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On February 03 2011 01:34 SDream wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 01:14 SovSov wrote:
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..
Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).
Which leads me to my next question..
In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active? Active players have to do with every league. So if the total number of active playes goes up, then slots for every league will be made. Master has 2% of (top) active players in the same sense that bronze has 20% of (bottom) active players. Inactive players are also playing though, they can play everyday and still be inactive, so they also deserve to have a slot in some league, right? Active players will dictate the boundaries for leagues, and then inactive players just need to cross it and position there confortable so the system promotes them. You can't ignore that the server has "total players" and that total players are made of active and inactive players. Being inactive doesn't mean that you don't play for X time, but that you have a X bonus pool, which means someone can play every single day and still be inactive cause of the huge amount of bonus pool. (if you play only 1 game every day chances are you won't spend all your bonus points, ever, they'll just accumulate at infinite, so you'll be inactive forever.)
Is that really true? Because people get promoted into Diamond (like myself) and Masters with low amounts of games played and high bonus pool.
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On February 03 2011 19:40 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 01:34 SDream wrote:On February 03 2011 01:14 SovSov wrote:
Hello Excalibur, I have a couple of questions for you..
Ok, so Masters is the Top 2% of ACTIVE players. Does this mean that if those same Top 2% players stayed active then no one would be able to get into Masters unless someone gets demoted first? (I'd assume this to be true for all leagues if every player was active all the time).
Which leads me to my next question..
In theory doesn't playing ladder more (staying active) increases your chance of getting promoted? Since the Top 2% of active players in November might not be as strong as the October ones, which would mean Master League actually fluctuates in skill level depending on who is active? Active players have to do with every league. So if the total number of active playes goes up, then slots for every league will be made. Master has 2% of (top) active players in the same sense that bronze has 20% of (bottom) active players. Inactive players are also playing though, they can play everyday and still be inactive, so they also deserve to have a slot in some league, right? Active players will dictate the boundaries for leagues, and then inactive players just need to cross it and position there confortable so the system promotes them. You can't ignore that the server has "total players" and that total players are made of active and inactive players. Being inactive doesn't mean that you don't play for X time, but that you have a X bonus pool, which means someone can play every single day and still be inactive cause of the huge amount of bonus pool. (if you play only 1 game every day chances are you won't spend all your bonus points, ever, they'll just accumulate at infinite, so you'll be inactive forever.) Is that really true? Because people get promoted into Diamond (like myself) and Masters with low amounts of games played and high bonus pool.
That's why we think you're not considered inactive unless you fail to fulfill both of those activity requirements (not spending 90 a week and not going above X remaining bonus pool).
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I haven't laddered in a long time and yesterday I started again with a bp of 1500 and ratings of 1000. After 20 or so games, winning more than 80% of them. I was 1500 with bp of about 1250. Then I read your post saying that you can only be promoted if your bp is less than a certain value. Is this true, and will I have to play a ton of games to decrease my bp to get into Masters?
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I think i'm on the borderline (Barbu.255)
Currently #1 on my division with 2900ish points
Faced 4 masters so far and won 3 of them but I sometimes loose to 2800+ diamond so the system is probably waiting...
Good luck to you guys !
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On February 04 2011 04:47 BlackMesa wrote:
I haven't laddered in a long time and yesterday I started again with a bp of 1500 and ratings of 1000. After 20 or so games, winning more than 80% of them. I was 1500 with bp of about 1250. Then I read your post saying that you can only be promoted if your bp is less than a certain value. Is this true, and will I have to play a ton of games to decrease my bp to get into Masters?
No, that is not accurate. Promotion occurs independently of your active status. You can be promoted even if you are inactive, but you are not counted among the active population. You get promoted based on the active status of your opponents.
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On February 05 2011 05:21 Vezex wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 04:51 Predateur wrote:
I think i'm on the borderline (Barbu.255)
Currently #1 on my division with 2900ish points
Faced 4 masters so far and won 3 of them but I sometimes loose to 2800+ diamond so the system is probably waiting...
Good luck to you guys ! in the same boat man  over 3k points in diamond, about to break into the top 10 (of diamond) in NA but still no promo been beating master league players (some favored some not) Is it possible at some point that master league will be "full" and that people like me and Predateur would have to wait for other players to go inactive or be demoted regardless of our MMR?
