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On January 07 2011 12:54 Ursad0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 12:51 Joroth wrote:
Sorry Steppes is just clearly imba for any race/build who is based off of macro. It only promotes all in as for the post is 2 months 2 late. Every the QQ nerds who cried about imbalance has long died off when they stopped getting attention. Go post this on the official forums if you want more attention. ... you're one of them aren't you? Please tell me what useful input this post provided. You clearly didn't read through the thread Imbalance posts (and discussions) are still around, they're just not their own threads because they got closed so they make posts in other people's threads You're only adding to the problem with your "evaluation" of Steppes.
Imbalanced does need to get brought up in some circumstances or else it may not get fixed. The people that complain and say anything is imbalanced just because they lost to it is the problem.
example: Reapers, 2 pylon ramp block, Ultralisks, Roaches (UP and OP)
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On January 07 2011 12:59 IllegalAlien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 10:39 Geovu wrote:
OH MY GOD THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS THREAD.
I'M SORRY FOR TYPING IN CAPS BUT GODDAMMIT I AM SICK OF IMBALANCE TALK.
Then go play a balanced game. That is all I have to say to this entire circle jerk thread.
...Oh boy, here we go.
Was that really necessary, dude? Couldn't you have just hung out at the BW forums instead?
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Even the "unstoppable marine/scv rush" has a counter now. Simply writing a strategy off as imba hurts the evolution of strategy.
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Amen, brother.
The funny part to me is that I stopped playing BW on any sort of consistent basis around 2002, so I actually remember it as a balanced game from before many of the balance patches :p , because there was just so much room to improve as a player.
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A bump of justice for the original poster!
also nice read
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Although I agree with you, seems like your time has been wasted. Much like trolling is the new hype, saying something is imbalanced is easier than getting better it seems. Regardless, great job. You should post it on as many forums as possible, especially on Blizzard forums. Maybe somebody there will realize what he was doing...
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Go play the game and have Fun!!!!
That's the most important rule imo.
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OP, I think insiting that people stop whining about imbalance really isn't helping the situation. If you feel that the game is balanced, fine, but other people have a right to express their own opinions. If we don't make threads discussing imbalances within the game, how would that get attention into blizzard's ears? if we feel that a strategy or matchup is unfair/imbalanced/lop-sided, there is no reason not to say it, as long as you are at a level where you know pretty well what you are saying. We want balance, that is fact, and if you feel that the game is balanced, good for you, but you have no right to tell others to accept your view. Just because the race you play feel reasonably solid against other races on every map doesn't mean that holds true for everyone, so please get off your high white horse and stop dictating to people what they can and cannot say.
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How can you tell people to not talk about balance when people we watch and love to see play have lost tournaments due to imbalances that were later patched that month?
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imma send this to my 1500 bronze buddy who doesnt know how to do anything and only know how to QQ
thx for writing this up mate!
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Very nice Writeup! Just one question: "are you Terranplayer"?? xD
Don`t take it too serious I´m just playing.
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i welcome this post. I was a long time lurker/follower of BW but I never play myself. When sc2 was released I was actually excited to start fresh with the great sc community that plays to get better, shares information and is just down right better than other gaming communities. However it seems like the WoW mentality of 'my class is broken fix now, xxx imba cant win with xxx comp' has flooded TL and the Starcraft community in general. It's been kind of a let down so far to be honest.
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Nowadays there's more whining about people whining than actual whining....
Threads like these are doing more harm than good. Especially since they try to force everyone either as a "Whiner" or "Guy who thinks the game is completely balanced". I think the game has some serious map balance issues and balance issues, including some that I know exist*. That doesn't mean I blame my losses on that. Still when some Zerg posts, "How do I win ZvP on Jungle Basin?" there's really nothing more to say than down vote it as a map preference because it seems to be only worthwhile to play as Zerg if you won't be able to avoid playing it in tournaments that you have a good shot of winning.
*To me anything addressed by Blizzard balance team means that there is in fact an issue there.
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Great post OP. There are "IMBA" units for every race. I like to consider SCII as any sport there are going to be evolutions of the game. Look at college football as a great example. Supposedly right now the spread offense is IMBA but there are coaches that are starting to figure out how to teach their players to defend it.
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On January 07 2011 13:49 Fa1nT wrote:
How can you tell people to not talk about balance when people we watch and love to see play have lost tournaments due to imbalances that were later patched that month?
of course some things might be imba, but OP says that one should be constructive when talking about the seemingly unbeatable.
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There is such a thing as over-balancing a game. That would happen if blizzard spent more resources and people to balance the game, and release balance patches sooner.
The problem with that is that it doesn't balance the game any faster. The players doing different builds and trending to do different strategies as a whole is what exposes any imbalances. Patching things too fast would just cause more imbalances that wouldn't be found immediately.
Also, this game is going to have new units in future expansions, and balance will change a lot in the releases of those versions of the game. So even if they patched SC2 to perfection, they would have to do it again as soon as they put in more units.
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On January 07 2011 13:48 5unrise wrote:
OP, I think insiting that people stop whining about imbalance really isn't helping the situation. If you feel that the game is balanced, fine, but other people have a right to express their own opinions. If we don't make threads discussing imbalances within the game, how would that get attention into blizzard's ears? if we feel that a strategy or matchup is unfair/imbalanced/lop-sided, there is no reason not to say it, as long as you are at a level where you know pretty well what you are saying. We want balance, that is fact, and if you feel that the game is balanced, good for you, but you have no right to tell others to accept your view. Just because the race you play feel reasonably solid against other races on every map doesn't mean that holds true for everyone, so please get off your high white horse and stop dictating to people what they can and cannot say.
Insisting people stop? No, do I feel the game is balanced, no.
Are your threads on TL doing anything but congesting TL and causing flamewars? no, Blizzard doesn't have a TL lurker team, they don't see this shit.
I'm not telling you to accept my view, and I am in no way dictating what you can/cannot say that is untrue.
I'm not saying the game is perfectly balanced, but rather that every single person who loses a game to someone they think they're better than shouldn't be claiming Imbalance because they fucked up, and they shouldn't be doing it on Teamliquid's forums, because BLIZZARD WON'T SEE IT. Go post on the b.net forums if u want to talk to blizzard, that's how it'll get attention into blizzards ears.
@whoever the fuck posted after him: Because complaining about imbalance on the TL forums isn't useful at all, and that's a problem that relates to them. what does you yelling at 3000 other people not as good as that particular player about how he only lost because of imbalance (which is impossible to say definitely) do to benefit the community or the game? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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Amen to this. basically been my position since day one. +1 to the OP.
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I don't know if this was stated already, but I believe that this should be read by any user before they decide to post about the game. Of course the game is gonna have its nuances. It is less than six months old. It has been stated several hundred times on here that you will not just create the perfect game. It has to develop.
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