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treason
Germany72 Posts
we just played 2 2v2s vs a team, and we saw their P build an assimilator at the gas of the terran ally. The Terran could mine from that assimilator. In 2v2 as TZ, you can build an extractor for 25 mins (and 50 for the drone, but larva injection :D!), or build a assimilator for the zerg without losing the drone. Ah, you have to give "control" to your ally. Is that a bug or a feature? ![[image loading]](http://img683.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010110322165.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us | ||
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zylog
Canada943 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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deltamal
Canada23 Posts
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Lejving
Sweden82 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:32 blabber wrote: The only practical use I can see of this is for a Protoss player to build assimilators for their T or Z ally so they don't have to use a drone or waste scv mining time. Or let Zerg build one at like 17 food so you can start making queen at 16... like a permament extractor trick but your friend actually needs the extractor so you kinda give it to him heh :D Or protoss making them for Zerg/Terran so he deosn't need to lose a drone or lose mining time... | ||
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adi1133
Romania109 Posts
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brainpower
United States233 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Lots of little things you could do with this. Very cool. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:44 Ketara wrote: On shared bases like that you could do timing based stuff as well where a Zerg player gets 100 gas for Zergling speed, then stops gas and his Protoss ally starts long distance mining from the extractor to give him 3 gas to get his tech a little faster. Lots of little things you could do with this. Very cool. Why not just pass the resources through the share resource tab? | ||
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treason
Germany72 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:53 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Why not just pass the resources through the share resource tab? Its not possible within the first minutes | ||
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Arby3k
Canada90 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:53 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Why not just pass the resources through the share resource tab? The Long distance mining part begs the question of the share resources. But yea being able to build a quick gas for a team mate who can then concentrate on something else could be useful. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
Wonder what other weird ally things are out there. | ||
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
I'm more interested however on the queen inject. Could work on some sick muta builds. | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
On November 04 2010 07:19 Befree wrote: I don't know if this seems as odd as that, but you can also inject larvae into your teammate's hatchery I noticed. I guess it opens up the possibility of helping a teammate recover. Wonder what other weird ally things are out there. Hmm.... is it possible to chronoboost a, let's say, Larva Inject? Banshee Cloak? Lair tech? Stupid question, but maybe... :D | ||
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On November 04 2010 07:27 zere wrote: Hmm.... is it possible to chronoboost a, let's say, Larva Inject? Banshee Cloak? Lair tech? Stupid question, but maybe... :D It used to be. Though in the beta they changed it to not make rush tactics even stronger just because you had a protoss partner. | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
On November 04 2010 07:27 zere wrote: It was possible to chronoboost teammates buildings during the beta, but it was imba or something so they removed it Hmm.... is it possible to chronoboost a, let's say, Larva Inject? Banshee Cloak? Lair tech? Stupid question, but maybe... :D  Edit: Damnit I got beaten  | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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Lobber
Canada414 Posts
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MalVortex
United States119 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
granted, it probably came from German to English rather than the other way around, but it's still pretty funny. | ||
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Cyclon
United States99 Posts
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NeXiLe
Canada262 Posts
On November 04 2010 07:51 Cyclon wrote: Clearly this makes protoss an imbalanced race in team matches. Dunno how this game has survived so long with such glaring exploits still unpatched. Agreed. Should not have told the community of this exploit as now it will be over abused. 2v2's will go to shit now. Nerf P! wait what? anyway - cool! ^^ | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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meffo
Sweden109 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:43 brainpower wrote: I can't really think of a reason that terran would make a refinery then. Extractors are the cheapest to build (1 supply=1/8th of an overlord not needed=12.5 less cost), a assimilators don't require the extra mining time. drones are also 50 minerals, so an extractor is actually 75, just like an assimilator or a refinery. drones also takes time to build. assimilators are easily the best option since the probe can just go back to mining. even if you do start off with six drones, you will need them. refineries are not that bad, either, at least the scv will mine gas once he's done constructing. effectively communicating with your partner when you need that gas and him transferring control to you is not really worth it, imo. this is really not an issue, though. if it makes any difference to gameplay, it will be miniscule to say the least. gas mechanics seems very well balanced. 2v2 is all the rage now, apparently. -_- | ||
