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Jayrod
1820 Posts
the 100th place guy was 24-9.. in masters. I then checked his game history which showed that he played 1 ladder game 1 week ago and won. Before that it was 1 game 17 weeks ago, won. Before that it was 1 game 21 weeks ago, won. I couldnt see the other 30 games and im assuming they had to be right at release. How was he promoted after 1 game after a 17 week break? | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
How was he promoted after 1 game after a 17 week break? As we've said in the last pages at least twice, you don't have to be an active player to be promoted. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:08 Jayrod wrote: How was he promoted after 1 game after a 17 week break? his MMR was high enough 17 weeks ago | ||
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Terranium
Turkmenistan144 Posts
My brother is a 2.6k diamond protoss at the moment with about 150 bonus pool. He had 1000 bonus pool pre-patch and has been playing a ton since 1.2 trying to get into masters but so far still not promoted. He asked me for help last night. I myself got promoted last week after about 5 games. I was 2.6k diamond terran at that time with no bonus points. (I regularly play 1v1 with my brother and I know our skills are very close.) So last night I played on my brothers account for 6 games. I went 4-2. No promotion. All of my opponents were high diamonds. And as a master leaguer I must say the high diamonds were by no means easier to beat than the average master opponents I played on my own account. I know that how often you play doesn't factor into promotion so I'm really quite confused now how this system works. Maybe it has something to do with race? | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On January 25 2011 15:47 Terranium wrote: Ok explain this: My brother is a 2.6k diamond protoss at the moment with about 150 bonus pool. He had 1000 bonus pool pre-patch and has been playing a ton since 1.2 trying to get into masters but so far still not promoted. He asked me for help last night. I myself got promoted last week after about 5 games. I was 2.6k diamond terran at that time with no bonus points. (I regularly play 1v1 with my brother and I know our skills are very close.) So last night I played on my brothers account for 6 games. I went 4-2. No promotion. All of my opponents were high diamonds. And as a master leaguer I must say the high diamonds were by no means easier to beat than the average master opponents I played on my own account. I know that how often you play doesn't factor into promotion so I'm really quite confused now how this system works. Maybe it has something to do with race? I'd say the mmr requirement to get into Master will continue to climb up as the system continually demotes the lowest Masters. You'll prolly need to get to 2.9k to get into Master now. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On January 25 2011 15:50 Dionyseus wrote: I'd say the mmr requirement to get into Master will continue to climb up as the system continually demotes the lowest Masters. You'll prolly need to get to 2.9k to get into Master now. I think that's probably true, at least in the short term. Remember that Master is only the top 2% of active players, so the skill difference between high Diamond and low-to-mid Master is probably not very large. That means Master is going to be quite competitive to get into, especially early on as that bar keeps rising. Eventually it will probably fall a bit as more Master players go inactive, but that depends on whether the lower leagues carry a smaller proportion of players who are quitting. | ||
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2170697/1/FullTiltPokr/ | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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god deezy yo
49 Posts
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JDM.s2000
United States122 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On January 25 2011 16:14 Turo wrote: how is THIS guy #157 on the top 200 list? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2170697/1/FullTiltPokr/ He has enough points, MMR and activity. The question should be: how is he not on master league? And the answer is also simple, he hasn't playing since the patch, he probably just needs 1 victory to be promoted, but then he won't have enough points anymore  | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
To make my point more clear: does anybody know the average (!) point-bar for people to get promoted into master right now? Obviously I tried to find intel on sc2ranks, nevertheless the problem is, that there are still so many players with really high ratings who just didn't play a game because they have a knew account. Btw this is not me wanting to find out how "high" I have to climb, my skill is currently below what I'd consider to be master-worthy. I'm simply 100% interested. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
Right now the answer is: 2430 (bonus pool) + 73 = 2503 Sum 12 for every day after today and you will keep it up to date. Anyone with less than that is then obviously low diamond, but having more than that, more than the MINIMUN won't make you out of low diamond, really. The main problem here is the existence of division tiers on diamond, so a 2500 E-Diamond is obviously low, but an 2500 S-Diamond is actually 315+ worth, and that's a huge difference. That said, unless you know you division offset, you can't even speculate about if you are low or mid. 315 points difference is too much to ignore. In my opinion, high diamond are the ones that face masters somewhat often. mid diamond are the ones that only face diamond, and low diamond are the ones that still face platinum from time to time. That's a way reasonable way to separete things, now that it doesn't matter, as we do have master players, they matter. Cya | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
I wonder if the distribution in master league in korea is off. Are you observing this with any of the other players? Edit; I've checked the top 20 people in the korean ladder and it looks like it is happening to all of the players. Those who aren't laddering are having abnormally higher ratings. | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
And I don't think people is gonna start demoting people who haven't played in a month or so. So that is something that we will have to see, in example 2 months from now some people that have gone inactive might start dropping out. Altough I have no idea how they would do that, since currently you have to win or lose a game to get promoted/demoted. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On January 26 2011 04:50 Icx wrote: I think that is to early to tell, since the master's league has only existed for a couple of weeks now. And I don't think people is gonna start demoting people who haven't played in a month or so. So that is something that we will have to see, in example 2 months from now some people that have gone inactive might start dropping out. Altough I have no idea how they would do that, since currently you have to win or lose a game to get promoted/demoted. Most demotions occur when a player has gone inactive for a while and then come back to get demoted in like 3-4 games. Most active players are improving at the game so they are unlikely to get demoted. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On January 26 2011 04:26 darmousseh wrote: Hey exca, check out Huk's recent games. He is constantly being favored in all of his matches and his points are slowly dropping even though he has like a > 60% win rate recently. http://sc2ranks.com/kr/2083939/LiquidHuK I wonder if the distribution in master league in korea is off. Are you observing this with any of the other players? Edit; I've checked the top 20 people in the korean ladder and it looks like it is happening to all of the players. Those who aren't laddering are having abnormally higher ratings. Two things here: 1) The Master league offset is 150 points. People who had Diamond ratings of like 3500 unmodified points but just haven't played since the patch are still in the Top 200, hanging in there with the 3350-point Master players. If they did play and got promoted they would fall to around 2500 points and would fall off the Top 200. After probably 3-4 weeks or so we'll probably see every inactive Diamond player fall off the Top 200 (since if they were to play games they would get promoted). 2) At the top end of the ladder, it's very common for the top players to constantly be Favored because their MMRs and points are so far above the next-highest level of players that their win ratio has to be that much higher to stay ahead in points. We saw this in Diamond league too. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On January 26 2011 04:31 DreamRaider wrote: Has anyone confirmed you could get demoted not even playing 1v1 games in general in masters? Like master league camping? You don't get demoted due to inactivity and inactive players don't "reserve" spots in leagues. They still keep the icon but they're not counted as part of the active population and therefore don't prevent other players from moving into the league. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
That said, none will be demoted without playing games. These guys with 40 games on master, they are already inactive, doesn't matter that they played yesterday. Well, again, non-confirmed information Believe at your own risk ^^ | ||
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