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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
Yes, Starcraft 2 is easier to play, there are perhaps a few striking imbalances, but they're hilariously small compared to the balance of 1.0 Starcraft. It just sounds like he's sad that your average joe can compete a lot more easily. And what does he mean 'gimmicks'? Are spells all of a sudden gimmicks now? | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
edit: But i think he's wrong | ||
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Snippa-
United States98 Posts
However, though I may have heard of him (and obviously forgot)... I think I would take these posts alot more seriously if they came from someone like Grrrr, Boxer, Tsunami, Maynard, ElKy, Bluewolf, FroZ!, or Dreame. But even then, I personally love Starcraft 2, and would likely ignore what they said. This is not Starcraft/Broodwar. Don't expect it to be. If anyone doesn't like the game, they can feel free to quit. Just don't go calling a game trash that thousands upon thousands of people waited many years for and actually find it quite enjoyable. Even with the flaws in the game, it is still extremely competitive and there is a hell of alot of room for creative play as there was in Broodwar. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:16 m3ss wrote: why are u guys saying he should not complain about the game being easy koz he hasn't won any tourneys its exactly the opposite he is implying he says the game is noob friendly, build order orientated, thus every tournament is prolly gonna be win by a different player, with no dominant players we shall see after a few seasons of gsl After being involved with another largely competitive gaming scene, Super Smash Brothers (about 3 players have madea bout 50,000+ off of it, it's pretty big, don't argue this with me), they were saying the same thing about Brawl when it came out. A few years later, there are about 2-3 players (Mew2King, DEHF, and Ally) that win pretty much every tournament they go to. The Super Smash 64 people were saying that Melee would be like that (since this guy Isai dominated forever in Super Smash 64 by outpracticing everyone), then Ken came along and dominated for 3 years, Mew2king and a few others for a year, and then Mango forever more till today still. User was warned for this post | ||
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standalone
Norway73 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:19 Shrewmy wrote: Why should the fact that he enjoyed some form of success in BW somehow make his opinion any better than my own of the game? The "argument" initially presented by some in this thread was "He has had no success in SC2 and therefore his opinion is invalid". I would say that generally, your opinion is valid based on the actual validity of your opinion and not your achievements. But in some cases achievements may indicate that you know what you are talking about, and that could very well be the case here. I know nothing of this player myself, but from what I have read in this thread, he seems to have had pretty good knowlegde of BW and to have been a pretty good player. To me, that gives his opinion more weight than say, someone I have never heard of. Especially if I don't know about the subject and am thus unable to verify the validity of an opinion by myself. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
The only god of gaming that dominates no matter what is Daigo in street fighter. Every other champ just has their days of glory. The biggest equivalent is probably nada. Who nows how it will end up./ | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Ret had similar opinions of SC2 for instance, but he seems to be playing now. But then again, SC2 is still young. Who knows what 2 expansions can turn it into. | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
BW fans need to QQ, if you don't like SC2 there's nothing stopping you from playing BW. What makes me cranky about the quote in the OP is that NTT is complaining about SC2 being noob friendly. Last I checked there weren't any noobs in the GSL... Besides, if the difference between Jaedong and Zergbong is how quickly they got their drones to the minerals or clicked through their hatcheries, then skill at BW wouldn't exactly be compelling to watch, would it? Of course we all know that that isn't the case. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Last I checked there weren't any noobs in the GSL... Honestly the level of play from GSL all the way ro8 was often exceptionally poor. Look at Cools "clutch comebacks". The level of play was so bad people felt the psychological need to rationalize that it was staged. | ||
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Angry_Fetus
Canada444 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