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DaemonX
545 Posts
On November 04 2010 08:06 meffo wrote: drones are also 50 minerals, so an extractor is actually 75, just like an assimilator or a refinery. drones also takes time to build. assimilators are easily the best option since the probe can just go back to mining. even if you do start off with six drones, you will need them. refineries are not that bad, either, at least the scv will mine gas once he's done constructing. effectively communicating with your partner when you need that gas and him transferring control to you is not really worth it, imo. this is really not an issue, though. if it makes any difference to gameplay, it will be miniscule to say the least. gas mechanics seems very well balanced. 2v2 is all the rage now, apparently. -_- You missed his point. He is aware the total cost is equal, but an extractor is still theoretically cheaper since the drone loss is equal to 1/8 of an overlord, or 12.5 minerals. However, extractors are worth 1 larva as well, which arguably is worth a lot more than 12.5 minerals. | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
EDIT: Shut up Robbie! | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Galaxy77
Hong Kong256 Posts
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FakeDouble
Australia676 Posts
on a related note, I had a 4v4 where an ally was scouting me... >.< | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On November 04 2010 09:33 DaemonX wrote: You missed his point. He is aware the total cost is equal, but an extractor is still theoretically cheaper since the drone loss is equal to 1/8 of an overlord, or 12.5 minerals. However, extractors are worth 1 larva as well, which arguably is worth a lot more than 12.5 minerals. This is completely, there is no 12.5 minerals. Let's imagine you had the ability to un-train an scv and get 50 minerals at the end of building your refinery. Would you? Obviously not, so the cost of a larva is unquestionably worth more than the value in the temporarily available supply. | ||
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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Allegria
Switzerland83 Posts
On November 04 2010 07:32 Chaosvuistje wrote: It used to be. Though in the beta they changed it to not make rush tactics even stronger just because you had a protoss partner. If your ally leaves, or if you NP a Probe and build Nexi, you can chrono anything, from spawn larvae to upgrades, in the Zerg arsenal =) | ||
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h2j
United States23 Posts
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:33 deltamal wrote: z can save drone and p build for it OO i want the 75 minerals i saved you up front | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
I dunno if you could tech to lair fast enough to get an overlord dropping. | ||
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Tyler918273
115 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
* for terran an scv builds the refinery Protoss should build every single extractor from now on theoretically. But you also have to give him money for it, and it only matters in the early game. | ||
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Cyclon
United States99 Posts
On November 04 2010 11:12 Ludwigvan wrote: * Zerg wastes a larva, the drone for the extractor takes time to build. * for terran an scv builds the refinery Protoss should build every single extractor from now on theoretically. But you also have to give him money for it, and it only matters in the early game. You also have to take into account lost mining time traveling between bases. If a probe takes 30s to travel back and forth then its effectively a net loss vs terran or zerg (assuming zerg could spare the larva). | ||
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bobartig
40 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:43 brainpower wrote: I can't really think of a reason that terran would make a refinery then. Extractors are the cheapest to build (1 supply=1/8th of an overlord not needed=12.5 less cost), a assimilators don't require the extra mining time. Extractors are ABSOLUTELY the most expensive gas structure to build by FAR. This statement indicates a fundamental misunderstanding on two key starcraft mechanics: Larva production, and Tempo. The freeing of supply is irrelevant, because you had to have the supply to build the drone to make the extractor. Imagine if Terran is at 17/18 supply, and to build a Refinery, they need to go to 18/18, but then it goes back to 17/18 once the building is made. Has this "reduced" the cost of their refinery? This is essentially how zerg works. You've already sunk the mineral into building the overlord that you need to support the drone that you eventually build into an extractor. You only get back something that you have already paid for up front. Assimilators don't cost 40s of mining time, true. They cost INFINITY mining time because you LOSE the drone. On November 04 2010 10:34 Fa1nT wrote: Extractors die without creep. No they don't. They are the only zerg structure that can subsist without it. You can put an extractor anywhere (on a vent) and it will be fine. [edit] whether a hatch can exist without creep is kind of a weird question, since they immediately produce a patch wherever you put one. | ||
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311311
10 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On November 04 2010 07:27 zere wrote: Hmm.... is it possible to chronoboost a, let's say, Larva Inject? Banshee Cloak? Lair tech? Stupid question, but maybe... :D In beta's first release you could chrono boost allied buildings, but everyone in 2v2 just played PT, had the terran reaper rush and chrono'd the reapers. It was extremely powerful, so Blizzard changed it so that you can no longer chrono boost allied buildings (I think this was in one of like the first 5 beta patches iirc) | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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