Again, no. You could just get higher up than existing Master league players and get promoted once you cross that confidence threshold.
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me and my friend after reached 3060 elo points prompted to master leage.
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I friggin finally got promoted, had 3,1k points. Seeing sc2ranks there are 4,6k people in master now, about the same amount as when I got promoted to diamond in the summer.... lulz. Which means I'm not getting any better and blizzard should stop adding useless leagues every ½y.
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I wish you could see how close you are to getting promoted. I'm sitting at ~3.1k Diamond and have been consistently beating players in Masters. I even show up as favored against some of the Masters I play.
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On February 03 2011 03:13 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:dunno if that is known but just saw this blue post(kapselus) in eu forums: Show nested quote +We are planning on adding a master league for 2v2, when it becomes popular in eSports. However, our developers will still discuss the possibility of opening it up earlier. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1622865644#13
I hope they do this! My buddy and I are top 100 world in 2v2 and we were hoping to have a spiffy star, but no... :<
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On February 08 2011 01:36 escobari wrote:
I friggin finally got promoted, had 3,1k points. Seeing sc2ranks there are 4,6k people in master now, about the same amount as when I got promoted to diamond in the summer.... lulz. Which means I'm not getting any better and blizzard should stop adding useless leagues every ½y.
Well Diamond in EU now has around 36k players, so you being in a league with under 5k players has to mean something don't you think?
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I'm working on getting promoted, I'll try to keep tabs every few games to help your information gathering. But so far:
2832 Diamond with 115 Bonus Pool
I've faced a total of 3 or 4 Masters I believe, in the 2400-2600 range.
My division is UED Charlie, no idea what the bias is.
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I dunno if it helps, but here is some information
I got myself a second account, I had a 15 winstreak before and while being in diamond and before the patch. I had I think 44 to 16. I was already playing Diamonds while being in platin. After the patch, I won 1 game and got promoted to Masters and had 700 points, while the rest was probably bonus pool.
I would think that it is definitely about the MRR. Right now I am playing vs 2800 Masters on that account, and I played probably not more than 6 games after being promoted to Masters.
EDIT: Read through the last some posts.
I guess, the Master Leagues weren't full yet so it was quite easy to get into.
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Yeah i've been playing straight masters for a while and still no promotion.
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Just got into Masters league after a 7-8 win streak against Master players. I had ~3.1k points in Diamond and now I'm at 2690ish Masters.
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On February 08 2011 01:36 escobari wrote:
I friggin finally got promoted, had 3,1k points. Seeing sc2ranks there are 4,6k people in master now, about the same amount as when I got promoted to diamond in the summer.... lulz. Which means I'm not getting any better and blizzard should stop adding useless leagues every ½y.
Master League is far from useless.. it doesn't matter that there's still a huge gap between top of the top and low masters, the point is that now we don't have to fuss around with division modifiers. If I want to know where I stand on NA, I just hope on sc2ranks and bam, there I am, #1340 or whatever
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On February 09 2011 11:54 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Master League is far from useless.. it doesn't matter that there's still a huge gap between top of the top and low masters, the point is that now we don't have to fuss around with division modifiers. If I want to know where I stand on NA, I just hope on sc2ranks and bam, there I am, #1340 or whatever
What I meant was that adding leagues to top is useless, is there going to be 40k in masters in 6months or even ~10k. Becaus in beta platinium was highest, then diamond and now master, basically blizzard is just adding leagues to "cheat" peoples egos. What I what is that people would actually drop from leagues or kicked out because inactivity.
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i know this is offtopic but i like the look of the diamond better then the star...
also i got a question about the "active/inactive" thing. does this apply to players that are active purely on ladder or active on bnet in general? like if ive been playing a ton of custom games the last few months and not laddering, but i then suddenly start to play some games would i get promoted from diamond to masters if i start having a win streak against master players? or would it take significantly longer because i was not active on ladder?
i mean i am active on benet in general from play custom games/maps... just not on ladder. only got like 1xx games under my belt on ladder. so idk if its possible to get promoted to ladder with like 200 games played even tho i have heard it happening quite often.
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