EPTAlso, sc2 is a dumbed down version of sc1 mechanically. This is basically fact, but it does not matter. What does matter is whether or not there is a skill level cap. In sc1, there basically isn't. There is always stuff you could be doing better and more of. In sc2, pros do not have perfect macro and what not, yet at least. There are some validish worries that in a couple years that may be the case and if that were to occur, I would deem sc2 as an esport a failure and I would probably at that point go back to playing bw on iccup. Until then though (assuming it does happen) there are always ways to improve.
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
Also, sc2 is a dumbed down version of sc1 mechanically. This is basically fact, but it does not matter. What does matter is whether or not there is a skill level cap. In sc1, there basically isn't. There is always stuff you could be doing better and more of. In sc2, pros do not have perfect macro and what not, yet at least. There are some validish worries that in a couple years that may be the case and if that were to occur, I would deem sc2 as an esport a failure and I would probably at that point go back to playing bw on iccup. Until then though (assuming it does happen) there are always ways to improve. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 17:01 ejac wrote: Heh, to each his own but there are a couple things I don't quite understand. This guy (in all likelihood) played sc1 1.0 and was competitive player back then. The "balance" of sc1 1.0, was infinitesimally worse than sc2 in it's current state. He should understand that a game is not typically perfect out of the box. Also, sc2 is a dumbed down version of sc1 mechanically. This is basically fact, but it does not matter. What does matter is whether or not there is a skill level cap. In sc1, there basically isn't. There is always stuff you could be doing better and more of. In sc2, pros do not have perfect macro and what not, yet at least. There are some validish worries that in a couple years that may be the case and if that were to occur, I would deem sc2 as an esport a failure and I would probably at that point go back to playing bw on iccup. Until then though (assuming it does happen) there are always ways to improve. are you trolling, or you really mean what you wrote? | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
I played him a couple times and saw a replay vs socke or something. He's still a SCV beast but PF suit his style ridiculously well. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On October 06 2010 16:57 standalone wrote: It saddens me that most people opt to criticize his credentials (or lack of in SC2). His credentials are probably superior to everyone who has questioned his SC2 performance in this thread. Perhaps you should question his arguments instead. Argue your point of view if you disagree. Basically this. The game is most certainly enjoyable, but a large part of what he says is correct. And knowing his playstyle, I can understand that this game isn't the most fun for him. There's not that much room for crazy innovatism. It's closer to WC3 than we are willing to admit. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:02 Geo.Rion wrote: this thread makes me sad. AN old BW pro like NTT quits and most of the thread is about newbies saying who cares, nobody knows him anyways. I wasnt a fan of him or anything, but still, he quits, and half of the comments have LOL in it + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 17:01 ejac wrote: Heh, to each his own but there are a couple things I don't quite understand. This guy (in all likelihood) played sc1 1.0 and was competitive player back then. The "balance" of sc1 1.0, was infinitesimally worse than sc2 in it's current state. He should understand that a game is not typically perfect out of the box. Also, sc2 is a dumbed down version of sc1 mechanically. This is basically fact, but it does not matter. What does matter is whether or not there is a skill level cap. In sc1, there basically isn't. There is always stuff you could be doing better and more of. In sc2, pros do not have perfect macro and what not, yet at least. There are some validish worries that in a couple years that may be the case and if that were to occur, I would deem sc2 as an esport a failure and I would probably at that point go back to playing bw on iccup. Until then though (assuming it does happen) there are always ways to improve. are you trolling, or you really mean what you wrote? Because if he had done a more humble gracious way of quitting rather than "THIS GAME IS FER NOOBIES IM BETAR THAN ALL OF YOU" maybe we would have some sympathy or be interested in him as a person. As far as the newer players are concerned he is just another elitist asshole who can't control his emotions and thinks he is better than everyone and thinks that SC2 is fer teh nubeis. | ||
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IrVeNoJu
Poland61 Posts
Game is trash compared to BW | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:07 Beyonder wrote: This thread is disgusting. Not because it is posted, I want to read this news, but the reactions are sad. Be happy there is someone with an opinion and be happy you can discuss it. Basically this. The game is most certainly enjoyable, but a large part of what he says is right. And knowing his playstyle, I can understand that this game isn't the most fun for him. There's not that much room for crazy innovatism. It's closer to WC3 than we are willing to admit. Well proxies are still viable and can lead into an economic advantage. Fast expanding, one basing, all-ins, cheese, etc.. are still in the game and are viable even at the highest levels of play. At the GSL the zerg who won the tournament beat a protoss on Kulas ravine with a freagin 6 pool on cross positions. You can't tell me that doesn't resemble BW pro scene at all, already. The diversity of builds that Fruit Dealer showed, and considering that half of those builds he hadn't even really practiced yet (the nydus cheese anyone?) but they were still potent. The game is just starting. Just because YOU can't think fo things, doesn't mean it's not possible and the future of the game is bleak or something. Just because there isn't a 14 CC on the current map pool possible doesn't mean it won't be possible eventually, somewhere, or something the equivalent of it, because ya know the mineral timing is different, and there are 2 gases. It's a different game, with a different feel, but it's not "hopeless" or stupid or anything. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
 If you're wondering "who is he" then you should probably do your homework - the op wouldn't make a topic about a nobody. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:07 Beyonder wrote: This thread is disgusting. Not because it is posted, I want to read this news, but the reactions are sad. Be happy there is someone with an opinion and be happy you can discuss it. Basically this. The game is most certainly enjoyable, but a large part of what he says is correct. And knowing his playstyle, I can understand that this game isn't the most fun for him. There's not that much room for crazy innovatism. It's closer to WC3 than we are willing to admit. "Noobs won't understand my issues with the game because they're noobs, c'est la vie." Be happy that someone call you a noob for playing a game you like? I don't mind his opinion, he is maybe correct in some points, but there are ways to say things. | ||
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Maggeus
France277 Posts
I'm seeing SC2 as a bowl where a little bit of BW is put, then a huge portion of War3 and new-genre-RTS games. Can't say I don't frankly like it, but it's his decision. Perhaps he did the right choice (for him), perhaps not. I'd prefer see him quit SC2 than entering into a SC2-related-depression. Let's not forget SC2 have just begun to be interesting, in fact. | ||
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m3ss
Hungary28 Posts
its exactly the opposite he is implying he says the game is noob friendly, build order orientated, thus every tournament is prolly gonna be win by a different player, with no dominant players we shall see after a few seasons of gsl | ||
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MacroNcheesE
United States508 Posts
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On October 06 2010 15:50 SonuvBob wrote: I bet it's really about the lower SCV health. <3 | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
See F1 is still F1 after 40 years, but the advance of technology has made it change DRAMATICALLY, SC2 is the same way. BW would have been the same had the engine granted it the ability to be played like that. But it didn't. Arguing that performing menial tasks better than someone else makes the game better, is like saying that this basketball is harder to bounce than this one, so the NBA should use the one that's harder to bounce! | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
Seeing him rage quit sc2 makes me sad a bit =[ | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
Please close the thread. User was warned for this post | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:16 Maggeus wrote: I think he's mainly nostalgic of BW and its elitist players, but I can't disagree with him at all. I'm seeing SC2 as a bowl where a little bit of BW is put, then a huge portion of War3 and new-genre-RTS games. My opinion : if the game was just BW with better graphics there will be no reason to make it. But then again its not a reason not to balance it and to make good maps and good mechanics. Blizzard will eventually fix all those points, I hope. | ||
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