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Ill try to keep this as brief as I can!
I'm in gold, and I play lots of 1v1 custom games. The range of players there is vast, However diamond players come along the most I would say. I always end up falling short of course, but when I play a platinum player I can win sometimes easily. So, my question is how far apart would you think gold and platinum players are, and how far apart do you think diamond players and platinum players are. Bonus points for things you did in your play or things you realized that made a difference to increase how well you played.
I'll start by saying after I learned that putting 2 probes in my nexus's queue (1 building 1 waiting to be built) opens a window of time to throw down a building.
This is in general because I don't your 100 food build order, and I don't your I am just the best probe rusher in the world. General tips/trick/revelations that made you better, and an answer to how far apart these leagues are.
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Alot of Diamonds on Ladder are guys who got into Diamond early in release and then stopped laddering. Check out their match history and see all the customs. Most of them are scared of losing rank. Which in my opinion is stupid.
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there is usually an overlap between leagues, sometimes high gold beat low to mid plat, high plat beat low diamond from what ive seen on ladder at least.
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the only difference is better macro
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On November 28 2010 09:29 Blademage wrote:
there is usually an overlap between leagues, sometimes high gold beat low to mid plat, high plat beat low diamond from what ive seen on ladder at least.
Yeah, good point. But then how far ahead is a diamond player from a platinum player? because if I play like a platinum player should I really be getting owned by diamond. im not complaining about getting owned by them, thats what should happen undoubtedly. Perhaps gold is just a huge ways behind diamond, which again is ok. But i just dont know...
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On November 28 2010 09:32 b_unnies wrote:
the only difference is better macro
:| macro is important but the complexities of starcraft entail more than just macro.
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I can barely tell the difference between mid-high platinum and low diamond when I play them. Same for gold/low platinum. High diamond usually (but not always) stand out.
I feel the typical gold/low platinum player usually has an idea of what they should be doing but lacks experience and finesse in their play. Macro is usually very poor and games usually are cheese or turtle oriented. A high platinum/low diamond player usually has more sense of what they're doing but have poor macro and decision making.
The keys to getting better are:
1) Use your hotkeys all the time. From the beginning of the match you can easily make use of 3 hotkeys (scout, main, builder). Try to eliminate side scrolling/clicking the minimap as much as possible
2) Always make workers
3) Always make supply
4) Spend your money in any way possible. Once you find SOME way to spend your money you can worry about spending your money on the right things. If you can't spend that 400 minerals, expand
5) Worry about micro after you get your macro down. Then practice watching battles while using hotkeys to macro. Then practice doing both simultaneously. Remember, there are too many things to do in the game to keep up with every single one. You need to focus on the most important ones. Making more units/making those units better should be a prime focus.
Some mistakes I commonly see from players of lower caliber:
- No scouting
- Scouting without good reason
- Making units and not using them
- Not enough expanding
- Not enough worker production
- Not spending money
- Supply blocks
- Poor engagement positioning
- Poor macro mechanics (chrono, larva/creep, mule)
- No upgrades
- Getting active upgrades they don't use for a long time (i.e. stim when they don't push with it till 3:00 later)
- Poor hotkey usage/inefficient key clicks
A lot of it actually seems to usually be due to the fact that they are so preoccupied microing.
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When I get high or drunk I 1v1 CG vs anyone, and if someone is gold/plat I'm always offering help if they ask. Bronze and silver are so set in their ways, or advice falls upon deaf ears....err eyes.
I do a lot of fun CGs where I just hammer out the first 7 minutes of my build then do some more wacky things to enjoy the game.
Many a time I've played a guy, walked him, then he asks for a re, so I play him to full capacity so they can get at least a little idea in skill gap. Afterwards, I offer basic advice and cite TL for them to come soak it all in
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I find it varies a lot and there's no common difference between the leagues. I'm 2.1k and I recently played a T on ladder who completely outplayed me early game on Scrap Station, killing like 25 drones with banshee and hellion drops. I was debating whether or not I should just gg but decided to play it out. From the moment he took his natural, he literally played like a silver player. It was absolutely ridiculous, he was SO bad. There are a lot of players in low diamond and still some in mid/high that got to their rank simply by being good at 1 base play, but fall apart completely when they have to play a longer game.
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Depends on what race you play maybe? For toss, difference between gold/plat is macro + expansion timing. Diamond/plat was good force-fielding.
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On November 28 2010 09:35 OriginalBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:32 b_unnies wrote:
the only difference is better macro :| macro is important but the complexities of starcraft entail more than just macro.
