On October 07 2010 07:57 FatHuntresS wrote: didnt read all the replies but what NTT said was spot on and true.
when i was playing war3 its all about micro and skills. in sc2 , its not.. its cheese, you cant scout fast enough because maps are too small and its too imbalance, so its just like rock paper scissor ( random bo.. like lucky draw) and A ground to win seriously..
WC3 for me had the same drawbacks as what you say for SC2.
Originally the game had insane gimmicks and cheeses, christ for the first 6 months of the game it was referred to as castercraft, where mass healing/bloodlust etc were popular strats because blizz didn't have the foresight to lower casting units damage.
After that you had no tourney wins by anything but NE because offensive Ancient of War rushes were far far too powerful.
Following that in TFT some people managed to make their way to the top of the ladder with BM being the ONLY hero of choice because of his insane ability to fast creep to 6.
Don't come on here comparing a 9 year old game to a 2 month old one. One of the main reasons I quit WC3 was because of the awful gimmick strats and cheese, to me it was the complete opposite of BW.
However that being said, the game was patched through the years, the nerfbat was swung, some things were buffed and what resulted was a fairly balanced game (although I've heard that UD has been hurting for some time now). The same will happen in SC2, the game is barely 2 months old and we have YET to see a really large balance patch, blizz is just trying a few things here and there.
Compared to WC3/TFT at the 2 month mark, this game is far more about skill and far more balanced than WC3 could have hoped for during it's early days.
sadly, as bad as this game is... it's still the only one out there. i cant even play sc1 anymore since all the channels are empty and got no friends online. i believe this is happening for most of the w3 players. some other game must replace sc2 asap or most of the rts standards will change to a retarded level
I don't understand why people even bother calling NTT a troll or spit on him. Obviously he didn't start this thread on TL.net. He is simply saying his opinion of the game on the B.nets forums with a QQ rant, one of many.
And honestly, NTT is right in everything he said in every single post and all those subjects were debated to death in the beta. Either you like the stuff he listed, which is legitimate, and you play the game or you don't like the shit he listed... And then you can decide if you want to continue to play or quit. He decided to quit obviously and I who agrees with him decided to accept the game for what it is and continue to play.
But the game has turned out to be quite short lived for me too mainly because Battle.net 2.0 is such a boring "client" to play on. There is simply not a fun way to play SC2 as a traditional ladder climber/PGT whore like me. And even when trying the casual approach i feel b.net 2.0 is unsatisfying with 0 options for casual plays. It's only the ladder - and the ladder is boring.
Ah well, starting to derail a bit. But thats just my 2 cents!
On October 07 2010 07:57 FatHuntresS wrote: didnt read all the replies but what NTT said was spot on and true.
when i was playing war3 its all about micro and skills. in sc2 , its not.. its cheese, you cant scout fast enough because maps are too small and its too imbalance, so its just like rock paper scissor ( random bo.. like lucky draw) and A ground to win seriously..
WC3 for me had the same drawbacks as what you say for SC2.
Originally the game had insane gimmicks and cheeses, christ for the first 6 months of the game it was referred to as castercraft, where mass healing/bloodlust etc were popular strats because blizz didn't have the foresight to lower casting units damage.
After that you had no tourney wins by anything but NE because offensive Ancient of War rushes were far far too powerful.
Following that in TFT some people managed to make their way to the top of the ladder with BM being the ONLY hero of choice because of his insane ability to fast creep to 6.
Don't come on here comparing a 9 year old game to a 2 month old one. One of the main reasons I quit WC3 was because of the awful gimmick strats and cheese, to me it was the complete opposite of BW.
However that being said, the game was patched through the years, the nerfbat was swung, some things were buffed and what resulted was a fairly balanced game (although I've heard that UD has been hurting for some time now). The same will happen in SC2, the game is barely 2 months old and we have YET to see a really large balance patch, blizz is just trying a few things here and there.
Compared to WC3/TFT at the 2 month mark, this game is far more about skill and far more balanced than WC3 could have hoped for during it's early days.
/endrant
I vouch for this. War3 in 2002-03, including 1.05 was castercraft and Ancient of Wars + the occasional tower rushes. And it actually got worse and worse. It took the people a while to realize the power of that crap, took 2-3 months or so :D. My AoW rushes were so sweet. Also, this didn't get fixed until TFT by redoing all damage types and armor types (including the ones for unrooted buildings). If my memory serves me right some tournaments even banned AoW rushing.
All of the grandfathers complaining about SC2 is laughable. No one will miss you. SC2 is dynamic and a great deal of fun to play. It is also an engaging spectator vehicle and thus a perfect choice for the emerging esports culture.
I loved BW too. But those days are over -- embrace the bright future (or leave and quit whining).
On October 21 2010 07:52 IPA wrote: All of the grandfathers complaining about SC2 is laughable. No one will miss you. SC2 is dynamic and a great deal of fun to play. It is also an engaging spectator vehicle and thus a perfect choice for the emerging esports culture.
I loved BW too. But those days are over -- embrace the bright future (or leave and quit whining).
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I don't agree that it is laughable. A lot of us old timers waited for this game a long time. We had high expectations and it's fully legitimate to be disappointed and reject this game. But it is true what you are saying - maybe it is so that many of us are to old to enjoy this game in the same manner we enjoyed SC/BW back in 98 which was the benchmark for this game. I'm 27 now (15 when SC came) and you might be right if we oldies stfu about the old times and old games :D They are still here if we want to play em.
On October 21 2010 07:18 tehsex wrote: sadly, as good as this game is... it's still the only one out there. i cant even play sc1 anymore since all the channels are empty and got no friends online. i believe this is happening for most of the w3 players. some other game must replace sc2 asap or most of the rts standards will change to a retarded level
How is it not understandable why people are calling him a troll? It doesn't matter what he did, and it doesn't matter who he was. If he writes posts like that - if Boxer or Flash or whoever writes posts like that - I would call him a troll. These are blatantly trolling posts. Even if God himself wrote the same in bright fiery letters in the sky it is still trolling, and I think that it's unacceptable for someone who seems to want the high ground.
Oh I love this kind of drama, what I love more is seeing old-school kali players <3. Wondering when Thor, Aquanda, Maven come back and we all log back on back @ katan's lair, maven's haven or tao-of-gaming. Shit I even miss X_mage_X.
I've just been reading his post history on the b-net forums. The guy is brilliant :D. Almost all his posts are great fun to read. Its rants, qq:s, taunts and some insightful posts in between.
Listen Dimaga, you invested all your efforts into learning zerg when they were BROKEN BEYOND BELIEF. Now that the game has evolved you feel the need to make a PUBLIC STATEMENT ABOUT SWITCHING? Hypocritical drama queen.
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