EPTHow does one become "pro"? - Page 5
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Players usually get a small fee for living expenses, but not much of a living outside of the top percentile. do you have to move to korea like IdrA and just find every little tournament plus GSL? No, there are professionals in Russia, Germany, Sweden, America, and even South America ! However they are a few specific people in the Americas, and Russia and Germany are because of their strong RTS past. cant you join a clan and get sponsored or something? Well sure, but you must remember they are going to expect a percentage of your winnings returned back to them, you're better off riding your own capital if you have any sort of promise as then you will be able to pocket the cash rather then give 75%+ to the team for travel and accommodations since they wont be relying on you getting 1st place. If you enjoy living underneath the poverty line, without giving anything back to the community, and being a drain on your family, North American Esports are for you ! If none of these things appeal to you, please stay in school, or get a full time job to stimulate the economy. | ||
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noobcakes
United States526 Posts
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stratYkEntropy
United States21 Posts
P.s. A pro is a player who gets paid to play. There are only 10 usa/can players probably thats gets paid? Do the minigun way and just mass games, while streaming. | ||
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ShangMing
Canada106 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:12 Kirameki wrote: Yes, obviously. That is my point. So if you are an amateur and you cash you are an amateur. But then when are you a pro? This is either an incomplete argument or a circular one. What if we have a unemployed amateur, as in it is not his job, who has rich parents/friends who give him a lot of money to gamble with and he makes a huge sum at a game he takes very seriously. TLO is an amateur any definition you can come up with. He might even be a retired or inactive amateur. Did he start playing again? Huk is semi-pro as he spends training full time but has barely made any money. Idra and Jinro are progamers. Never heard much about salaries in Sc2 except Boxer. But that's just his star power. You're not understanding the definition of "pro" at all. An amateur gambler plays on the side, while they have a main job that supports them. A professional gambler plays as this main job. You are correct in that the definition of "pro" can be ambiguous as you've provided in your example, however it is undeniable that not only S-class players are "pros". To call someone like HuK a semi-pro is a huge insult, in my opinion, also as IdrA said in a recent interview with Artosis, many of of the current S-Class players don't even belong up there. And from tournaments alone, IdrA has not made that much at all... If he were to financially support himself, the money would presumably be from a salary from his team, which would apply to other players on other teams as well. On a last note, many top Korean BW players make 6 figures. | ||
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stalking.d00m
213 Posts
Do what your heart desires. We get only one life and you shall leave no room for regret. This however, means you ABSOLUTELY love Starcraft 2 and will not be dissuaded by failures. Dedication.. no Utter Dedication is the key to success. PS:I gave a competition with 7,50,000 people for my job (I am from India and competition here is FIERCE) out of this only a thousand or so will be elected oh and by the way its minimum requirement is Graduate level education! | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:30 ShangMing wrote: EG and Liquid are probably the only Western teams with salaried players, and even then not all of EG is salaried (well enough to live off, at least). And about the top Korean BW pros: very few of them make 6-figures.And from tournaments alone, IdrA has not made that much at all... If he were to financially support himself, the money would presumably be from a salary from his team, which would apply to other players on other teams as well. On a last note, many top Korean BW players make 6 figures. | ||
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
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shinwa
Sweden225 Posts
There'll always be countless amounts of neigh sayers until you break through - and that part is solely up to you. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
Those who come from a BW background already have a huge advantage. Also, tons of games, analysis, hourly repetitive practice, discussion on strategies, studying opponents, is where you start to achieve pro level. And this isn't even a guarantee. You'll slowly start to see that this consumes a lot of time that can't be managed if SC2 will not be a proper amount of income to sustain living. Bottom line: If you want to be pro level SC2, you have to put a lot of time into the game. And this doesn't mean just laddering a lot. Anyone can ladder for hours. | ||
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SaikOuLighT
Canada742 Posts
By winning or placing high in tournaments, especially if you can take big names out is a very good start to getting into a team where you can potentially get paid from sponsors, as you really need to find a way to stand out from the crowd. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Re-evaluate your situation in say, 18 months. You'll have a much better idea if you have what it takes -- and if you enjoy it enough to make it a career. | ||
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Nedfryst
Sweden32 Posts
Used to play a game called Americas Army, a FPS where you competed in teams of 4v4 or 6v6 (some crazy 8v8 matches also, but that was mostly for lulz) I was a member of one of the premier team of the time (42.the Answer, in case you were curious) we had near flawless records in the ladder brackets and tournament brackets alike. Anyway, expect practicing for a few times a week together we played on public realms pretty much the rest of the free time we had, to find corky new ways to jump, toss grenades, shooting patterns and best possible routes to move. We had a whole forum section for each map, were every member had uploaded screen dumps of possible grenade bounches (ex. stand at EXACTLY this spot, aim at this pixel of the pole, 0.5 "cook" toss and the grenade will fly through a window spring around the corner, instantly exploding when landing in the room) finding these took hours upon hours upon hours, but it payed off. So what I'm saying basically is that in order to get to the top, not only do you have to play like a madman, you have to spent countless hours on finding the absolute top way to preform an action. And you need a helluva lot of luck ending up with the right people. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
Secondly, ask yourself this question. Are you willing to give up your personal space, relaxation time and your friends and other things to play games? If you can give up, then i can see you making it. If not, just forget about it. Its not as simple as so many people make it out to be, korean pros literally practice for hours every single day. Talent is going to only take you so far if you don't hone it. | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
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JoLanTru
24 Posts
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JoLanTru
24 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:27 hmunkey wrote: I forgot to add this so here: There are currently only around 50-ish people in the world who can financially sustain themselves by playing Starcraft, and the vast majority of them are Korean. Even top "pros" who are consitently at the top of tourneys and the ladder can't support themselves through SC. Everyone in Root Gaming has a job or is in college. The same applies for most of EG (save IdrA). Same for VT. Same for the lesser teams (Inflow, vVv, etc.) So the question then becomes, do you think you can compete with and become one of those top 50? If not, you really shouldn't be making SC your full-time dedication because even top pros haven't done so. Only "50" people can sustain themselves at the moment because there's no money being put into pro-gaming. Suggesting to people that they can't make it as a pro-gamer is one way to keep it at 50. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
Based on your current profile, I don`t think you should make a decision now to pursue becoming a pro gamer. My advice is to focus on both school and starcraft and after you graduate, evaluate how far you have gotten. You will also be more wiser in a couple years to make that decision as well. The only thing you have to sacrifice now is your social life. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I don't think you got what it takes. I didn't even play beta, I bought the game in September, I have played a total of 350 games. And I have more points than you have, so don't think you are a "fast learner". Did you watch Jinro play? Unless you can do what he does in the near future, then I don't think you should go pro. If you can get into a decent university, gogogogogo. Education > all. | ||
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McMonty
Canada379 Posts
E-sports are not like real sports where you can get college scholarships easily and get a free education even if you dont go pro. Im gonna have to strongly strongly recommend that you focus on school and work before you focus on video games. Im not saying that you should forget about your dream, im just saying that you should have a fall back plan, and you should understand that it is very likely that you will end up going to your fall back plan, so make sure that it is a good one. | ||
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