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On January 12 2011 01:37 adius wrote: Whether or not there is imbalance is not necessarily germaine to what the OP is getting at here.
On January 12 2011 02:26 BeatriX wrote:
And simply you are trying to act cool by saying "LOL imbalance doesn't exist learn to play".
Could you at least show the common courtesy of reading the posts you're responding to instead of constructing an idea in your head about what people are "probably" saying and arguing against that?
If you seriously buy into the "internet petition" concept, then I guess I can't really reason with you. The fact is that game companies could not possibly give less of a crap about whatever kind of "organized protest" thing you think you're doing here. It's as if you think starcraft is a country and the authority of Blizzard derives from the consent of the governed. Hint: it's not and it doesn't
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On January 12 2011 02:40 adius wrote:
If you seriously buy into the "internet petition" concept, then I guess I can't really reason with you. The fact is that game companies could not possibly give less of a crap about whatever kind of "organized protest" thing you think you're doing here. It's as if you think starcraft is a country and the authority of Blizzard derives from the consent of the governed. Hint: it's not and it doesn't
This short paragraph probably best sums up the community-wide issue we have.
Nobody is getting anything out of imbalance talk except a cheap frustration venting mechanism.
And for people claiming that there are very few imbalance posts on TL, I honestly wish I could avoid them as well as you seem to do. The way I see it, in every single game-related thread, there's a ton of them clogging any serious discussion about anything. There has been a fuckton of them in the GSL live report today, and pretty much every live report ever.
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Starcraft: Brood War (the greatest game of all time to this day)
Subjective opinion.
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Slightly off-topic, but nobody should be modeling themselves after baller. you will get banned for sure (baller himself is definitely cruising for a ban one day). and charliemurphy wasn't all bad.
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On January 12 2011 02:50 trNimitz wrote:Subjective opinion.
True statement, more like.
When i want to play a game where imbalance isnt an issue i go play Broodwar, any other game is just garbage.
And infact i dont consider Starcraft 2 as a Starcraft game in general, the game is so fucking bad and full of morons that its not worth even having the same game franchise title as Starcraft: Broodwar
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On January 12 2011 02:48 Talin wrote:
[And for people claiming that there are very few imbalance posts on TL, I honestly wish I could avoid them as well as you seem to do. The way I see it, in every single game-related thread, there's a ton of them clogging any serious discussion about anything. There has been a fuckton of them in the GSL live report today, and pretty much every live report ever.
There's also this super obnoxious trend where someone will start a thread with a title that sounds like it's going to be a discussion on how to deal with some difficult timing push or other strategy, and then you actually read the post and the guy goes on this long rant and wind up concluding that the only way to beat it is for Blizzard to change something. Often there's the red flag where the guy will say THIS IS NOT A QQ OR BALANCE WHINE and you know it's a balance whine and can quickly back out, but not always.
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If you seriously buy into the "internet petition" concept, then I guess I can't really reason with you. The fact is that game companies could not possibly give less of a crap about whatever kind of "organized protest" thing you think you're doing here. It's as if you think starcraft is a country and the authority of Blizzard derives from the consent of the governed. Hint: it's not and it doesn't
what are u talking about??? what petition? what protest?
The only reason why i put the real life issue is just to point out why OP's general logic is fundamentally flawed. Starcraft is not a country, it's a universe.
Hint : Blizzard is not EA. They care about the game therefore they care about the feedback, and it is totally up to blizzard about the future of sc2, not me or u. The blizzard is the governor of sc2. as simple as that.
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On January 12 2011 03:06 BeatriX wrote:Show nested quote +If you seriously buy into the "internet petition" concept, then I guess I can't really reason with you. The fact is that game companies could not possibly give less of a crap about whatever kind of "organized protest" thing you think you're doing here. It's as if you think starcraft is a country and the authority of Blizzard derives from the consent of the governed. Hint: it's not and it doesn't what are u talking about??? what petition? what protest? The only reason why i put the real life issue is just to point out why OP's general logic is fundamentally flawed. Starcraft is not a country, it's a universe. Hint : Blizzard is not EA. They care about the game therefore they care about the feedback, and it is totally up to blizzard about the future of sc2, not me or u. The blizzard is the governor of sc2. as simple as that.
