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On November 14 2010 12:18 Shirolol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 12:01 PROJECTILE wrote:
weather's great.
You obviously don't understand how competition works (and why sports are vastly more difficult than starcraft or any other game).
I'll give you a hint: the difficulty in almost any activity has little to do with the inherent difficulty of what that activity is. I'll let you find out on your own.
Until you figure out that bit of enlightening information, I will ignore your further posts. You didn't actually answer my questions, though. So i'll take that as a: you're a typical armchair intellectual who knows everything about everything - but actually has NOTHING to back up what you say. Weird how I got you SPOT ON with one guess isn't it? Almost like you are some kind of stereotype, I also could of guessed you were American just by reading your posts. Thanks for showing me how easy you people are to figure out.
Your questions are irrelevant to my post.
And the odds of you correctly guessing my personality are extremely slim, regardless of what personality metric you use  Nice (read: terrible) try, though.
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On November 14 2010 12:45 ceciljacobs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote:
Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. Gaming is also easier to have a passion for than other things because it is generally WAY more addicting. Mass gaming/training is 100x easier than seriously trying to train for a sport (at almost any level) or going into a very difficult field (graduate work in sciences/math), and if time was permitting I could totally sit down and play 8+ hours a day. It would be great if most people could find enjoyment in something that also is beneficial to society. Alas... ^idiot right here. has obviously never actually carried out anything of that which he so eloquently speaks. your speculations from a computer chair are oh so sage. mass gaming seems easier because you were probably exposed to it from a young age. ask somebody who was driven into a rigid life of exercise what they would find easier to practice. games don't cause any sort of chemical addiction. there's no bodily withdrawal when you stop gaming. it might find a niche in your daily life that you would struggle to plug, but that's about it. you might also be aware that endorphins are released during exercise. sound like a toasty incentive to you? people should do what they are passionate about. people are passionate about different things. passion is cultivated in so many different ways you couldn't even begin to understand. it's no where near as simple as, 'because playing games is fun for me, i will play games for a living'. if you were actually passionate about something, you might understand. oh alas... if only these sub-human peons would contribute to society like *I* do. i spread my wisdom and teach others how the world works. you'll snap out of this 'high and mighty' phase before long, don't worry.
^idiot right here. I have, thank you very much.
games are addicting. For proof of concept, take a look at MMORPGs, and how they give rewards out to players. However, I am still open to peer-reviewed journal articles that prove games have no addictive properties. However, currently there exists some evidence that video games certainly are addicting.
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All the arguing that happened/is happening in this thread is pointless.
It was an amazing speech by Junkka, I wish I would've stayed up for it but after game 7 I was beat. Its pretty amazing that he decided to say it, its not something you expect to hear watching a SC2 stream. He felt it was important to let people know how he felt and I'm glad he did. He's got a job he loves and wants people to share that same feeling, takes an amazing person to want to pass that along to thousands.
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On November 13 2010 21:43 Rflcrx wrote:
I think martin luther kings soul was reborn inside of john.
I HAVE A DREAM!!!!!!!!
Amen, Junkka brother! down with the materialistic and society status ideals!!!!!!
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Great little speech
thanks for it Junkka. I respect your work with GOM and message of that speech.
Ps. I didn't saw the speech but reading it was good way to start this day
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I think the way jon delivered it, and the timing of it was just gosu <3. i sure hope everyone realizes that you can replace "games" and "esports" with anything they love *(well up until the gomtv,tastelss, artosis, etc. supports you part lol). keep on truckin' gamers!
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I made that speech because that was how I felt. I heard producer say on my headphone "what the hell are you rambling about?".lol
As much I'm glad that many people like what I said I do not expect nor want everyone to agree to it. The message I was trying to give out is simple. It's your life so do what you feel is right and dont let anyone, including some crazy translator guy make you change your view. Although I made the speech relating to game and esports since I was inspired by nestea, I wasnt trying to say that one should give up education or do nothing but play game. We cant just have gamers, clowns, artists and rock stars. We need doctors, lawyers and politicians. Well maybe little less politicians. It's the very diversity of opinions, values and views that makes the world all the more interesting.
I have rambled on but I think Slayersboxer said all I wanted to say in his interview.
“If you find something you like just go all in and never look back”
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Moderation, as with everything, Junkka. Anyone thinking clearly should realize you'd agree as much  It's great hearing, though. It made me feel alot better about my recent educational switch -- do something you like, don't do something you're pressured to do. Be happy with your life.
Thanks, bud!
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Only idiots could get your speech in the wrong way Junkka, don't worry .
Jun-kyu fighting~!