People shouldn't really argue things like "if the game is so easy why don't you go win a bunch of tournaments", because if it's actually not fun for him to play, then it's not even worth it. Honestly I wish more people would speak out like this rather than being content with how the game is. I see way too many people who try to argue to the death when anyone tries to say that SC2 isn't fun or is a bad game, and it gets pretty old. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:21 Snippa- wrote: Being an oldschool bw player... having watched MANY pro's replays, I did not recognize the name NTT, however after just doing a search through my old replays, it appears I do have 2 of his. However, though I may have heard of him (and obviously forgot)... I think I would take these posts alot more seriously if they came from someone like Grrrr, Boxer, Tsunami, Maynard, ElKy, Bluewolf, FroZ!, or Dreame. But even then, I personally love Starcraft 2, and would likely ignore what they said. This is not Starcraft/Broodwar. Don't expect it to be. If anyone doesn't like the game, they can feel free to quit. Just don't go calling a game trash that thousands upon thousands of people waited many years for and actually find it quite enjoyable. Even with the flaws in the game, it is still extremely competitive and there is a hell of alot of room for creative play as there was in Broodwar. Ehh, NTT was way more famous than Dreame, probably more famous than Tsunami and bluewolf as well. Anyhow, he seems kinda bitter which is too bad. | ||
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ExaltedOne
Netherlands8 Posts
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Cashout
115 Posts
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On October 06 2010 17:25 adeezy wrote: Lol. not going to lie... brawl was a horrible game. most people agree with that one. And Mango has a special touch The only god of gaming that dominates no matter what is Daigo in street fighter. Every other champ just has their days of glory. The biggest equivalent is probably nada. Who nows how it will end up./ Well I got warned for being "pompous and arrogant", which is what I accused NTT of, so I'm sure someone likes him and decided to be smart with me. Regardless, I didn't see how I was being arrogant, I was just pointing out the simple fact that this same "the new game in the series is doomed" argument is well pretty much played out. Every single competitive gaming community has said this forever, and big name doom sayers like NTT himself, have been wrong. Brawl is a horrible game in your opinion, but there are more people attending tournaments for it, and it's featured in MLG, and it's doing quite well competitively. The consensus at certain websites is that it is a bad game, but the tournament attendance numbers when compared to it's predecessor prove otherwise. The situation is quite comparable to Starcraft 2 that's why I bring it up, and not because of an attempt to derail the topic. As far as Street Fighter, Daigo was dramatically dominant in only Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo and SSF3rd Alpha Strike. There are a whole slew of players that were dominant in the some odd 10 other games in the series of Street Fighter at many different times. There are American players who have beaten Daigo, and a lot of Japanese players who have beaten Daigo at national tourneys. He is far from the level of a Boxer, Nada, or Flash in achievements. Doomsayers such as NTT are to be taken with a grain of salt. It's not like just because he says it's horrible, it actually is horrible. His arguments are that there is no diversity in the game, that is wrong. He played Terran which has at least 10 openings for every race, that are all pretty viable, and can lead in to many different unit comps and play styles. Protoss is the same, just a little less diversity, and thanks to players like Fruit Dealer we are seeing zerg can play viably in many different build orders and styles. It's not as much a roll of the dice as he is suggesting, and if he wants to make a statement like that he should have proven it. The starcraft community demands a lot of proof behind claims of things being overpowered, inbalanced, so why hasn't he provided it to back up his points? He claimed like I said that SC2 dumbs down the game. He hasn't demonstrated that. When things are automated (like his F1 example where they have paddle shifters now, which significantly changes the level of technical skill required, that I mentioned earlier) it just means that the already present level of someones technical abilities will be divided elsewhere. Now things like unit control will actually be pretty high level, controlling multiple groups is still important, good positioning, all of that. He is just plain wrong in saying the game is less technical, and plenty of big names here have openly laughed at him pompously and arrogantly (heh) in this very thread for being a person who just spammed out bunkers and planetary fortresses. I haven't researched this to find out if it is true or not, but I am working off his claim that there is no diversity in this game. If it's not proven to be true, it is currently false until proven otherwise. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4461 Posts
On October 06 2010 16:22 adeezy wrote: I have full faith in blizzard that by the end of the 2nd expansion most of these problems will be addressed in some form. However not everyone will be pleased lol. well he complained about MBS , i doubt they will be fixing that in the expansion or in any future fixes the issues he are talking about are what he sees as fundamental flaws , they won't be changed in the future | ||
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