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This is close to the best if not the best pausing system. If you have a problem it is your fault. Your opponent is not obligated to have his/her game interrupted for any amount of time for you to fix it. Out of about 1100 games played I've had only one game where an opponent paused for a legit reason. The amount of games that have been paused for bad/troll reasons is probably in the single digits for me, but if a 30 second you-have-to-wait-pause that number would skyrocket.
On November 13 2010 13:57 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Give everyone 10 pauses/month or a number proportional to your play time. Once you use it, gives you 20-30 seconds pause time. Your opponent cannot resume. It automatically resumes after the 20-30 seconds so you cannot pull some gay shit as well. Sure you can be a ass and abuse by pausing before you lose but that uses up your quota for the month. Btw this should not carry over and only works on ladder. You cannot "acrue" pause points.
This idea is almost completely retarded. Please stop having opinions apply more thought before posting. Personally I still have yet to need to pause a game, so now I have X amount of free troll pauses to inconvenience people with. Pure genius. Your system fails its goal because the system will automatically unpause anyway even if the opponent was going to honor the pause. If you can't fix the problem/go to the bathroom/whatever in that 20-30 seconds you're out of luck. Your system would also cause more "gay shit" than it fixes.
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If you can find out that guy's TL id, send the replay to Chill and ask him to ban him. Chill really hates unpause abusers!
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I've already seen a good working pause function in Heroes of Newerth. Each team (1v1, 2v2, doesnt matter) gets 3 pauses a game, each pause has a 1 minute lock on it. After that 1 minute is up the opposing team may unpause the game.
No, we don't actually need 3 pauses or the full minute, but this makes it so that if you must pause for something, at least you know the minimum amount of time you have and so you are not completely at the mercy of someone who doesn't care to wait for you.
I have not yet had this happen to me, but I still agree with the OP. The current pause system is based purely on the honor system. Considering blizzards track record with cracking down on "discouraged" behavior, you'd think this would be something that they were concerned is being abused, regardless of how insignificant and rare it is.
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Why not change it so there's actually an official request form, from the game it self? If the player accepts the pause request, a pause will occur lasting for 20 seconds. Showing the timer until the game resumes.
I really don't see why a system like that is out of the question. Really it would just take the deception out of the question, so that a player can't manipulate the situation.
If a player denies you a pause, too bad.
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Blizzard should just add a "Ask for a 1 minute unresumable pause" button. Problem solved!
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Just give each player 2 pauses of 1 minute or so. Like it was in q3a (memory is kinda failing me atm)
It worked pretty well imo.
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Whenever someone pauses without saying anything I wait about 10seconds and ask whats up, if they ask for a tiny break then sure, ill wait 30-60 seconds.
however, some people have actually been abusing this so I've been thinking about just unpausing a few seconds in, sometimes when I unpause they have already left the game and I've been waiting there like a tard. (this links in with if I'm winning and they pause I unpause earlier.)
it feels super cheap unpausing early, but I've been seeing people do this more often now :/
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best would be a consensual pause for a set amount of time from in game
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There's always going to be that asshole / douchebag that will unpause it the moment he can.
For the most part it works and there is no reason to change it. It's just that we tend to remember that asshole who unpaused it more than the person who didn't, so it gets vocalized more and the problem seems larger than it actually is.
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It is pretty easy to solve this. A request button that asks the opponent for a pause for a range of different times (10 sec ~ 5 mins?). If he agrees and selects on the option, you get an un-resumable pause for that length of time. After that either can resume.
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It sucks that he was such a dick about it, but I don't really think that there should be anything done about it.
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There should be a time limit and the other player shouldn't be able to unpause. Just make it something short like a minute. If you can't solve the problem you're pausing for within a minute, you should surrender. The way it is now is retarded. I don't feel good when I have to unpause a game because the dude is taking over five minutes to return.
BTW. How the hell do you chat while paused? Enter doesn't do anything.
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Keep the system,
Ive had one other guy that unpaused 2 while I had to go to the toilet. I just threw the game away and surrendered and thanked him for the waste of time.
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The only possible system is something where you request the pause, then if your opponent accepts they can't unpause for a minute or something.
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this is exactly what i mean by Battlenet 2.0 being a step back from its predecessors.
In WC3, wasn't there a time limit on how long you could pause each time? I remember it being 2 mins, and from then on, yr opponent could then resume. In that 2 mins tho, yr opponent couldn't unpause.
Isn't that a much better system than currently?
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Its your own fault that you laddered unprepared. People that wont pause for you are usually bad mannered dicks but thats their choice and its understandable.
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I've had to pause the game a few times to answer the door / phone and people have always been ok as long as you say what you're doing.
People have paused on me, and if they say why ill be happy with it, if they don't ill wait for a reasonable length of time.
Only once have I unpaused, that was when some guy just paused while he was flying his CC off and had no base (i had air units), he was just being a douche.
The system is fine as it is, at least in Europe people are generally well mannered, but what else could you do? A system which pauses for a fixed amount of time would be abused by BM losers and while 30s wouldnt matter much in 1 game if people start doing it all the time it would get very frustrating.
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On November 13 2010 14:42 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 12:59 Fa1nT wrote:On November 13 2010 12:54 hefty wrote:
EDIT: Don't like Blizzard's pausing idea? Well, what do you want from them, a pause your opponent cant resume on? If you want to avoid this altogether you have to fix your system beforehand to avoid lag. You have no right to complain, really. Sure. A say.... 30 second pause that the other person cannot un-pause, that you can only do once per match. Would that be so big a problem? Is your 30 seconds so important to you? Yes and it would be very annoying when the player that loses pauses the game like a douche because he lost. Players right now sometimes pause when they lose (dunno why) so they would do this too annoy you.
So? they can also fly into a corner of the map for 3 minutes while you tech to air units, blizzard has not removed that BS yet, whats your point?
People abuse everything, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
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Pausing is fine, it's a privilege if your opponent allows it. With pausing timers all the newbs and lamers on bnet would manner pause when they lost, it would become extremely annoying.
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On November 13 2010 20:09 Exathor wrote:
this is exactly what i mean by Battlenet 2.0 being a step back from its predecessors.
In WC3, wasn't there a time limit on how long you could pause each time? I remember it being 2 mins, and from then on, yr opponent could then resume. In that 2 mins tho, yr opponent couldn't unpause.
Isn't that a much better system than currently?
This is incorrect. The War3 pausing system is identical to SC2's.
The pausing system is fine as is. If you need to pause you are inconveniencing your opponent. If you are polite and request to pause people tend to be understanding. It is then your responsibilty to be FAST. If you have a phone call that you need to take, or someone is at the door, you should leave. This is the polite thing to do.
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