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On November 14 2010 19:53 JunkkaGom wrote:
I made that speech because that was how I felt. I heard producer say on my headphone "what the hell are you rambling about?".lol
As much I'm glad that many people like what I said I do not expect nor want everyone to agree to it. The message I was trying to give out is simple. It's your life so do what you feel is right and dont let anyone, including some crazy translator guy make you change your view. Although I made the speech relating to game and esports since I was inspired by nestea, I wasnt trying to say that one should give up education or do nothing but play game. We cant just have gamers, clowns, artists and rock stars. We need doctors, lawyers and politicians. Well maybe little less politicians. It's the very diversity of opinions, values and views that makes the world all the more interesting.
I have rambled on but I think Slayersboxer said all I wanted to say in his interview.
“If you find something you like just go all in and never look back”
Don't worry dude. Only fools could take what you said negatively. You stuck your neck out to make a point, and the majority of us appreciate it. Keep up the great work!
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On November 14 2010 15:13 PROJECTILE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 12:45 ceciljacobs wrote:On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote:
Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. Gaming is also easier to have a passion for than other things because it is generally WAY more addicting. Mass gaming/training is 100x easier than seriously trying to train for a sport (at almost any level) or going into a very difficult field (graduate work in sciences/math), and if time was permitting I could totally sit down and play 8+ hours a day. It would be great if most people could find enjoyment in something that also is beneficial to society. Alas... ^idiot right here. has obviously never actually carried out anything of that which he so eloquently speaks. your speculations from a computer chair are oh so sage. mass gaming seems easier because you were probably exposed to it from a young age. ask somebody who was driven into a rigid life of exercise what they would find easier to practice. games don't cause any sort of chemical addiction. there's no bodily withdrawal when you stop gaming. it might find a niche in your daily life that you would struggle to plug, but that's about it. you might also be aware that endorphins are released during exercise. sound like a toasty incentive to you? people should do what they are passionate about. people are passionate about different things. passion is cultivated in so many different ways you couldn't even begin to understand. it's no where near as simple as, 'because playing games is fun for me, i will play games for a living'. if you were actually passionate about something, you might understand. oh alas... if only these sub-human peons would contribute to society like *I* do. i spread my wisdom and teach others how the world works. you'll snap out of this 'high and mighty' phase before long, don't worry. ^idiot right here. I have, thank you very much. games are addicting. For proof of concept, take a look at MMORPGs, and how they give rewards out to players. However, I am still open to peer-reviewed journal articles that prove games have no addictive properties. However, currently there exists some evidence that video games certainly are addicting.
Whether or not computer games are addicting or not is rather irrelevent in the matter given that physical sports also has a state of "reward to the players" in terms of endorphins and hormons.
Just wanted to point that out.
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On November 14 2010 15:13 PROJECTILE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 12:45 ceciljacobs wrote:On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote:
Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. Gaming is also easier to have a passion for than other things because it is generally WAY more addicting. Mass gaming/training is 100x easier than seriously trying to train for a sport (at almost any level) or going into a very difficult field (graduate work in sciences/math), and if time was permitting I could totally sit down and play 8+ hours a day. It would be great if most people could find enjoyment in something that also is beneficial to society. Alas... ^idiot right here. has obviously never actually carried out anything of that which he so eloquently speaks. your speculations from a computer chair are oh so sage. mass gaming seems easier because you were probably exposed to it from a young age. ask somebody who was driven into a rigid life of exercise what they would find easier to practice. games don't cause any sort of chemical addiction. there's no bodily withdrawal when you stop gaming. it might find a niche in your daily life that you would struggle to plug, but that's about it. you might also be aware that endorphins are released during exercise. sound like a toasty incentive to you? people should do what they are passionate about. people are passionate about different things. passion is cultivated in so many different ways you couldn't even begin to understand. it's no where near as simple as, 'because playing games is fun for me, i will play games for a living'. if you were actually passionate about something, you might understand. oh alas... if only these sub-human peons would contribute to society like *I* do. i spread my wisdom and teach others how the world works. you'll snap out of this 'high and mighty' phase before long, don't worry. ^idiot right here. I have, thank you very much. games are addicting. For proof of concept, take a look at MMORPGs, and how they give rewards out to players. However, I am still open to peer-reviewed journal articles that prove games have no addictive properties. However, currently there exists some evidence that video games certainly are addicting.
My heroin is insulted by this and want an apology.
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Also have that as my background now. I'ts a cool pic and good speech
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Junkka you are such a hero!
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On November 13 2010 21:43 Rflcrx wrote:
I think martin luther kings soul was reborn inside of john.
Either you are sarcastic, or that is the most juvenile and immature analogy ihve ever heard about esports.
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On November 14 2010 23:01 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:43 Rflcrx wrote:
I think martin luther kings soul was reborn inside of john. Either you are sarcastic, or that is the most juvenile and immature analogy ihve ever heard about esports.
No literally Martin Luther King was reborn into Junnka and they now share a soul and they can switch between the two perrsonalities at will. Lätta upp lite för tusan.
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It was indeed heart warming. John is awesome.