IF the feedback was MUTUAL.
And not like someone rooting for a team and saying the other teams are OP imba etc etc
Agree 100% with op, imba topics from ALL MUs and races are tiring everyone....
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Nice writeup Ursadon, I am glad to have built my house in minecraft next to yours.
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On January 12 2011 03:06 BeatriX wrote:
The only reason why i put the real life issue is just to point out why OP's general logic is fundamentally flawed. Starcraft is not a country, it's a universe.
I know the reason why you made the comparison. That doesn't make it any less stupid or offensive to people with relatives in NK.
Edit: Ok I made an ass of myself here, sorry. I accused Beatrix of not reading and then I misread his post. Sorry!
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I know the reason why you made the comparison. That doesn't make it any less stupid or offensive to people with relatives in NK.
your post was really off-topic. but i will explain why my post wasn't
i didn't specify any country in my previous posts. u did. The reason i chose South Korea as a reference is because i m including internet speed as part of my argument and they have the fastest internet in the world. may be japan has the fastest one but since this is starcraft 2 discussion i see south korea as very valid reference. And north korea is not the only country with dictatorship.
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Awesome thread, I agree with all this.
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its an cool tread ^_^ but one thing is must say: nerf protess XD spy storm is very overpower ^_^
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Didn't read all the replies so sorry if this has been said but I definitely agree here.
For something to be imbalanced it would honestly have to be damn near impossible to lose with at high levels of play. The game is still young, so you know what, I won't deny that strategies like that could actually still exist.
There are two simple issues with all the imbalance talk going on these days.
1. For the most part, except for a few pros, people complaining about imbalance do not actually play at the highest level. They are probably just losing from other mistakes.
2. Even if these "imba" strategies are already in play, there are damn few people out there using them with the perfect execution required to prove that they are actually broken. In other words, you can still beat them. And if you can still beat them, what's the problem?
People should view difficulties as a challenge and a test of their own ability. Thor + SCV repair might seem imba to a lot of low-mid diamond players, but try using it against a real pro and suddenly I doubt it'll seem very imba to many people when they're trying to win with it and fail.
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On January 12 2011 08:05 Crono9987 wrote:
1. For the most part, except for a few pros, people complaining about imbalance do not actually play at the highest level. They are probably just losing from other mistakes.
If you don't think the pros complain about imbalance, you aren't watching enough pro streams. They complain constantly. The difference is, they have to figure out some way to play despite the imbalance because it's their job. I'm not a pro, I have no real desire to become a pro. If the game has balance problems, it's just another poorly designed game. Considering my experience withWC3, which I played for months hoping for Blizzard to address the balance issues before quitting, I have very little faith in the current state of SC2. The "balance" changes in 1.2 just reinforce my doubts.
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Yup , losing caused by imbalance is in other words stating that you did all the rest perfectly; a claim only few in the world are authorised to make.
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Man, Im so happy you wrote this post.
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On January 12 2011 03:01 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 02:50 trNimitz wrote:Starcraft: Brood War (the greatest game of all time to this day) Subjective opinion. True statement, more like. When i want to play a game where imbalance isnt an issue i go play Broodwar, any other game is just garbage. And infact i dont consider Starcraft 2 as a Starcraft game in general, the game is so fucking bad and full of morons that its not worth even having the same game franchise title as Starcraft: Broodwar
When regarding RTS games and talking about which game is the most balanced (aka got the most support), then yea SC:BW comes out on top. Nobody even limited it to RTS games though.
CoD4 promod, QL etc. etc. are just as amazing.
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The thing thats so stupid about the don't cry imbalance threads that come along so often is that they all ignore that this isn't the dark ages of BW where we didn't have youtube, day9 dailies, easy access to replays, large online connected community, a million years of BW experience and knowledge.
We have all those things now and strats take hours instead of months to spread about and be understood. The speed at which we are able to see a strat in all its nooks and crannies is ridiculously short now. We see the possibilities and can cry imbalance quickly when we know all the variables and together go through them at such a speed like has never been seen before.
Practice is greater then a seemingly imbalanced strategy to a degree; but we know when something is imbalanced faster then ever before.
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