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standalone
Norway73 Posts
On October 06 2010 18:17 Half wrote: Like Phasing? Like Mineral Boosting? Like Infestor Burrow Casting? You either think the game is going to change over time, or you think that it won't. I think that it will. What do you think? | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
Why do people feel it is their duty to defend every decision Blizzard has made when they have honestly made some very poor ones game design wise. This thread isn't really the place to discuss it but can anyone honestly argue that units like Marauders or Thors (just as 2 examples) lead to fun and exciting gameplay? NTT is a good guy, he is obviously just pissed at how SC2 turned out after BW was such a great game - he obviously loves Starcraft. I am in a similar boat (though not quite as pissed) but I still hope Blizzard will make improvements to some of the uninteresting game mechanics they introduced in Starcraft 2. I love the Starcraft series but Starcraft 2 just doesn't quite live up to the Starcraft name. Yet. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On October 06 2010 18:17 Half wrote: Like Phasing? Like Mineral Boosting? Like Infestor Burrow Casting? THIS!!!!! i believe blizzards attitude to removing these "bugs" rather then leaving them in is what in the long run will kill sc2. for example instead of removing fazing, why not slightly reduce void rays uncharged damage and keep it in. that way you can see clutch battles that the pros can pull off that if done well enough can pull games around. it wasnt gamebreaking at all. it just allowed for top level players to use to turn battles around. mineral boosting. it never was an issue, no one ever lost games because their opponent used it and they didnt. honestly no reason to remove it. or at least put it into the low priority basket (along with balancing zerg *wink* infestor burrow casting as well. its SOO apm intensive that it would be great for top level play to see it being pulled off to turn games around. BUT NO some scrub winge'd along with all their low level friends on the bnet forums and got their way. every time these nifty little features pops up it gets removed right away. imagine BW without muta stacking, vulture patrol micro, valkryie patrol micro and such. these small little ai "bugs: made the game what it was. and blizzard is removing them left right and centre, which eventually will kill sc2. | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
On October 06 2010 18:24 4Servy wrote: The game might change, but what wont change I think is that it seems impossible to execute solid managment styles and 70% of top level play atm is really decided by luck such as dumb allin builds, lucky drops/pushes and idiotic spawn positions. Yep, it's obvious that FruitDealer lucked is way through the GSL and allin'd his way to the championship title. Honestly, the "whole game is based on luck and build guessing" argument is getting pretty tired, there's a fair bit of evidence out there that this isn't the case, at least no more so than in BW. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On October 06 2010 15:50 SonuvBob wrote: I bet it's really about the lower SCV health. Rofl so true <3 Tbh just give it more time. I don't understand why he's bitching about mbs because tbh even though it has been waaaaaaaay easier for terran than in sc1 it's still an rts. What i don't really like are the hardcounters. I just hope blizz will nerf a little bit all of this and make some units worthwile to play throughout the entire game (hello glings becoming useless past t2 ? Even t3 with adrenal isn't enough except for backstabing, but that's about it) but hey i'm talking about balances issues which has been already talked thousand times. I guess i could have said the same about sc1 being easy to play since i could easily f2 f3 f4 all my bases whereas it's a little too far for sc2 with f5 f6 f7 f8 ? What i'm saying is, we need to be purely objective and see sc2 with an other perspective. Sure the game is easy to train but i still believe it'll be hard to master. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
From what I recall, he's always been like that! :D | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 06 2010 18:28 TyrantPotato wrote: THIS!!!!! i believe blizzards attitude to removing these "bugs" rather then leaving them in is what in the long run will kill sc2. for example instead of removing fazing, why not slightly reduce void rays uncharged damage and keep it in. that way you can see clutch battles that the pros can pull off that if done well enough can pull games around. it wasnt gamebreaking at all. it just allowed for top level players to use to turn battles around. mineral boosting. it never was an issue, no one ever lost games because their opponent used it and they didnt. honestly no reason to remove it. or at least put it into the low priority basket (along with balancing zerg *wink* infestor burrow casting as well. its SOO apm intensive that it would be great for top level play to see it being pulled off to turn games around. BUT NO some scrub winge'd along with all their low level friends on the bnet forums and got their way. every time these nifty little features pops up it gets removed right away. imagine BW without muta stacking, vulture patrol micro, valkryie patrol micro and such. these small little ai "bugs: made the game what it was. and blizzard is removing them left right and centre, which eventually will kill sc2. Fazing obviously did way too much damage, something had to change. Mineral boosting, I agree, didn't really serve a purpose to begin with. Burrowed casting was NOT APM intensive. All it took was a simple queue of 2 or 3 clicks. Unburrowing to cast it takes 2 clicks and you CAN'T queue it, that's just as impressive. If you liked that you'll love it when Terrans figure out how to have flying planetary fortresses. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
There is always going to be BW, that won't change. I still find SC2 interesting. I have the pleasure of watching some really good players, along with playing in some games myself... so far that tells me that skill and awareness are still the #1 determinants of game outcome. While secondary factors may be more substantial than in BW, its still a good game in my opinion. | ||
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Tef
Sweden443 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Pioneer
994 Posts
Anyway, the people that have 0 idea who he is and are going whatever, NTT was one of the better BW players from his era and it would be a real shame if he quit because he probably could have brought a lot to the game. | ||
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lastreason
Romania250 Posts
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Cashout
115 Posts
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Perscienter
957 Posts
On October 06 2010 18:23 taintmachine wrote: i don't get NTT's comments about randomly chosen build orders winning games. the game is new and ppl are still bringing out different BOs, even if they're only slightly altered. also balance changes are going to change build orders, even if not immediately. what is "standard" seems to change in varying degrees every couple of months, and ladder play is going to seem rly random of course since i assume even top tier diamond players decide to try different stuff quite often. I play hellion drop, he has void rays. I play void rays, he massed marines. I opt 3 gate, stargate, he went 4 gate all-in. I go 15 hatch, he went off rax reaper. Such situations often occur. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
If you would compare it to, say, Baneling carpet bombing, which does require a bit of skill and game sense to pull off, yet requires the same amount of clicks, possibly less. The thing is, we're in 2010. Gaming should have evolved to a state such that the base mechanics of the game should be extremely easy to do. However, I should say that all the other mechanics should be tweaked so that it does require more APM/decisions/reactions in other areas. Basically, all other races should have something similar to creep spread, a mechanic that we don't see as much in lower level tiers but is absolutely necessary in higher tiers. | ||
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OnFire
324 Posts
Ooh look, I told my drone to go mine, ohh snap, he's gonna run 15 laps around the base before he starts. "Sup, im a bw player, im better then you cuz i mastered the worst ai in the history of videogames." | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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