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On November 14 2010 14:56 ace246 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 04:31 FrostOtter wrote:On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote:
Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. . No they don't. Those positions are just as culturally constructed as "progaming," they are just accepted by the national/international community as being essentially. If all the lawyers, CEOs, and other office jobs disappeared tonight, humanity would continue on as it has for thousands of years. The fact is that many people don't seem to realize that the professions we hold in esteem today were considered trash in the past (see lawyers, actors, etc.). 90 percent of the jobs today (especially in America, the land where nothing is manufactured anymore) are as artificial and unessential as anything creative or resulting from the advanced technology and standards of living we have today. The stock market, for instance, is an entire industry (encompassing the other industries) based on trading imaginary bits of paper that are worth an amount of other imaginary bits of paper that have value because people have decided that they have value; despite the apparent wealth and glamor of the successful stock traders/hedge fund people/ etc., they useless, except in the way that we have given them use through rationalizing their existence. So let's just rationalize progaming as being useful. If all the lawyers, CEOs, and other office jobs disappeared tonight, we would have the biggest global depression ever. Our economy would go down the drains, but if sc2 progaming was to dissappear, it wouldn't matter much to the world, (apart from the fanboys who enjoy progame scene but they are a minority)
And what is a global depression than the devaluing of culturally constructed currency that never had any inherent value to begin with. The economy would suffer because our economy is built upon jobs that exist more or less for there to be jobs; CEOs are not vital to human existence, clerks are not vital to human existence, tech writers, secretaries, programmers, analysts, HR trainers, etc.-- all of these are completely arbitrary positions, positions that the human race has endured without for thousands of years and relied on for only the last few decades.
My point is not that CEOs or whatever don't have their place (however imaginary that place may be), but rather that "don't contribute to society" is a pretty broad umbrella that covers 90 percent of today's jobs. Money passing hands doesn't contribute to society any more than progaming does-- in fact, as falling under the heading of entertainment, progaming at least has the ephemeral ability to provide joy to people, while in my experience money is far less likely to do so on a day to day basis.
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On November 14 2010 15:13 PROJECTILE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 12:45 ceciljacobs wrote:On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote:
Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. Gaming is also easier to have a passion for than other things because it is generally WAY more addicting. Mass gaming/training is 100x easier than seriously trying to train for a sport (at almost any level) or going into a very difficult field (graduate work in sciences/math), and if time was permitting I could totally sit down and play 8+ hours a day. It would be great if most people could find enjoyment in something that also is beneficial to society. Alas... ^idiot right here. has obviously never actually carried out anything of that which he so eloquently speaks. your speculations from a computer chair are oh so sage. mass gaming seems easier because you were probably exposed to it from a young age. ask somebody who was driven into a rigid life of exercise what they would find easier to practice. games don't cause any sort of chemical addiction. there's no bodily withdrawal when you stop gaming. it might find a niche in your daily life that you would struggle to plug, but that's about it. you might also be aware that endorphins are released during exercise. sound like a toasty incentive to you? people should do what they are passionate about. people are passionate about different things. passion is cultivated in so many different ways you couldn't even begin to understand. it's no where near as simple as, 'because playing games is fun for me, i will play games for a living'. if you were actually passionate about something, you might understand. oh alas... if only these sub-human peons would contribute to society like *I* do. i spread my wisdom and teach others how the world works. you'll snap out of this 'high and mighty' phase before long, don't worry. ^idiot right here. I have, thank you very much. games are addicting. For proof of concept, take a look at MMORPGs, and how they give rewards out to players. However, I am still open to peer-reviewed journal articles that prove games have no addictive properties. However, currently there exists some evidence that video games certainly are addicting.
Try this one, then:
Wan, C. S., et. al., "The Motivations of Adolescents Who Are Addicted to Online Games: A Cognitive Perspective". Adolescence v. 42 (Spring 2007) p. 179-97
They find that, while extrinsic (achievements, rewards, etc.) characteristics of games may exacerbate a condition, intrinsic (addictive personality, stuff like that) characteristics are the main factor behind video game addiction, and that if a game is completely devoid of extrinsic influence the intrinsic factors will fill in the gaps-- aka if they weren't addicted to WoW they'd be addicted to Pong, and if Pong didn't exist they would be addicted to sex or drugs or whatever. Point being that they would be addicted to something. So, there's your peer reviewed study.
"Internet addiction is very likely a reflection of poor adjustment or psychological problems in real life (Chen, 1998)"
"In general, when the rewards of online games were set at low expectancy, low relevance, intangibility, and contingency, participants who imagined themselves as game players exhibited higher intrinsic motivation over extrinsic motivation than when the rewards were set at high expectancy, high relevance, tangibility, and noncontingency."
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Your single most significant contribution to society, lies in this speech, be happy and experience joy. Simple concept, yet many would rather hang on to their ego and the expectations of others.
We are all different, I my self, do not want to be a pro gamer, I am following my intuition on what I want to be doing. Nothing puts a bigger smile on me then seeing others experience joy.
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