EPT[Spoilers] Junkka's Epic Speech - Page 15
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famz
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Eleclight
Finland70 Posts
On November 14 2010 01:37 Quasimodo wrote: This needs to be made into a wallpaper. Would make the December wallpaper thread kinda boring, but thats the price we pay for having a genius like Junkka in the community. Some guy on /v/ actually did make one: http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/447/junkkawpx.png | ||
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Confuse
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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Quasimodo
Norway84 Posts
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:01 butchji wrote: Stop with that PHD bullshit it was just a random achievement you can get far with in life... just replace it with anything else highly accepted by the society and/or gives you a lot of money. Anyone who thinks PhDs make any money is either 12 or trolling. PhDs in the hard sciences could possibly make money if they don't go the academic route, but not more money than someone with half the education could make. PhDs aren't even highly respected, really, because there is (at least in America) the idea that they aren't "real" doctors (in that they don't practice medicine). Source: Future PhD, current graduate student | ||
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ALPINA
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It's not like you were learning math 20 hours a day to get a diploma in the university or training whole day in the gym to break record or something. It's just a video game and playing it a lot does not require much will or "courage" for most of us. | ||
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Confuse
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On November 14 2010 04:24 Alpina wrote: Well I disagree about such thing that Nestea had great courage or something like that. It does not require much will to play video games, and everyone who loves SC2 could play it for hours and hours, but the problem is the most people does not have time for that, and there is more important things in life. It's not like you were learning math 20 hours a day to get a diploma in the university or training whole day in the gym to break record or something. It's just a video game and playing it a lot does not require much will for most of us. ... i don't know if you're trolling or not :/ playing to train competitively is quite different from casually gaming for 10-15 hours if you have "nothing to do". ... | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote: Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. . No they don't. Those positions are just as culturally constructed as "progaming," they are just accepted by the national/international community as being essentially. If all the lawyers, CEOs, and other office jobs disappeared tonight, humanity would continue on as it has for thousands of years. The fact is that many people don't seem to realize that the professions we hold in esteem today were considered trash in the past (see lawyers, actors, etc.). 90 percent of the jobs today (especially in America, the land where nothing is manufactured anymore) are as artificial and unessential as anything creative or resulting from the advanced technology and standards of living we have today. The stock market, for instance, is an entire industry (encompassing the other industries) based on trading imaginary bits of paper that are worth an amount of other imaginary bits of paper that have value because people have decided that they have value; despite the apparent wealth and glamor of the successful stock traders/hedge fund people/ etc., they useless, except in the way that we have given them use through rationalizing their existence. So let's just rationalize progaming as being useful. | ||
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ALPINA
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On November 14 2010 04:29 Confuse wrote: ... i don't know if you're trolling or not :/ playing to train competitively is quite different from casually gaming for 10-15 hours if you have "nothing to do". ... Maybe there is little difference but I don't think there is much in terms of difficulty. I mean you still need to sit and play. | ||
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
On November 14 2010 04:24 Alpina wrote: Well I disagree about such thing that Nestea had great courage or something like that. It does not require much will to play video games, and everyone who loves SC2 could play it for hours and hours, but the problem is the most people does not have time for that, and there is more important things in life. It's not like you were learning math 20 hours a day to get a diploma in the university or training whole day in the gym to break record or something. It's just a video game and playing it a lot does not require much will or "courage" for most of us. Although you are pretty much wrong on everything you wrote, I'm going to ignore that and instead point out that you missed the entire point of the speech. He doesn't have courage because he played the game and trained like every other pro gamer (although that certainly isn't "lol you casually play videogames", it's alot harder than you seem to think). He had courage because he is 29 years old. He trained hard for 10 years playing starcraft while everyone around him said he was wasting his time. Like John said, even in Korea it isn't deemed normal to focus so much on a career as a pro gamer. People probably told him he was too old, as they believe after you hit about 24 your career as a gamer is over, but he kept playing. He did what he enjoyed and trained hard because he felt he could still win, even though people told him he was wasting his time. When everyone around you is telling you you are wasting time, even laughing at you, and you can ignore them and keep training and focusing on what you enjoy, eventually winning the GSL. THAT is what takes courage. | ||
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ALPINA
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On November 14 2010 04:40 Sakarabu wrote: Although you are pretty much wrong on everything you wrote, I'm going to ignore that and instead point out that you missed the entire point of the speech. He doesn't have courage because he played the game and trained like every other pro gamer (although that certainly isn't "lol you casually play videogames", it's alot harder than you seem to think). He had courage because he is 29 years old. He trained hard for 10 years playing starcraft while everyone around him said he was wasting his time. Like John said, even in Korea it isn't deemed normal to focus so much on a career as a pro gamer. People probably told him he was too old, as they believe after you hit about 24 your career as a gamer is over, but he kept playing. He did what he enjoyed and trained hard because he felt he could still win, even though people told him he was wasting his time. When everyone around you is telling you you are wasting time, even laughing at you, and you can ignore them and keep training and focusing on what you enjoy, eventually winning the GSL. THAT is what takes courage. Yeah you are right I missed a point a little bit. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Don't believe in yourself, believe in us who believe in you!!! | ||
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GiftPflanZe
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
On November 14 2010 05:11 adeezy wrote: Ahh I enjoyed the thread but I couldn't help read the arguments of butchji. He's right but he's going about it a very narcissicist way. Not just anyone should go after being a pro gamer I get it but to compare it to the highest paying jobs etc. There's no point. True. But I doubt John meant "EVERYONE SHOULD GO TRY AND BE A PROGAMER NOW". He just meant, in general, you have to be happy with what you are doing in life. Do something because YOU want to, not because someone told you to do it. It wasn't even about becoming a pro gamer, which seems to be what everyone is focusing on. The whole point of the speech was that you shouldn't let other people dictate what you do in life. Be happy with who you are, and try and find something you really love doing. If you can combine something you love with your work then you are going to be a very happy person. I think people are totally overreacted with the whole "OMG EVERYONE IS GOING TO RUIN THEIR LIVES NOW AND TRY AND BECOME PRO", come on give us some credit, i'm sure people are smart enough that they know when they are good enough to be pro or not. If they are high skilled, are placing high in alot of online tournaments etc and in the back of their minds they think they have the willpower and dedication to become pro then they can take it slow, they don't have to suddenly drop out of University so they can practice. If they are making some money and join a team, and start doing well, THEN they can make the decision on what steps they want to take in regards to taking it up full time. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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TymerA
Netherlands759 Posts
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Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever.
