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On November 13 2010 13:05 storm44 wrote:
So you want to change how battle.net works over one game you had where someone unpaused and lost 10 points? Doesn't seem very reasonable to me. Being able to pause is a courtesy, how would you like it if during a middle of a battle you just pause just to annoy the other guy or pause before you ragequit. It will easily be abused, the way it works currently is fine.
Wasn't there a time before people could unpause in SC1? I realize people abuse it but a small timer would be nice. If nothing else, at least 1 minute for the first pause and no time for the next 2.
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It's interesting that a community that is bat-shit insane about "manners" are too impatient to wait 30 seconds for someones pause.
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The pausing system is fine. Anything with out the opponent being able to unpause is too abusable.
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i would like a short countdown if the game starts again?!
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On November 13 2010 23:29 Fa1nT wrote:
It's interesting that a community that is bat-shit insane about "manners" are too impatient to wait 30 seconds for someones pause.
Well, the "problem" is that "the community" consists of more more than one player and therefor there are more than one opinion. Some like bm, some hate bm, some don't care, some are stressful about their freetime and want to play as much as possible whilst other can wait for more than a couple of minutes for a stranger on bnet.
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A one time pause is a good idea. What they did (or still do) in HoN (Heroes of Newerth, back when I played) is that everybody in the game got a chance to pause for 60 seconds which the opposing team could not change. After this period, anybody in the game could unpause. This was useful for disconnects, and I'm surprised that SC2 doesn't have a 're-connect' function either.
Obviously we're talking about 2 different games, (in HoN, losing a teammate is detrimental and at higher levels, completely decimates your hopes of winning) but the idea is good. Having a one-time pause per game to ensure fairness. After all, we're keeping score here. Yes there may be abuse, but if the opponent has nothing better to do with their time than waste yours, then can't you laugh it off? I'm sure most people we play aren't completely bad mannered and will GG out as soon as they realise there is nothing to play for anymore.
And to those that oppose the idea, why? Are you so obsessed with 30-60 seconds out of a (average length) 15+ minute game? Or are you just the type of person to pick a free win over good manner? That's more than shameful on your part imo.
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can't it be a timed pause where you only have X amount of time where your opponent can't unpause? i don't see whats so hard about this, and if you need additional time either hope your opponent doesn't BM you or use up another pause, make it something like 30 seconds or a minute for each pause
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On November 13 2010 13:21 Ixas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 13:05 average650 wrote:
Why don't they do a system like madden where you have 3 pauses for like 30 seconds or something. That way you can pause, but you can't drive everyone insane with pausing.
Seems simply enough to me. Imagine having to wait for 90s before you win. This system is bound to be abused and be irritating as hell.
90s isn't that long. If it affects you too much they could easily lower the duration to 20s. Why have pause in the game if you don't use it because your afraid they will unpause?
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I've had many instances when I needed to pause for 10 seconds to answer the door, asked if I could please pause for 10 seconds, and then come back to find he resumed. I've never paused for longer than 10 seconds, but have had many a game ruined because of this. I'd say 6-8 games.
I think the real question is, why would anyone do this? Is it fun to play against someone you know is afk? Whenever anyone does this, I usually float all my buildings over to his base so he can kill them more easily, then question his ability to compete on a normal level.
How about a separate 10 or 12 second pause for each player, that even gives the opponent a heads up countdown or something? I want something that's quick, easy to access (having to type "may I pls paus for 2 secs?" and then wait for the reply can be hard sometimes) but also fair for everyone.
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I don't know about you guys but I've basically never had anyone do that to me and I don't think it happens particularily often. I'd definetly be more bothered by a '30 second timeout' which you cannot unpause. Basically everytime you play 4v4 with your friends and stomp some people your going to have to wait 2 minutes just to win the game, in addition to them kiting with command centres etc? (Yes, this happens each and every game).
If you're worried about things like this you should check your internet before you start playing.
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It's fine the way it is. Sure there will be some assholes who will resume the game before you're ready but for the most part people have good enough manners that they'll wait.
One time my keyboard just stopped working completely and I had the game paused for like 3 minutes without a reason (because I couldn't type obviously). Still the guy kept waiting until I could find a new keyboard.
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If your shit breaks down or you need to go to the bathroom, then either just gg or play with the disadvantage. I've had computer problems before but didn't pause for it. I just sucked it up because I don't like people wasting my time and I don't like wasting other people's time.
This guy was a dick for pretending he would wait, but to change the pause system so that people can waste other people's time is lame. Your pause is on the other players' good graces. You don't have a right to waste someone's time just because you can't handle losing one game on ladder.
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Everyone keeps saying "it's up to the other person so why change the system" thats exactly why, if they say that it's fine then let me pause the game but don't screw me for trusting that when he says thats fine, that I will have the 20 seconds to fix the lag. Also it's not like lag only screws one person, you both have to deal with the lag.
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If you lag its your own fault not everyone wants to wait for a pause not knowing how long this will be. It throws me off my game if there is a pause. I like how it is. If i am tiered of waiting i should be able to unpause.
Maybe if the other player has to accept the pause then if its accepted your forced to w8 for 30 sec. If that was there then if the game is over the people cant just pause and make you wait if you dont want to.
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I had a similar situation except it was the complete opposite. We start the 1v1, guy quits one minute in and I message him after "why'd you quit bro? you could've just paused it" and he raged haha.
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The system is fine as it is, might not be perfect, but forced pauses of any sort would annoy the shit out of me.
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There will always be douchebags, and in my experience douchy people seem to be bad mannered in every aspect of their life.
The people who abuse unpausing are likely the same people that stick their gum in random public places or pass by a long line of cars at an exit and then try to merge at the last second. Basically, these people will always make enemies but it's their right to do so I suppose. No one's time is too important to wait 30 seconds as a basic human courtesy. If you aren't able to show respect to another person then in my opinion you should not be interacting with them either.
Although I think unpausing has a strong correlation with morally deficit individuals I think the system is fine. In a mostly free world, if someone wants to sacrifice their dignity for a potential advantage in a video game, then I guess they have the right to do that.
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Pause system is fine. I don't think I've ever actually met someone who said no to a pause or unpaused the game on me though, that's extremely BM.
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I never unpause a game if the player provides an explanation, like "1 sec phone".
If someone pauses during a team game during an attack or 1-2 seconds in the game, i usually unpause since they dont say anything.
In 1v1 i never unpause unless the person i play against seems like a jerk; cheesing or being bm.
if you are polite, I will be polite and wait during the pause.
Simple!
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On November 14 2010 07:42 Elbee wrote:
Pause system is fine. I don't think I've ever actually met someone who said no to a pause or unpaused the game on me though, that's extremely BM.
What about when you are on the other side of things? I had one dude pause a game, I waited for over 5 minutes, then unpaused, and the dude was right there and ready to play again (he reacted immediately to my reason to unpause). I bit too convenient.
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