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GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
November 03 2010 22:31 GMT
#21
I have been meaning to test this with dropships. Imagine loading up all your allies hydras into your medivacs!
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Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
November 03 2010 22:32 GMT
#22
On November 04 2010 07:27 zere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 07:19 Befree wrote:
I don't know if this seems as odd as that, but you can also inject larvae into your teammate's hatchery I noticed. I guess it opens up the possibility of helping a teammate recover.

Wonder what other weird ally things are out there.



Hmm.... is it possible to chronoboost a, let's say, Larva Inject? Banshee Cloak? Lair tech?
Stupid question, but maybe... :D


It used to be. Though in the beta they changed it to not make rush tactics even stronger just because you had a protoss partner.
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 22:34:02
November 03 2010 22:33 GMT
#23
On November 04 2010 07:27 zere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 07:19 Befree wrote:
I don't know if this seems as odd as that, but you can also inject larvae into your teammate's hatchery I noticed. I guess it opens up the possibility of helping a teammate recover.

Wonder what other weird ally things are out there.



Hmm.... is it possible to chronoboost a, let's say, Larva Inject? Banshee Cloak? Lair tech?
Stupid question, but maybe... :D
It was possible to chronoboost teammates buildings during the beta, but it was imba or something so they removed it

Edit: Damnit I got beaten
really?
pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
November 03 2010 22:34 GMT
#24
i really wish more features like this were added to 2v2. Protoss sharing pylon energy, protoss being able to build on ally creep, chronoboosting ally, Nydus ally troops, transport units picking up ally units. Stuff like that.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
November 03 2010 22:37 GMT
#25
I might start building assimilator when my ally is Zerg... saving a drone is huge!
My strategy is to fork people.
Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
November 03 2010 22:40 GMT
#26
Wouldn't it be WAY more effective to just mine both yourself and send him half your gas?
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MalVortex
Profile Joined May 2010
United States119 Posts
November 03 2010 22:46 GMT
#27
The only use would be for your partner to make both your gases for you, saving the player 150 minerals, which may allow for slightly faster tech to 2 port banshees or something. There really isn't much use for this, given that every race can take their gas very easily. Protoss would be the best partner, as they could start the assimilator and then leave, without tying up an otherwise useful scv/drone.
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
November 03 2010 22:46 GMT
#28
haha, I'm not too good at German but I had to laugh at Menumlaut.
granted, it probably came from German to English rather than the other way around, but it's still pretty funny.
Cyclon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States99 Posts
November 03 2010 22:51 GMT
#29
Clearly this makes protoss an imbalanced race in team matches. Dunno how this game has survived so long with such glaring exploits still unpatched.
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 22:54:36
November 03 2010 22:54 GMT
#30
On November 04 2010 07:51 Cyclon wrote:
Clearly this makes protoss an imbalanced race in team matches. Dunno how this game has survived so long with such glaring exploits still unpatched.


Agreed. Should not have told the community of this exploit as now it will be over abused. 2v2's will go to shit now. Nerf P!

wait what?

anyway - cool! ^^
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 03 2010 23:01 GMT
#31
now just wait to see Blizzard patch this out because it wasn't intended ;l glad they weren't so zealous when muta stacking, vulture patrol micro and hold lurkers were discovered in BW.
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meffo
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden109 Posts
November 03 2010 23:06 GMT
#32
On November 04 2010 06:43 brainpower wrote:
I can't really think of a reason that terran would make a refinery then. Extractors are the cheapest to build (1 supply=1/8th of an overlord not needed=12.5 less cost), a assimilators don't require the extra mining time.


drones are also 50 minerals, so an extractor is actually 75, just like an assimilator or a refinery. drones also takes time to build. assimilators are easily the best option since the probe can just go back to mining. even if you do start off with six drones, you will need them. refineries are not that bad, either, at least the scv will mine gas once he's done constructing. effectively communicating with your partner when you need that gas and him transferring control to you is not really worth it, imo.

this is really not an issue, though. if it makes any difference to gameplay, it will be miniscule to say the least. gas mechanics seems very well balanced.

2v2 is all the rage now, apparently. -_-
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DaemonX
Profile Joined September 2010
545 Posts
November 04 2010 00:33 GMT
#33
On November 04 2010 08:06 meffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 06:43 brainpower wrote:
I can't really think of a reason that terran would make a refinery then. Extractors are the cheapest to build (1 supply=1/8th of an overlord not needed=12.5 less cost), a assimilators don't require the extra mining time.


drones are also 50 minerals, so an extractor is actually 75, just like an assimilator or a refinery. drones also takes time to build. assimilators are easily the best option since the probe can just go back to mining. even if you do start off with six drones, you will need them. refineries are not that bad, either, at least the scv will mine gas once he's done constructing. effectively communicating with your partner when you need that gas and him transferring control to you is not really worth it, imo.

this is really not an issue, though. if it makes any difference to gameplay, it will be miniscule to say the least. gas mechanics seems very well balanced.

2v2 is all the rage now, apparently. -_-

You missed his point.
He is aware the total cost is equal, but an extractor is still theoretically cheaper since the drone loss is equal to 1/8 of an overlord, or 12.5 minerals.

However, extractors are worth 1 larva as well, which arguably is worth a lot more than 12.5 minerals.
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
November 04 2010 00:38 GMT
#34
Assimilators also have more health than refineries/extractors so Assimilator is really the best choice in any XP team.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 00:43:11
November 04 2010 00:39 GMT
#35
I find this to be an incredibly good surprising find. Well done.

EDIT: Shut up Robbie!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 04 2010 00:40 GMT
#36
I don't think that it really matters, nor is it that useful
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Galaxy77
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hong Kong256 Posts
November 04 2010 00:41 GMT
#37
I wonder if you could 6 pool, have your ally build gas on your gas immediately and get a baneling nest out as the pool spawns.. could be nice if your opponent is Zerg.
FakeDouble
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia676 Posts
November 04 2010 00:42 GMT
#38
I guess this helps teams where one player accidentally stole an extractor from their team... it happens

on a related note, I had a 4v4 where an ally was scouting me... >.<
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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
November 04 2010 00:45 GMT
#39
On November 04 2010 09:33 DaemonX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 08:06 meffo wrote:
On November 04 2010 06:43 brainpower wrote:
I can't really think of a reason that terran would make a refinery then. Extractors are the cheapest to build (1 supply=1/8th of an overlord not needed=12.5 less cost), a assimilators don't require the extra mining time.


drones are also 50 minerals, so an extractor is actually 75, just like an assimilator or a refinery. drones also takes time to build. assimilators are easily the best option since the probe can just go back to mining. even if you do start off with six drones, you will need them. refineries are not that bad, either, at least the scv will mine gas once he's done constructing. effectively communicating with your partner when you need that gas and him transferring control to you is not really worth it, imo.

this is really not an issue, though. if it makes any difference to gameplay, it will be miniscule to say the least. gas mechanics seems very well balanced.

2v2 is all the rage now, apparently. -_-

You missed his point.
He is aware the total cost is equal, but an extractor is still theoretically cheaper since the drone loss is equal to 1/8 of an overlord, or 12.5 minerals.

However, extractors are worth 1 larva as well, which arguably is worth a lot more than 12.5 minerals.

This is completely, there is no 12.5 minerals. Let's imagine you had the ability to un-train an scv and get 50 minerals at the end of building your refinery. Would you? Obviously not, so the cost of a larva is unquestionably worth more than the value in the temporarily available supply.
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AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
November 04 2010 00:46 GMT
#40
Build assimilators as they have the most hp and require no worker interaction! protoss ally imba
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