Of course there are other important areas, but they don't matter below diamond. Problem with all players below diamond is they spent too much time on non-macro related things.
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If I'd have to say one difference though, I think the difference between platinum/low diamond and mid/high diamond players is that the former have no sense of aggression without going all-in. They usually either do some 1 base allin, or they try to go for the macro game and turtle up without putting any pressure on me as Z. I've only recently started playing players that can actually keep their aggression up while expanding behind them.
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judging if a player is good or not cant really be done straight off what league he is in, you can easily get low diamond off doing nothing but cheese and all-ins. People just have this idea that if they are diamond they are good, but you are better off getting there learning how play the game.
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On November 28 2010 09:41 b_unnies wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:35 OriginalBeast wrote:On November 28 2010 09:32 b_unnies wrote:
the only difference is better macro :| macro is important but the complexities of starcraft entail more than just macro. Of course there are other important areas, but they don't matter below diamond. Problem with all players below diamond is they spent too much time on non-macro related things.
Not true from my custom games experience. A lot of players below diamond have as good macro as low diamond players, but lack good builds, game understanding or other things.
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On November 28 2010 09:37 iAmJeffReY wrote:
When I get high or drunk I 1v1 CG vs anyone, and if someone is gold/plat I'm always offering help if they ask. Bronze and silver are so set in their ways, or advice falls upon deaf ears....err eyes.
I do a lot of fun CGs where I just hammer out the first 7 minutes of my build then do some more wacky things to enjoy the game.
Many a time I've played a guy, walked him, then he asks for a re, so I play him to full capacity so they can get at least a little idea in skill gap. Afterwards, I offer basic advice and cite TL for them to come soak it all in
I agree, Bronze and Silver league players need time to improve. The second thing you said maybe a factor sometimes you just have to mass archons in a custom game, or drop landed vikings, ect; just for funzies 
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On November 28 2010 09:33 OriginalBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:29 Blademage wrote:
there is usually an overlap between leagues, sometimes high gold beat low to mid plat, high plat beat low diamond from what ive seen on ladder at least. Yeah, good point. But then how far ahead is a diamond player from a platinum player? because if I play like a platinum player should I really be getting owned by diamond. im not complaining about getting owned by them, thats what should happen undoubtedly. Perhaps gold is just a huge ways behind diamond, which again is ok. But i just dont know...
If you want to know, stop customing and ladder more. Then you will be put in the league where you belong. Then you will know and you can continue customing.
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On November 28 2010 09:35 OriginalBeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:32 b_unnies wrote:
the only difference is better macro :| macro is important but the complexities of starcraft entail more than just macro.
While true, the difference between gold/plat/diamond is usually a macro issue. You can usually just get up to platinum with decent macro. The difference between levels of diamond are more to do with the complex things.
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On November 28 2010 09:43 uSnAmplified wrote:
judging if a player is good or not cant really be done straight off what league he is in, you can easily get low diamond off doing nothing but cheese and all-ins. People just have this idea that if they are diamond they are good, but you are better off getting there learning how play the game.
True, but in only works one way. Being in diamond doesn't mean you're good, but not being in diamond does mean you're not good.
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On November 28 2010 09:43 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:41 b_unnies wrote:On November 28 2010 09:35 OriginalBeast wrote:On November 28 2010 09:32 b_unnies wrote:
the only difference is better macro :| macro is important but the complexities of starcraft entail more than just macro. Of course there are other important areas, but they don't matter below diamond. Problem with all players below diamond is they spent too much time on non-macro related things. Not true from my custom games experience. A lot of players below diamond have as good macro as low diamond players, but lack good builds, game understanding or other things.
Good builds are part of macro. Honestly, saying that players below diamond have as good a macro as low diamond isnt really saying much because i would probably say half of all diamond players dont have good macro
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On November 28 2010 09:44 WeeKeong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 09:33 OriginalBeast wrote:On November 28 2010 09:29 Blademage wrote:
there is usually an overlap between leagues, sometimes high gold beat low to mid plat, high plat beat low diamond from what ive seen on ladder at least. Yeah, good point. But then how far ahead is a diamond player from a platinum player? because if I play like a platinum player should I really be getting owned by diamond. im not complaining about getting owned by them, thats what should happen undoubtedly. Perhaps gold is just a huge ways behind diamond, which again is ok. But i just dont know... If you want to know, stop customing and ladder more. Then you will be put in the league where you belong. Then you will know and you can continue customing.
I ladder ALL the time. I try to have a good mix, I definately have more 1v1 ladder games than custom games for sure. reguardless, not a topic about ladder; but with ladder rating in mind.
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