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On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays).
This was an overall Protoss buff. Removing speed for voids is worth it to have +20 against ultra's, broodlords, thors, collosus, BC's, Carriers. Removing the pylon block was simply nerfing the single most retarded thing anybody can do in this game, even more retarded than SCV all-ins. Besides, you can still pylon block nearly as effectively with 3 pylons, and a cannon will still be up before any lings come if they 14 hatch, so don't worry, it hasn't been nerfed as much as you think. I've lost to pylon + cannon blocks at my ramp in the PTR, despite the nerf.
Cheaper observers, quicker phoenixes, and cheaper hallucination will all be very useful in the hands of good players.
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So they're keeping the weird stalement countdown?
Bleh
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On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays).
So now it takes 3 pylons or different buildings. At least you have the option to wall reasonably effectively. Zerg really can't do that. As for the speedray nerf, they're just changing the purpose of the unit, which btw, still hardcounters all of zerg tier 3.
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On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays).
Yep, zerg gain 0 buffs but also 0 nerfs, and the nerf on FG was ridiculous and only made ZvZ a crappy matchup.
Protoss gained a serious advantage with the Pheonix upgrade BUT STILL they whine like little kids. Come on, do you guys know Calimero? Protoss = Calimero = We are UP, Why always us, We always gets nerfed each patch.
*yawn*
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It can't be a coincidence that the Zerg changes coincided with the power of Zs in the GSL.
Lots of Zergs at the start.... oh dear they think they've buffed Zergs too much.
Then FD and NesTea get owned, top 4 is all P/T and then they revert them.
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ok that feels better. i like the reverts
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On December 11 2010 05:45 Klive5ive wrote:
It can't be a coincidence that the Zerg changes coincided with the power of Zs in the GSL.
Lots of Zergs at the start.... oh dear they think they've buffed Zergs too much.
Then FD and NesTea get owned, top 4 is all P/T and then they revert them.
This, I think Blizzard pays way too much attention to GSL. A lot of people do. European and Americans tournaments must be taken into consideration - and the power of Terran's in tournaments (perhaps it's because of their strong all-ins?) must be nerfed into the ground.
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On December 11 2010 05:30 Ummbeefy wrote:
No FG change is cool but now toss builds a structure simply for upgrades or...carriers?
Wow, if I want +2 air upgrades I need a building that only allows me to create carriers and improve the carrier effectiveness?
This feels very limited. Toss tech patterns already seem confining. This solidifies the you're one tech, stay there mentality.
You mean like the fusion core?
Yeah. It's fine. It also unlocks the mothership.
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On December 11 2010 05:25 Thehummel wrote:
Well.. Hurray for interface change! Yaaa
on a serious note.. I wouldn't say the game is balanced yet, although it's quite close. But it wont help if they do a change, and then revert them a week after..
Whenever I see a post like this, to me it says.... My [race I play] is UP and needs a buff or.....[race I do not play] needs a nerf.
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hmm seems the 2pylon wall off is gone but the 2bunker still works? i tested vs ai and i couldnt get a marine or scv in or out of the opponents base (i didnt have anyone to test the other side) and im not sure if the drone/ling pathing is different. Can anyone confirm?
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so in America patch is up?ALSO CHATROOMS+LADDER RESET IS COMING?
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On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays).
Well i think most people are satisfied with the trade void rays got, no speed for 20% damage to masive. Since no one really got speed anyways. Plus the Phoenix buff is HUGE.
This is a patch for Protoss. No real reason to complain at all.
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Where is the note of hold position units being pushed by zerglings?
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You could see the reverts coming a mile away.
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On December 11 2010 06:09 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays). Well i think most people are satisfied with the trade void rays got, no speed for 20% damage to masive. Since no one really got speed anyways. Plus the Phoenix buff is HUGE. This is a patch for Protoss. No real reason to complain at all.
Agree. Now after some zerg nerfs were removed people start saying that zerg was buffed lol. Toss will (probably) get nice buffs this patch - phoenixes, VRs, obs, haliucination, so why should they be QQ'ing?
And LOL at VR speed compaining, who was using that upgrade anyways? Now that VRs will do 20% more dmg to ultras, bloodlords, BCs, etc. it will be much better unit.
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On December 11 2010 05:41 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays). This was an overall Protoss buff. Removing speed for voids is worth it to have +20 against ultra's, broodlords, thors, collosus, BC's, Carriers. Removing the pylon block was simply nerfing the single most retarded thing anybody can do in this game, even more retarded than SCV all-ins. Besides, you can still pylon block nearly as effectively with 3 pylons, and a cannon will still be up before any lings come if they 14 hatch, so don't worry, it hasn't been nerfed as much as you think. I've lost to pylon + cannon blocks at my ramp in the PTR, despite the nerf. Cheaper observers, quicker phoenixes, and cheaper hallucination will all be very useful in the hands of good players.
Well you should've 6 pooled and forced the protoss to wall in cause one zealot doesn't hold.
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On December 11 2010 06:17 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 06:09 Karthane wrote:On December 11 2010 05:27 DaBears57 wrote:
I feel like the protoss players aren't complaining enough. I mean they removed speed void rays and the ability to wall off with two pylons. All of this happened without much QQ, almost the entire thread of the original PTR thread was zerg users complaining. Top protoss players are also too modest when it comes to balance. Top protoss players like incontrol and nony are the last ones to cry imba,whereas for zerg they have the very vocal idra and artosis.
After all is said and done, they revert zerg changes after only a couple of days and while they kept the phoenix buff, they still removed two huge aspects of protoss (pylon wall and speed rays). Well i think most people are satisfied with the trade void rays got, no speed for 20% damage to masive. Since no one really got speed anyways. Plus the Phoenix buff is HUGE. This is a patch for Protoss. No real reason to complain at all. Agree. Now after some zerg nerfs were removed people start saying that zerg was buffed lol. Toss will (probably) get nice buffs this patch - phoenixes, VRs, obs, haliucination, so why should they be QQ'ing? And LOL at VR speed compaining, who was using that upgrade anyways? Now that VRs will do 20% more dmg to ultras, bloodlords, BCs, etc. it will be much better unit.
I use the VR speed upgrade all the time in PvZ. They already did fine vs ultras and broodlords, and nobody makes BCs or carriers anyways so I see this patch as an overall nerf.
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Thank you Blizzard! I couldn't spam 414141441414414 at the beginning because it hurt my ears T_T
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