Ultralisk 1.2 Test Results - Nerfed - Page 7

On December 07 2010 15:19 FabledIntegral wrote:
Zerg can just take too many bases and rebuild its army too quickly. I'm talking about a late game scenario btw, not midgame or midlate game or any sort of "ultra rush."

EDIT: I should also clarify, a major point in Ultra strength relies in its ability to be mass produced. So if you throw mass ultra at the enemy, and were not even cost efficient, in the late game stages you can just rebuild all those ultra from all the larvae and stomp over the new army that will be much weaker, and just continue to stream those units in. And you absolutely have to include the fact that ultras are made from larvae as making it a much stronger asset to the Zerg arsenal.

On December 08 2010 06:54 GoldenH wrote:


Taken by itself the sensor tower experiment isn't enough, but combined with the pylon test it is.


Pylon is 2x2, and two pylons in a row were hit by the same ultra attack.

Yet Sensor Tower is 1x1, again, only two Sensor Towers in a row were hit by the same ultra attack.

Also, the Sensor Towers in the corner were hit, but the Pylons in the corners were not.




This demonstrates that the ultra damage range is exactly 2 in both versions.

On December 07 2010 19:07 Everlong wrote:


Im sorry, but you are totally wrong.. Please, dont post if you have nothing to cover your silly arguments with. Even your god (Idra?) says Ultras are good for tech switches between Broods, wake up..

On December 10 2010 06:16 Simberto wrote:


The data is right, but your conclusion is just not logical. If a Sensor Tower were 1x1, and a Pylon 2x2, this means that the same space that is filled by a pylon is filled by 4 sensor towers, which in turn means that there would never be a situation where in a pylon-based grid there is damage done to a pylon where in a ST-based grid there would not be damage done to at least one of the STs.

However, as can be seen on the picture in the OP, in a straight line in front of the ultralisk, two pylons are hit, but also only 2 STs, as you stated. The only logical conclusion is that a pylon is larger than two STs, or at least the hitbox of the pylon is larger than the box made from the outmost edges of a 2x2 ST building area.

This means that the Hitbox of buildings is smaller than the surface area they block from building.

The area they block from units moving seems to be even another thing, if an Ultra before 1.2.0 could fit between two pylons, but not between two STs.

So, finally, this means that a building (and probably any other unit) actually has 3 different types of size, which are usually in a similar ballpark, but not necessarily the same. They have an area they block from building, which is and exact amount of 1x1 squares. They have an area they block from the moving of ground-units, and they have an area which must be hit by AoE effects for them to take damage. But one should not carelessly assume that all three of these areas are the same area that is blocked from moving. The data above shows that they most probably are not.

It is also important to note that the splash of the ultralisks obviously does not hit a rectangle area, since, again, only the middle one of the pylons in the second line got hit. It is possibly some kind of ellipse, but that can not be exactly told from this data.

Nonetheless, the data in this thread indicates strongly that the area of effect is indead smaller after the patch than it was before, since with similar experiments, areas that were hit before are now not hit anymore, but no area that was not hit before was hit after. Theoretically, this could be because the margin of error by chance only affected the area where there would be a gain on surface, but that is not very likely, since one can safely assume that the area cowered by a tower is not that different from its hitbox.

On December 09 2010 12:11 kckkryptonite wrote:


Your argument is faulty, because you are saying Ultras are good because they can be mass produced; this is a race-specific advantage, not a unit-specific one. You can mass produce and streamline any unit, not just Ultras. If a Z goes mass Ultras and wins, it was a game the Z would've won anyways. Feels like you build it just because you can... What purpose does it serve?

carrier+mothership viable