EPTOn November 14 2010 07:13 Fa1nT wrote:
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Cade
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Ko1tz
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Junkka spoke words of wisdom! | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On November 14 2010 06:21 JoeSchmoe wrote: you're a fucking idiot aren't you? my dad is a lawyer and the reason he became one was because in his best friend was framed for 2nd degree assault he never committed. In fact he was with my dad at the time but somehow the system found the evidence insubstantial and he couldn't afford a lawyer. He served 7 years. Go take a look in the mirror before you start calling people trash. So what? The fact that your dad's friend ('s college roommate's brother's cousin's dog?) couldn't afford a lawyer is a testament to the fact that lawyers are overpaid and useless, and should return to their former status of being affordable and knowing their place in society. | ||
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kvn4444
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PROJECTILE
United States226 Posts
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Shirolol
England504 Posts
On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote: Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. Gaming is also easier to have a passion for than other things because it is generally WAY more addicting. Mass gaming/training is 100x easier than seriously trying to train for a sport (at almost any level) or going into a very difficult field (graduate work in sciences/math), and if time was permitting I could totally sit down and play 8+ hours a day. It would be great if most people could find enjoyment in something that also is beneficial to society. Alas... So how's the weather up there on your pedestal, along with your 8 figure salary that you get for helping the less fortunate people on the earth?.. Can you give me some AKAs please of your gaming career so I can take a look at your experience with the top level of a seriously competitive game - just so I can clarify that what you claim to be fact you can back up with experience. I mean, you can't just make sweeping statements about the difficulty of something without actually EVER being in the situation... Right? That would just mean you're talking total bullshit, and you wouldn't be doing that now would you!? And also, what sports have you played at an international level - so we can compare your experiences as a pro-gamer to your experiences of a pro-athelete and come to our own conclusions, thanks a lot. | ||
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PROJECTILE
United States226 Posts
On November 14 2010 08:07 Shirolol wrote: So how's the weather up there on your pedestal, along with your 8 figure salary that you get for helping the less fortunate people on the earth?.. Can you give me some AKAs please of your gaming career so I can take a look at your experience with the top level of a seriously competitive game - just so I can clarify that what you claim to be fact you can back up with experience. I mean, you can't just make sweeping statements about the difficulty of something without actually EVER being in the situation... Right? That would just mean you're talking total bullshit, and you wouldn't be doing that now would you!? And also, what sports have you played at an international level - so we can compare your experiences as a pro-gamer to your experiences of a pro-athelete and come to our own conclusions, thanks a lot. weather's great. You obviously don't understand how competition works (and why sports are vastly more difficult than starcraft or any other game). I'll give you a hint: the difficulty in almost any activity has little to do with the inherent difficulty of what that activity is. I'll let you find out on your own. Until you figure out that bit of enlightening information, I will ignore your further posts. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On November 14 2010 12:01 PROJECTILE wrote: weather's great. You obviously don't understand how competition works (and why sports are vastly more difficult than starcraft or any other game). I'll give you a hint: the difficulty in almost any activity has little to do with the inherent difficulty of what that activity is. I'll let you find out on your own. Until you figure out that bit of enlightening information, I will ignore your further posts. Sports are games dude. | ||
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Shirolol
England504 Posts
On November 14 2010 12:01 PROJECTILE wrote: weather's great. You obviously don't understand how competition works (and why sports are vastly more difficult than starcraft or any other game). I'll give you a hint: the difficulty in almost any activity has little to do with the inherent difficulty of what that activity is. I'll let you find out on your own. Until you figure out that bit of enlightening information, I will ignore your further posts. You didn't actually answer my questions, though. So i'll take that as a: you're a typical armchair intellectual who knows everything about everything - but actually has NOTHING to back up what you say. Weird how I got you SPOT ON with one guess isn't it? Almost like you are some kind of stereotype, I also could of guessed you were American just by reading your posts. Thanks for showing me how easy you people are to figure out. | ||
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daffodil
Australia109 Posts
