last 15 games or so I kept getting matched with ~2600 masters or ~2800 diamond. So if you are getting matched with mostly masters or high diamond and winning, you are close to a promotion.
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On January 25 2011 02:20 semajwd wrote:
I figured, from my promotion i was around 2100 when i started playing again, i went up to 2900 with my bonus pool(Used it up completley) and at around 15 points per win, i played over 200 games and I was put into masters at 2480rating getting bumped down from diamond 2928 (So considering this) when they put you in masters i think they completley remove your bonus pool from your rating "giving you your real rating for the time behing until you play your bonus pool again. However I figure that behing said, around a 2400+ rating without your pool, will give you chance to moveup to masters, other then that i can't really say much else about it. Chances are if your playing masters/high diamonds you will be moving up if your win rate stays the same or improves.
I actually think you are right of all people, i think its simply that easy.
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I had 40 wins and around 1000 diamond points when I was promoted to Masters.
My Bonus pool was over 1600. After promotion, my points went to around 800~ish or so.
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what's considered high diamond ATM? I'm consistently matched with 2600 diamond but no master league players, so am i being considered for promotion?
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On January 28 2011 00:51 darkevilxe wrote:
what's considered high diamond ATM? I'm consistently matched with 2600 diamond but no master league players, so am i being considered for promotion?
You're probably not very close, then. The max bonus pool right now is 2500. Those are virtually free points, so if we discount those points, your actual points are closer to 100 (and that's not counting your possible hidden division offset, which may not be insignificant), or roughly 8 wins over losses. You'll know you're close once you start getting matched against Master players very regularly, but for now it sounds like you're around the bottom-mid of Diamond.
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Excalibur, its been 2 week since masters have been introduced are you close to crack masters bonus modifier and all that jazz or blizzard thought you were too close to cracking it first time so they made it even more harder now ??
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On January 28 2011 03:16 desrow wrote:
Excalibur, its been 2 week since masters have been introduced are you close to crack masters bonus modifier and all that jazz or blizzard thought you were too close to cracking it first time so they made it even more harder now ??
We solved it this week. The league offset is -150 from S-Rank Diamond, but all Master divisions are equal.
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got just promoted: 2938 -> 2533
in case anyone is interessted
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you probably lost the -150 and your league modifier 
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On January 28 2011 06:12 Ruthless wrote:you probably lost the -150 and your league modifier
Uh no. First post dude, read it. Points are reset to spent bonus pool + 73.
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When I got promoted I didn't have too many games played and I had a huge bonus pool. I have a record of something like 120-90 and when I was promoted I kept 1700 of my 2000 points and my bonus pool stayed the EXACT same. Ive only played one game since so im at ~1750 masters i think as of yesterday with a 950 bonus pool.
Before getting promoted I was facing 2850+ diamonds and 2500-2700 masters regularly. Im guessing assuming everyones skill level stays the same in relation to my development, when I spend this bonus pool ill be around ~2600. If I improve faster or am actually ahead of where my MMR currently lies I could end up being higher but if I win just half my games thats about where id be. All of my opponents are pretty much around that rating currently.
Ive also been keeping track of my last 40 games or so in SC2 gears and over that period of time i have a 65-70% win rate. Does your MMR move up more quickly if you are on a hot streak because you are facing harder opponents?
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On January 28 2011 06:02 Zeon0 wrote:
got just promoted: 2938 -> 2533
in case anyone is interessted
What was your bonus pool at? I'm not understanding what "spent bonus pool" means :S
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On January 28 2011 06:52 uok wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 06:02 Zeon0 wrote:
got just promoted: 2938 -> 2533
in case anyone is interessted What was your bonus pool at? I'm not understanding what "spent bonus pool" means :S
Right now the current max bonus pool is 2488, increasing 1 point every 112 minutes. If you have 1000 remaining bonus pool, then you've spent 1488 bonus pool so far. If you got promoted at that exact moment, your points in your new league would be 1561.
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So I am kinda confused. I'm in plat because I recently bought the game, but I've been playing Diamond people a lot recently, winning some losing some. Is it not promoting me because It only wants to promote you once and I'm between diamond and masters, or because b.net is a PoS?
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On January 26 2011 07:51 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 07:49 Laxzngr wrote:
Has there been any update on the status of masters league for team games?
official updates, of course. Blizzard hasn't commented on the status of Master leagues in team game types. Naturally, we haven't seen any and it's been 2 weeks since the patch, so pretty safe to say they don't exist.
Right now they dont exist. I dont think they make alot of sense, but blizzard can do whatever they want. And if they want a master's league for teams games - we are gonna get it.
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On January 28 2011 11:26 Ursad0n wrote:
So I am kinda confused. I'm in plat because I recently bought the game, but I've been playing Diamond people a lot recently, winning some losing some. Is it not promoting me because It only wants to promote you once and I'm between diamond and masters, or because b.net is a PoS?
It waits until you have played more games and it has a better sense of how good you are. Otherwise you would be constantly getting promoted/demoted.
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