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On November 11 2010 17:07 ParasitJonte wrote:
You're question is not detailed enough.
It depends on what part of the game it is and what situation you're in.
If you're only harassing then of course storm drones...
If you're doing a big frontal attack, then perhaps it may be worth storming larvae... But I would still go for drones because that hinders production as well (he will have to make more drones after he has fended off your attack).
Agreed with this post. Most of the time its better to target his drones, though in few situations it may be better to target his larva.
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Why not storm both? - The larva aint going anywhere
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i would go for the larvae since you can only kill a few drones with storm vs any competent zerg player, since the radius is so small it takes half a second to rescue all the drones.
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A drone is one larva anyway, and there will always be more more drones than larva at a hatch so silly question.
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Always, no matter what, target drones.
You guarantee economic damage, and by killing drones, he will have to replace them, using larvae, which is not an attacking unit.
So in effect, you are doing economic damage AND limiting his larvae usage.
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I guess you should storm both depending on how many larvae there are at the hatcheries and drones at mineral lines.
Killing larvae are like disabling construction facilities for other races so storming larvae in late game could really help cripple the Zerg's macro.
If i saw 10+ larvae at a hatchery i'd storm em instead of drones in a 20+ minute game as it would mean the Zerg would have a harder time rebuilding their army.
If you dropped a templar at each hatchery of the Zerg's then stormed all their larvae, you'd have a perfect window of attack as they wouldn't have anything to rebuild with.
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If you're doing storm drops, make sure you load HTs with some energy built up. I usually go with HTs that have enough for 2 storms each. Make sure to blacket as large a surface area as possible. I see alot of people stack storms on top of each other like that does something. That way you can catch more drones trying to run away as well as any larvae in the vicinity. If i have some energy left over, i feedback the resident queen and then make my escape.
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always drones.
they cost mins, they mine mins and the Z needs larva to replace them.
larva+50mins+mining time >>>> larva
ya maybe in that odd game where both are maxed with 7k/5k in the bank you might get a bigger advantage by killing all larva but thats the super rare exception and he might still reinforce with 15 ultras or broodlords which are very larva efficient
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I guess larva storming could work in late game when zerg is maxed and storing the larva for quick recovery. Do some storming and pick the fight right after.
Otherwise it's probably better to just fry the drones as long as you can get a decent storm on them.
Of course a true storming mastermind would bring a sentry and FF guide the fleeing drones right over the larvas and storm.
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On November 11 2010 18:13 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 17:43 TheRabidDeer wrote:
To all the people saying SC2 storms suck:
Did you know that SC2 storm deals damage faster than BW?
BW storm is 112 damage in 8 ticks of damage at 14 per tick (basically 14 damage/second)
SC2 storm is 80 damage in 4 seconds (or 20 damage/second)
It does less damage overall, so you need to cast it more... but it deals that damage much faster. If you can afford the templar its better than the BW version for mineral lines (though its smaller radius makes it arguable if its better/worse against armies). the radius of storm in sc2 is less than half what it was in brood war you tried hitting mutas with storm nowdays?
You see socke v sen at mlg? (day[9] #212)
To the OP: generally I would think drones are better, because they also have to waste another larvae cycle to re-build said drones. It is kinda context specific though, if they're just about to morph 20 ultralisks in the lategame, you wanna go for the larvae.
Shouldn't this be in the strat section too?
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Oh sorry I must have misclicked what section I wanted it to be in D:
Its so silly I was even reading the guidelines while I was posting this thread.
Interesting most people think I should just storm the drones, only one guy even says to get extra storms to kill the larvae.
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Well if you are a high level diamond like myself, and int he case you do storm my larva. I would instantly turn them into an egg rendering you're storm useless. But i would recommend it to lower level playing and depending if they have a lot of larva or a lot of drones.
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Jezus... Again crying how UP HT and Protoss drops are ... Sure let's get back reavers and old storms, but other races will need old siege tanks, vultures, goliaths, lurkers, scourge and defilers back too. And I imagine now how many " Why protoss is doing so bad at SC2" threads would pop out after that.
I would like to use my Hammerdin at sc2, the good old mineral line hammer drops...
This is not the same game, stop comparing SC:BW and SC2.
And for topic : Priority is drones, if you have enough energy - both. I think you could take two HT with energy enough for two storms and one for one storm ( or just warp it in). Four storms takes whole minerals line, and one storm can kill all his hatchery larva.
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On November 12 2010 03:07 Huragius wrote:
Jezus... Again crying how UP HT and Protoss drops are ... Sure let's get back reavers and old storms, but other races will need old siege tanks, vultures, goliaths, lurkers, scourge and defilers back too. And I imagine now how many " Why protoss is doing so bad at SC2" threads would pop out after that.
The answer is none.
Congratulations you have won the dumbest post of the day award. If SCII was BW'd in units and tech styles Protoss would be overjoyed as it now has AA units, Harassment options and the ability to scout. I'd love for Terran to have vultures if it removed vikings, vultures did not counter every air unit like vikings currently do.
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Depends. If they larvae are 8 ultras, you might want to storm those. 
