How does one become "pro"? - Page 15

Sm3agol

United States2055 Posts

January 14 2011 15:06 GMT

#281

On January 15 2011 00:01 jdobrev wrote:
months of dedication and you've played less than 600 1v1 ladder games? that's not dedication.

Devil's advocate.

He spends 5 hours a day playing customs with IdrA.

mistokibbles

United States68 Posts

January 14 2011 15:11 GMT

#282

I'd say start small. Don't immediately start going into tournaments. Try setting up a stream and working your way up the ladder. I'm not sure about Minigun, but as far as I knew, he played like crazy and climbed way up the ladder and is now part of ROOT gaming. At the moment, you're only around 2.5k diamond so you're going to have to ladder a ton. At least if you have a stream, you'll be known in the community.

theSAiNT

United States726 Posts

January 14 2011 15:31 GMT

#283

On January 14 2011 22:33 Red. wrote:
I dont understand what you guys say. "Dont care what the rest tell you?" "Do what you want to do and dont worry about what your parents tell you"?

What the fuck? seriously, what the fuck? Those parents are paying him: home. food. education. a good life.

You wanna pay them by not going to college, by not working. So, you want to be fed by them for another 5 years, and if you dont succed, you think anyone can go to college? Good luck. Seriously good luck. I hope you and those young boys that think like you wake up soon.

you want to know the truth? the truth is that you dont like learning. You dont like to go to school. You like sitting in your chair playing and chatting all day, watching forums all day. YES thats an awesome thing, i love doing it. but DUDE thats 1 thing, and succeeding in something as big as esports is something else.

Go to college.

A man of sense.

I'm not sure a starcraft forum is necessarily the best place to get career advice.

Sorry to be harsh but your 'improvement' is nothing special. Decent casual players can get to that level. If you can do what Kolll did then it would be a different story. As it is, enjoy SC2 and spend time getting better but realize that ultimately you will have to find a career elsewhere.

aka_star

United Kingdom1546 Posts

January 14 2011 15:53 GMT

#284

The easiest way to become pro is to play lots, but in order to do that you need $$$ so either get a job that lets you play SC2 such as coaching or streaming for payment, the alternative is to be sponsored by a team and for that you must give the team lots of coverage, traffic to site and representation so joining every tournament and placing top 4 gets you noticed. Or you can follow my route and find a real job and play after work..... working out how to fund the life style is a good step to becoming pro but a lot of it is down to luck and finding people that are in a position to help you out and believe in you.

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

January 14 2011 16:28 GMT

#285

Day 9, one of the best learners in gaming, ever, took 10 years between entering his first WCG to winning his first WCG. I don't think you have a big chance, but please prove me otherwise.

SolidMotion

Canada55 Posts

January 14 2011 16:40 GMT

#286

Yeah... I agree with those guys that if you have been playing since beta and just got to 2500, thats nothing impressive... I mean... I started playing sc2 1v1 after mlg dc and went from bronze to 2400 diamond...

Just saying...

ballasdontcry

Canada595 Posts

January 14 2011 16:58 GMT

#287

So I'll just echo the camp of "don't drop everything" sentiments. There's really no reason why you shouldn't continue your education while playing. You'd be hard pressed to find many jobs that don't require AT LEAST a high school degree if not more. And the current growth of eSports is unpredictable. Who knows what's going to happen in 5, 10 years? Best not to put all your eggs in one basket, as much as I or anyone else here would want eSports to be popularized around the world.

To the guy that suggested the people saying "you've got a slim chance" are jealous or haters, lol @ you. We're the only ones providing a reality check for the OP here while a handful of you are egging him on an near impossible goal.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

January 14 2011 17:01 GMT

#288

yep, this guy has no clue what he's doing, but I'll give you the "safe" road for those who want to be progamers.

- drop most of your hobbies other than starcraft. keep one form of exercise and then maybe one other serious interest other than starcraft.
- stay in school and continue to do well. the worst thing you can do is count on your improvement. you do NOT want to commit to starcraft until you know you will be successful.
- practice with all your other time. enter every open tournament with a prize. you will eventually get noticed by smaller sponsored teams if you do well. players on these teams are always encouraged to play these tournaments, and they will notice you.
- now you are around top 200 level, joined the b-team or non contracted roster of a sponsored team. continue living how you were.
- once you are contracted and have to constantly attend team practices and play in tournaments, consider dropping everything but school/work and sc if you're really committed. do NOT drop school or work.
- go to mlgs, play in other lan tournaments/TSL if you begin to place highly (top 8-16), THEN you decide if you want to drop school or work, if it is convenient for you. don't drop school if you know you won't start again. if you have the finances, consider going to korea.

Foxt

Belize181 Posts

January 14 2011 17:02 GMT

#289

I would say that e-sports offer very stable career for sc2-players.

Im gonna play tomorrow for 12 hours

0neder

United States3733 Posts

January 14 2011 17:09 GMT

#290

I would not write off college yet. Do your best in school and try to win some tourneys on the side. You shouldn't really decide to go pro until you've proven you have enough talent, THEN you can decide to commit to it full time.

I also disagree about Korea being the best choice to make money. That's where the best players are, so you probably are more likely to win prize money in the States/EU vs a smaller talent pool/less centralized competitive geographic SC2 area. There's a reason TLO went back to Europe besides his carpal tunnel. He knew he could win many tourneys while in Korea he was unlikely to win them, in spite of the prize pool being much higher.

