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THIS IS STUPID! People keep saying that it îs wrong to dowlnoad games.. Well, yes! When a game costs 60 bucks and your sallary îs 2000$, sure.. Fucking buy the game!!
However, Take Romania for example! The medium salary îs fucking 300 bucks, and the games STILL cost 60..
I bought sc2, because i want to play multiplayer, but i download a lot of games that i can play through hamachi or Garena..
It îs just not feasible to purchase every game i want to play here.. Plus, there îs no renting system for games. I don't want to spend 1/4 of my sallary to buy a game that i will play for 20 hours..
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On November 17 2010 04:15 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 04:11 Treemonkeys wrote:On November 17 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:On November 17 2010 04:02 Treemonkeys wrote:On November 17 2010 04:00 LittleAtari wrote: 3 million copies sold
2.5 million copies pirated......
2.5/3
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THAT IS A LOT. Come on guys. Really?
$150,000,000 worth of product stolen. Yet $0 in terms of lost inventory. Hmmm. It still means that the game could be sold more. Might not be as high as 2.5 but still it reduce the number of game being sold. And there's no guarantee that the games in the inventory would be sold. It could be that they will be sold all, some of them will be sold, or only a few of them will be sold in the future. Selling things in the present is still more important than relying on the future. There is also no guarantee that the people who downloaded the game would have purchased it if they download wasn't available. It's just an assumption that tries to predict human behavior. There are two types of pirate people who don't want their waste their money, is common in both 1 is don't want to spend money on crappy things 2 is just doesn't want to spend money on things. IE want something for nothing.
That is just an assumption, there are all kinds of pirates. Some people like to try before they buy. Some people like to just have it. I'm sure there are countless reasons to do something as easy as downloading a video game.
But honestly, who doesn't want something for nothing? When you see $5 on the sidewalk, do you think "fuck, DO NOT WANT, DID NOT EARN". Seriously.
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90% of pirates wouldnt buy the end product either way, by having them DL it, they are making free propaganda of your product and increasing the exposure to people who might actually buy one day.
Pirates help spread knowledge and culture to the less well off, without them, worldly progress would be slower, and more poor people would suffer without good TV shows, games, or even programs they use to do work like photoshop.
We need to support pirates daily, and help them make our world a better place, one illegal download at a time.
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On November 17 2010 04:15 Dagon wrote: THIS IS STUPID! People keep saying that it îs wrong to dowlnoad games.. Well, yes! When a game costs 60 bucks and your sallary îs 2000$, sure.. Fucking buy the game!!
However, Take Romania for example! The medium salary îs fucking 300 bucks, and the games STILL cost 60..
I bought sc2, because i want to play multiplayer, but i download a lot of games that i can play through hamachi or Garena..
It îs just not feasible to purchase every game i want to play here.. Plus, there îs no renting system for games. I don't want to spend 1/4 of my sallary to buy a game that i will play for 20 hours..
This is a good point, I used to pirate all the time when I was in high school and had no income. Yet some people will say this was "lost sales" when in reality I had no way of buying games.
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I bought it. Maybe shouldn't have because there is no lan and bnet is slow every single day and has really bad moments very often. Can't watch my matchup stats anywhere. Iccup works better.
So maybe many of the pirates just wanted to see if the campaign alone is worth paying for it before buying?
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I downloaded the client too sometimes. When I didn't yet have an account, you could watch replays with the client without having an account. I suppose that the large majority isn't pirating. Is there even the possibility to play the campaign offline? afaik there is no crack for SC2, especially not for playing multiplayer...
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Even ea actionvision and the biggies already said they dont care too much for piracy but for used games ... most people that pirate doesnt buy anyway ...
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On November 16 2010 12:10 DJ Roomba wrote: I bought the game, but can't play offline ftl. That post needs more attention. + Show Spoiler +
Post warning edit: Since you chose warn me for this "youtube comment" (that spoilered vid was obviously the most important part of my comment), I should probably add a little content. I just believe DJ Roomba brought up a important point regarding this issue. The fact that a cracked game has capabilities that the retail doesn't (except for being free of course) is something I've literally never seen from in an RTS game. Basically, Blizzard should be careful not to have superior cracked versions of their retail edition available for free download.
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Pirating is wrong. Having said that I'm still waiting for a group to release a multiplayer hack so that I and a whole slew of friends can play with minimal latency and without having to depend on the stability of our internet connection or that of Blizzard's servers. If you don't do it for your fans, Blizzard they'll turn to some hacking group and you'll lose face. Regulating how the lan portion is unlocked can filter out those who've pirated the games from the honest buyers.
iCCup has gone legit, they aren't looking to run a sc2 server. Someone else will carry the torch soon enough.
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This is what happens when you don't listen to the buyers, they don't buy it.
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Thats great! It means more people will buy the retail game.
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uh, how do they even play the campaign? don't you have to log into b.net even for single player?
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as far as I know the pirates bay version is no different than the free SC2 download on blizzards own site. both versions let you play the campaign for free, and require you to log onto bnet to play the multiplayer. so essentially the "pirates" are just "pirating" something they could've gotten for free, so it's not some moral dilemnia where we need a huge discussion about how wrong piracy is. I really hate these people who find every opportunity to bitch about piracy and act self rightous, like the guy who made this topic. seriously, your opinions don't matter and the arguements from both side are old and steril, why there is still such a big controversy over the matter is just dumbfounding to me.