On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote: Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. Gaming is also easier to have a passion for than other things because it is generally WAY more addicting. Mass gaming/training is 100x easier than seriously trying to train for a sport (at almost any level) or going into a very difficult field (graduate work in sciences/math), and if time was permitting I could totally sit down and play 8+ hours a day. It would be great if most people could find enjoyment in something that also is beneficial to society. Alas... ^idiot right here. has obviously never actually carried out anything of that which he so eloquently speaks. your speculations from a computer chair are oh so sage. mass gaming seems easier because you were probably exposed to it from a young age. ask somebody who was driven into a rigid life of exercise what they would find easier to practice. games don't cause any sort of chemical addiction. there's no bodily withdrawal when you stop gaming. it might find a niche in your daily life that you would struggle to plug, but that's about it. you might also be aware that endorphins are released during exercise. sound like a toasty incentive to you? people should do what they are passionate about. people are passionate about different things. passion is cultivated in so many different ways you couldn't even begin to understand. it's no where near as simple as, 'because playing games is fun for me, i will play games for a living'. if you were actually passionate about something, you might understand. oh alas... if only these sub-human peons would contribute to society like *I* do. i spread my wisdom and teach others how the world works. you'll snap out of this 'high and mighty' phase before long, don't worry. | ||
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DaRkFrosT
United States407 Posts
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Teim
Australia373 Posts
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Rullator
Sweden1 Post
E-sports is an entertainment business, just like "insert any pro league of any sport" is. And if they can entertain just one single person on the entire planet then they have succeeded in their goal to bring entertainment to the viewer(although a bigger crowd is definitely more ideal). As far as Junkka himself is concerned. I personally have a lot of respect for him, not because he saves kittens from trees or puts bad guys in jail, but because he can truly say that he loves his job and is proud of his contribution to the e-sports scene. | ||
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SeRenExZerg
United States401 Posts
"there is nothing cooler than being proud of doing what you love" I couldn't agree more. Awesome speech, Junkka! | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 14 2010 02:32 Skeyser wrote: lol lawyers, all they do is help criminals escape justice That doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen every now and then. But you gotta realise that our law system isn't perfect but the lawyers, judges etc do their best to make it as righteous as possible. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On November 14 2010 07:56 PROJECTILE wrote: Pursuing what you enjoy and find value you in is an important lesson (and supported by psychology studies that measure levels of happiness). But the implicit support for people to just "do what you want" is pretty naive, and it certainly won't come with good consequences for most. While this is technically true, you're barking up the wrong tree. There were many times in my life where I was told that what I was doing was the "wrong" way and that I would never get very far with my passions in life (these are not even esports related). I was smart enough to ignore them and do what I thought was right. Over the last 15 years I've built a pretty successful business out of it, on my terms. While this certainly doesn't apply to everyone, what Junkka said is right (and goes beyond gaming). Shoot for your dreams. You never know unless you try. All you're doing is asking people to give up before they even do so. That's not constructive in the slightest. | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 14 2010 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote: lol what about Actors and rock stars they aren't saving lives? Other athletes the same thing but none of them are considered a waste in society and get paid tons of money to boot. why should some talentless disney bimbo get more money and respect for singing some shitty auto tune song then a pro gamer gets for winning a game? Because SC2 is only half as difficult as BW and no one is ranting about how BW progamers deserve the recognition as actors,athletes, etc. This whole idea of SC2 progamers being underrated for devoting their life to game is instigated by people who are biased to sc2, but claim righteous. I do think maybe in the future, when gsl isn't accessible to some journalist that plays sc2 as a hobby, sc2 progamers should deserve recognition as those actors and rockstars. | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 14 2010 04:31 FrostOtter wrote: No they don't. Those positions are just as culturally constructed as "progaming," they are just accepted by the national/international community as being essentially. If all the lawyers, CEOs, and other office jobs disappeared tonight, humanity would continue on as it has for thousands of years. The fact is that many people don't seem to realize that the professions we hold in esteem today were considered trash in the past (see lawyers, actors, etc.). 90 percent of the jobs today (especially in America, the land where nothing is manufactured anymore) are as artificial and unessential as anything creative or resulting from the advanced technology and standards of living we have today. The stock market, for instance, is an entire industry (encompassing the other industries) based on trading imaginary bits of paper that are worth an amount of other imaginary bits of paper that have value because people have decided that they have value; despite the apparent wealth and glamor of the successful stock traders/hedge fund people/ etc., they useless, except in the way that we have given them use through rationalizing their existence. So let's just rationalize progaming as being useful. If all the lawyers, CEOs, and other office jobs disappeared tonight, we would have the biggest global depression ever. Our economy would go down the drains, but if sc2 progaming was to dissappear, it wouldn't matter much to the world, (apart from the fanboys who enjoy progame scene but they are a minority) | ||
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