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On November 12 2010 03:16 Chronicle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 03:07 Huragius wrote:
Jezus... Again crying how UP HT and Protoss drops are ... Sure let's get back reavers and old storms, but other races will need old siege tanks, vultures, goliaths, lurkers, scourge and defilers back too. And I imagine now how many " Why protoss is doing so bad at SC2" threads would pop out after that.
The answer is none. Congratulations you have won the dumbest post of the day award. If SCII was BW'd in units and tech styles Protoss would be overjoyed as it now has AA units, Harassment options and the ability to scout. I'd love for Terran to have vultures if it removed vikings, vultures did not counter every air unit like vikings currently do.
You again. Will you actually stop crying at get better at game at all ? Are you in platinum or what ? Congratulations for being fucked up player in PvT. If you think that all can a protoss do in PvT is survive, then learn to play. I would love to have mech play in SC2, but I don't and all this retarded "if I had X unit, Y (mine) race wouldn't be UP" shit makes my eyes bleed. You are just a typical b.net forum protoss, who has NO IDEA how TvP works at high level of play.
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On November 12 2010 03:23 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 03:16 Chronicle wrote:On November 12 2010 03:07 Huragius wrote:
Jezus... Again crying how UP HT and Protoss drops are ... Sure let's get back reavers and old storms, but other races will need old siege tanks, vultures, goliaths, lurkers, scourge and defilers back too. And I imagine now how many " Why protoss is doing so bad at SC2" threads would pop out after that.
The answer is none. Congratulations you have won the dumbest post of the day award. If SCII was BW'd in units and tech styles Protoss would be overjoyed as it now has AA units, Harassment options and the ability to scout. I'd love for Terran to have vultures if it removed vikings, vultures did not counter every air unit like vikings currently do. You again. Will you actually stop crying at get better at game at all ? Are you in platinum or what ? Congratulations for being fucked up player in PvT. If you think that all can a protoss do in PvT is survive, then learn to play. I would love to have mech play in SC2, but I don't and all this retarded "if I had X unit, Y (mine) race wouldn't be UP" shit makes my eyes bleed. You are just a typical b.net forum protoss, who has NO IDEA how TvP works at high level of play.
Ah Terran tears, how I have missed them. Scared of loosing their easymode to Protoss now after loosing it against Zerg. Newsflash kid, High level TvP is the following
Gateway
Robo
If you don't die then
Templar
In that Order, every game, every matchup. Anything else is unsafe. See any and ALL of the Protoss tournament games recently vs Terran. The times the terran lost is when they are trying to counter the Robo tech they are expecting from the Protoss so it does not die when if they stuck to their guns the Terran would of won, and easily.
Also kiddo you started the whole If X had Y then Z would still cry crap, not me. I merely quoted you on it and laughed at your stupidity.
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This has pimpest play written all over it.
Late game, when both players are maxed, storm drop 3+ expansions killing all the larva, then trading armies and out producing the zerg.
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On November 12 2010 04:13 Chronicle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 03:23 Huragius wrote:On November 12 2010 03:16 Chronicle wrote:On November 12 2010 03:07 Huragius wrote:
Jezus... Again crying how UP HT and Protoss drops are ... Sure let's get back reavers and old storms, but other races will need old siege tanks, vultures, goliaths, lurkers, scourge and defilers back too. And I imagine now how many " Why protoss is doing so bad at SC2" threads would pop out after that.
The answer is none. Congratulations you have won the dumbest post of the day award. If SCII was BW'd in units and tech styles Protoss would be overjoyed as it now has AA units, Harassment options and the ability to scout. I'd love for Terran to have vultures if it removed vikings, vultures did not counter every air unit like vikings currently do. You again. Will you actually stop crying at get better at game at all ? Are you in platinum or what ? Congratulations for being fucked up player in PvT. If you think that all can a protoss do in PvT is survive, then learn to play. I would love to have mech play in SC2, but I don't and all this retarded "if I had X unit, Y (mine) race wouldn't be UP" shit makes my eyes bleed. You are just a typical b.net forum protoss, who has NO IDEA how TvP works at high level of play. Ah Terran tears, how I have missed them. Scared of loosing their easymode to Protoss now after loosing it against Zerg. Newsflash kid, High level TvP is the following Gateway Robo If you don't die then Templar In that Order, every game, every matchup. Anything else is unsafe. See any and ALL of the Protoss tournament games recently vs Terran. The times the terran lost is when they are trying to counter the Robo tech they are expecting from the Protoss so it does not die when if they stuck to their guns the Terran would of won, and easily. Also kiddo you started the whole If X had Y then Z would still cry crap, not me. I merely quoted you on it and laughed at your stupidity.
Wait, aren't you the one who cries about HT drops and reaver-must-come-back ? Because it's obviously you.I am currently fine with the game and I'm trying to improve my late game TvP by using PainUser builds. And after reading your first two sentences, I understood that you are a MORON and A NOOB.. No point to argue narrow-minded ragging silver league protoss.
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Larvae cost time and energy
Drones cost time larvae (therefore more time and energy) and minerals.
Kill the drones.
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