Foxt

Belize181 Posts

January 14 2011 17:13 GMT

#291

Korea is for those, who already has a team.

Ricjames

Czech Republic1047 Posts

January 14 2011 18:06 GMT

#292

Dude...just play your best, win significant amount of tournaments and some team will pick you up if they like you. Still you have really really small chance but whatever. Wish you good luck and have fun, that's most importnant.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

January 14 2011 18:13 GMT

#293

On January 15 2011 02:09 0neder wrote:
I would not write off college yet. Do your best in school and try to win some tourneys on the side. You shouldn't really decide to go pro until you've proven you have enough talent, THEN you can decide to commit to it full time.

I also disagree about Korea being the best choice to make money. That's where the best players are, so you probably are more likely to win prize money in the States/EU vs a smaller talent pool/less centralized competitive geographic SC2 area. There's a reason TLO went back
to Europe besides his carpal tunnel. He knew he could win many tourneys while in Korea he was unlikely to win them, in spite of the prize pool being much higher.

You're missing the important part, which is that korea is the best place to improve.

Kindred

Canada396 Posts

January 14 2011 18:14 GMT

#294

Quoted for truth.
Most sensible post I've seen.

Arcanewinds

United Kingdom197 Posts

January 14 2011 18:17 GMT

#295

Don't bother aiming to be 'pro'.

Aim to be the best, being a 'pro' will come with that.

I've been playing since the game first came out, as my first real RTS and I'm 2700 diamond.

Imma be pro before yooooouuu :D.

Seriously though, you have to think that all these people have had a lot more experience than you in RTS, so make sure all your practice is more concentrated and more valuable than theirs.

Step 1. Play
Step 2. Encounter a problem
Step 3. Try to Resolve the problem
Step 4. Did it work? If not, try again, or see how a tiptop player does it.
Step 5. Fix your error
Step 6. Repeat.

Too many people just

Play -> Encounter a Problem -> Play again anyway.

You can't learn if you do that.

If you make a mistake, but carry on regardless, your brain will tell you that it is okay.
Instead, stop and do it till you get it right.

Now, obviously you can't quit whenever you get supply blocked, but make sure you make yourself feel shit about it, so that you don't do it again ;D.

Good luck in getting to the top

, I'll see you at the end!

Edit: Oh, and go to school kids!

Zeetee

United States153 Posts

January 14 2011 18:19 GMT

#296

On December 10 2010 13:58 Idmaif wrote:
ok, i know this sounds crazy to a ton of people, but i am halfway through my Jr year in highschool, and im working on getting good enough to be able to become pro right after highschool. and i know there are going to be tons of people who say "dont do it! its too risky!" or "your wasting your life" but this is what i am dedicated to do.

let me start off by saying how good i actually am right now. so i have been playing for about 8 months, (since beta) and i have improved from pretty low bronze newbie to pretty high diamond because i am a very fast learner. but if i made that much of an improvement in 8 months, another year and half will get me a lot higher. so i am constantly working my way up to get closer to the top 200 where a few of my friends are. here is my profile
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/339086/1/iDreamadroid/
so i am not the best in the world yet, but probly around rank 4000 in the US. and of course i will work my way up.

so how do people actually start to make a living off of it?
do you have to move to korea like IdrA and just find every little tournament plus GSL?
cant you join a clan and get sponsored or something?

i am just a little unfamiliar of the whole process of how this works.
so any productive responses are appreciated, just try to leave out the criticism. but i know that Team Liquid is awesome enough to have less trolls than any other forum.

also maybe remember the name iDreamadroid for future years ;D everyone starts somewhere

If you really want to become a pro gamer, just get good at the game and everything else will follow. You don't need to "make connections" or anything...

dmillz

Canada270 Posts

January 14 2011 18:30 GMT

#297

Why does everyone think its either high school/college for sc2?

I've finished high school, I finished college, there is plenty of time if he manages his schedule to do both. You can easily fit in 8-10 hours of play a day on top of schooling if you are committed to it, probably even more. Like everyone else says also do as many tournaments as you possibly can, start a livestream, get your name out there!!

On January 15 2011 03:19 Zeetee wrote:
If you really want to become a pro gamer, just get good at the game and everything else will follow. You don't need to "make connections" or anything...

I pray to brother Mack that this guy is being sarcastic. Its WHO you know not WHAT you know for the most part in everything in life.

Starshaped

Sweden575 Posts

January 14 2011 18:32 GMT

#298

I'm curious why you want to be a progamer.

NonY

8748 Posts

January 14 2011 18:34 GMT

#299

On January 15 2011 03:30 dmillz wrote:

Show nested quote +

I pray to brother Mack that this guy is being sarcastic. Its WHO you know not WHAT you know for the most part in everything in life.

Like standardized tests?

IPA

United States3206 Posts

January 14 2011 18:35 GMT

#300

On January 15 2011 03:30 dmillz wrote:
I pray to brother Mack that this guy is being sarcastic. Its WHO you know not WHAT you know for the most part in everything in life.

IdrA, HuK, Tyler, iNcontroL , Ret, etc could literally not know anyone and be contacted due to their amazing skill. If you think charisma and "connections" will land you a spot on Team Liquid, I don't know what to say. StarCraft 2 isn't a fraternity networking event.

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