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On November 17 2010 04:43 kariido wrote: Pirating is wrong. Having said that I'm still waiting for a group to release a multiplayer hack so that I and a whole slew of friends can play with minimal latency and without having to depend on the stability of our internet connection or that of Blizzard's servers. If you don't do it for your fans, Blizzard they'll turn to some hacking group and you'll lose face. Regulating how the lan portion is unlocked can filter out those who've pirated the games from the honest buyers.
iCCup has gone legit, they aren't looking to run a sc2 server. Someone else will carry the torch soon enough.
or friends being separated by region locking. its sad when legit customers are waiting for something like that though...
while i do want a regioneless hacked server to play with other legit users that bought the game, id rather blizzard just fix it themselves and save everyone the trouble. but i doubt ill ever get to play with my EU and korean friends legitimately with the current direction blizzard is going in regards to this issue though =/ even if had the money to buy several copies i still have no idea how i would get into the korean server especially if david kim cant get in lol...
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In my humble opinion, Internet Piracy - or file sharing as I would prefer to call it - should be put into a larger perspective. It seems to be easy to draw the conclusion that; "Stealing is wrong, don't steal, don't download!", but the obvious mistake is of course that the first is not the same crime as the last. A copy is just that, a copy.
The music and video history has a huge history of fighting against technology, the argument has always been the same; we lose sales! Some might remember the: "Home Taping Is Killing Music-campaign", did it? The fear is of course most about losing power, in a digital world, there is no longer a need for CD-distributors. Will artist survive? - Yes. Will the CD-industry? - perhaps not.
Internet is revolutionary in many ways, history might regard it in similar ways as we regard the printing press and the following "illumination". The essence of Internet is, and always has been, the sharing of information, thoughts and content. And yes, in many cases the information and content is copyrighted.
From a macroeconomic perspective, we should probably ask our self why we desire music, videos, games or culture in the first place? The consumption of culture, seems to be somewhat overlooked, imagine an endless bibliotech of music, videos and games at everyone's disposal, what is that if not welfare? Yes, there must probably be some incitement to create culture as well, and I do believe that there is and will be, copyright has a roll - for commercial purpose.
During the Napster era, CD sales were high, the correlation between file sharing of music and sales has not been proven, however I've seen research pointing at the opposite. I myself no longer download music, I stream it from the legal service Spotify and so does most of my friends, file sharing is not killing the music industry.
Blizzard is a company who haven't been fighting technology, nor should they. When you buy Starcraft 2, you are not really buying the game, but rather the license to play it, and for the service that they provide along with it. The smart move from Blizzard would be to try their best to improve these services as much as possible, that's what they sell, and that is what we pay for.
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On November 16 2010 12:13 Plexa wrote:I would bet that a number of those illegal downloads are actually people just annoyed with the speed of the blizzard dl 
Yup! 100%, I was away from my main computer (which meant no disc) and the blizz dl'er was slow as hell... So, i got a torrent and had it in ~1 hour!
EDIT: I think that this should be almost required reading whenever starting any piracy debate. http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works When I was trying to convince my friends to buy SC2, I told them to torrent it, and after they did, the almost immediately (the next day) told me they were picking it up by the end of the week...
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I downloaded the game from torent...i wanted to see what is like as i didn't play the beta.The only way i managed to play the game was to also download the crack...after playing about 1 hour of single player campaign i decided to buy it...i mostly wanted to see how it runs on my pc...
And yes people from countries with a medium income of more then 2000 dolars a month should spare the rest of the world from their judgment ..you are the minority in a very poor world, and no it's not because you work so hard to achieve that.
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I never downloaded Starcraft 2 illegally, I was happy with the "Beta" which I consider pretty much a demo, and was really excited about the game, so of course I went a spent 60 dollars on the game, this game I would be fine spending 120$ on. However for all of you saying that downloading games are "wrong" I kind of feel your being too harsh on people, without understanding the situation... there are plenty of times I've "downloaded" games just to see if I want to buy it. I don't have infinite income.. I will pay for something if I'm gonna spend time playing it, and Im going to get something out of it. This usually means multiplayer.. I rarely rarely care for single player/single player games so that isnt a problem for me, but I can see how some people might steal games and play through games...
Also, on another note, if i can get a lan version of SC2, I will get it, even if that means "Stealing" it.. I already payed for the game, I think its ridiculous I cant play lan.
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On November 17 2010 02:43 Dagobert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 23:40 misaTO wrote: Oh yeah, i forgot, retarded LANGUAGE POLICY. Can't play the game in english cuz blizzard thinks im an illiterate spic. Download the English version... log in, play... where's the prob?
There is no easy way to get a hard copy of the game in english in my country. Could have been easily solved with a built in language option as every modern game has.
On November 17 2010 04:15 Dagon wrote: THIS IS STUPID! People keep saying that it îs wrong to dowlnoad games.. Well, yes! When a game costs 60 bucks and your sallary îs 2000$, sure.. Fucking buy the game!!
However, Take Romania for example! The medium salary îs fucking 300 bucks, and the games STILL cost 60..
I bought sc2, because i want to play multiplayer, but i download a lot of games that i can play through hamachi or Garena..
It îs just not feasible to purchase every game i want to play here.. Plus, there îs no renting system for games. I don't want to spend 1/4 of my sallary to buy a game that i will play for 20 hours..
Also this.
In america for a minimum wage you can afford the game at 50 US dolars. Where i live, spending that % of a salary for a game doesn't allow you to spend any more money on leisure during the rest of the month. Of course, that is, if u still plan on eating.
I demand 2 things from blizzard. Higher Quality & Local prices.
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On November 17 2010 07:57 misaTO wrote: There is no easy way to get a hard copy of the game in english in my country. Could have been easily solved with a built in language option as every modern game has.
You're supposing the angry legion of 14 years olds Blizz' was aiming at with SC2 (from WOW) are smart enough to speak another language...
For instance on the EU version I frequently get raged at in obscure languages. That and the fact that the translations are friggin atrocious, as usual...
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